by Splinter » Thu Jan 27, 2011 3:06 pm
by Half Back » Thu Jan 27, 2011 3:09 pm
by BIG RED DELICIOUS 2 » Thu Jan 27, 2011 3:17 pm
Splinter wrote:I have just caught wind that four SFL clubs have gone to the SFL requesting additional APPS (player points) for the coming season and proceeding seasons. As we are all aware the current allocation is 15 points per team. One of the clubs in question has requested an additional 18 points, which would take their total points to 33!!!!
From what I have gathered, two of the clubs have been at the bottom of the ladder for a long time, and although they have put a lot of work into their juniors, they have been unable to win games at senior level and feel they need the extra points to become competitive.
The other two clubs (one of which have asked for the additional 18 points) I believe are known for the big spending and poor player retention. These two clubs believe the deserve the extra points due to the number of players who have left their club over the off season.
I was of the understanding that the top clubs would have less points than the lower clubs but that 15 was the maximum, i.e. Reynella won the flag last season so may only get 11 points this year. Is this in place?
I am all for the two very low sides to be given some advantage to become competitive again, but the other two in my opinion only have themselves to blame - they have paid their below par players far too much for far too long and now it is biting them in the a$$ because the players they have recruited have walked out. Maybe it is time for these two team to spend some time at the bottome and learn that success comes from building your juniors and a strong club culture that players want to stick around for.
You also have to think of the other teams hovering around the 8 who are doing the right thing and building most of their sides from their juniors. If these other clubs get the extra points, let's say the 33, and have no salary cap, they could potentially recruit 11 guns, that's half a team. so you would think this would make them more than competitive and put them right inside the 8.
Has anyone else got any info on this? and if so, are the SFL seriously considering it???
by Snaparazzi » Thu Jan 27, 2011 4:00 pm
Splinter wrote:I have just caught wind that four SFL clubs have gone to the SFL requesting additional APPS (player points) for the coming season and proceeding seasons. As we are all aware the current allocation is 15 points per team. One of the clubs in question has requested an additional 18 points, which would take their total points to 33!!!!
From what I have gathered, two of the clubs have been at the bottom of the ladder for a long time, and although they have put a lot of work into their juniors, they have been unable to win games at senior level and feel they need the extra points to become competitive.
The other two clubs (one of which have asked for the additional 18 points) I believe are known for the big spending and poor player retention. These two clubs believe the deserve the extra points due to the number of players who have left their club over the off season.
I was of the understanding that the top clubs would have less points than the lower clubs but that 15 was the maximum, i.e. Reynella won the flag last season so may only get 11 points this year. Is this in place?
I am all for the two very low sides to be given some advantage to become competitive again, but the other two in my opinion only have themselves to blame - they have paid their below par players far too much for far too long and now it is biting them in the a$$ because the players they have recruited have walked out. Maybe it is time for these two team to spend some time at the bottome and learn that success comes from building your juniors and a strong club culture that players want to stick around for.
You also have to think of the other teams hovering around the 8 who are doing the right thing and building most of their sides from their juniors. If these other clubs get the extra points, let's say the 33, and have no salary cap, they could potentially recruit 11 guns, that's half a team. so you would think this would make them more than competitive and put them right inside the 8.
Has anyone else got any info on this? and if so, are the SFL seriously considering it???
by Splinter » Thu Jan 27, 2011 4:07 pm
Snaparazzi wrote:Splinter wrote:I have just caught wind that four SFL clubs have gone to the SFL requesting additional APPS (player points) for the coming season and proceeding seasons. As we are all aware the current allocation is 15 points per team. One of the clubs in question has requested an additional 18 points, which would take their total points to 33!!!!
From what I have gathered, two of the clubs have been at the bottom of the ladder for a long time, and although they have put a lot of work into their juniors, they have been unable to win games at senior level and feel they need the extra points to become competitive.
The other two clubs (one of which have asked for the additional 18 points) I believe are known for the big spending and poor player retention. These two clubs believe the deserve the extra points due to the number of players who have left their club over the off season.
I was of the understanding that the top clubs would have less points than the lower clubs but that 15 was the maximum, i.e. Reynella won the flag last season so may only get 11 points this year. Is this in place?
I am all for the two very low sides to be given some advantage to become competitive again, but the other two in my opinion only have themselves to blame - they have paid their below par players far too much for far too long and now it is biting them in the a$$ because the players they have recruited have walked out. Maybe it is time for these two team to spend some time at the bottome and learn that success comes from building your juniors and a strong club culture that players want to stick around for.
You also have to think of the other teams hovering around the 8 who are doing the right thing and building most of their sides from their juniors. If these other clubs get the extra points, let's say the 33, and have no salary cap, they could potentially recruit 11 guns, that's half a team. so you would think this would make them more than competitive and put them right inside the 8.
Has anyone else got any info on this? and if so, are the SFL seriously considering it???
Name them! I can hazard a guess at Aldinga and possibly Marion, maybe Morphie Parks/Lonsdale? Am i close?
by watchdog » Thu Jan 27, 2011 4:09 pm
Snaparazzi wrote:Splinter wrote:I have just caught wind that four SFL clubs have gone to the SFL requesting additional APPS (player points) for the coming season and proceeding seasons. As we are all aware the current allocation is 15 points per team. One of the clubs in question has requested an additional 18 points, which would take their total points to 33!!!!
From what I have gathered, two of the clubs have been at the bottom of the ladder for a long time, and although they have put a lot of work into their juniors, they have been unable to win games at senior level and feel they need the extra points to become competitive.
The other two clubs (one of which have asked for the additional 18 points) I believe are known for the big spending and poor player retention. These two clubs believe the deserve the extra points due to the number of players who have left their club over the off season.
I was of the understanding that the top clubs would have less points than the lower clubs but that 15 was the maximum, i.e. Reynella won the flag last season so may only get 11 points this year. Is this in place?
I am all for the two very low sides to be given some advantage to become competitive again, but the other two in my opinion only have themselves to blame - they have paid their below par players far too much for far too long and now it is biting them in the a$$ because the players they have recruited have walked out. Maybe it is time for these two team to spend some time at the bottome and learn that success comes from building your juniors and a strong club culture that players want to stick around for.
You also have to think of the other teams hovering around the 8 who are doing the right thing and building most of their sides from their juniors. If these other clubs get the extra points, let's say the 33, and have no salary cap, they could potentially recruit 11 guns, that's half a team. so you would think this would make them more than competitive and put them right inside the 8.
Has anyone else got any info on this? and if so, are the SFL seriously considering it???
Name them! I can hazard a guess at Aldinga and possibly Marion, maybe Morphie Parks/Lonsdale? Am i close?
by Snaparazzi » Thu Jan 27, 2011 4:20 pm
watchdog wrote:Snaparazzi wrote:Splinter wrote:I have just caught wind that four SFL clubs have gone to the SFL requesting additional APPS (player points) for the coming season and proceeding seasons. As we are all aware the current allocation is 15 points per team. One of the clubs in question has requested an additional 18 points, which would take their total points to 33!!!!
From what I have gathered, two of the clubs have been at the bottom of the ladder for a long time, and although they have put a lot of work into their juniors, they have been unable to win games at senior level and feel they need the extra points to become competitive.
The other two clubs (one of which have asked for the additional 18 points) I believe are known for the big spending and poor player retention. These two clubs believe the deserve the extra points due to the number of players who have left their club over the off season.
I was of the understanding that the top clubs would have less points than the lower clubs but that 15 was the maximum, i.e. Reynella won the flag last season so may only get 11 points this year. Is this in place?
I am all for the two very low sides to be given some advantage to become competitive again, but the other two in my opinion only have themselves to blame - they have paid their below par players far too much for far too long and now it is biting them in the a$$ because the players they have recruited have walked out. Maybe it is time for these two team to spend some time at the bottome and learn that success comes from building your juniors and a strong club culture that players want to stick around for.
You also have to think of the other teams hovering around the 8 who are doing the right thing and building most of their sides from their juniors. If these other clubs get the extra points, let's say the 33, and have no salary cap, they could potentially recruit 11 guns, that's half a team. so you would think this would make them more than competitive and put them right inside the 8.
Has anyone else got any info on this? and if so, are the SFL seriously considering it???
Name them! I can hazard a guess at Aldinga and possibly Marion, maybe Morphie Parks/Lonsdale? Am i close?
I have also heard a rumour that at least 2 of them clubs have been granted approval for those points by the SFL and now are awaiting approval by a higher authority possibly the CFL
by RFC 2010 » Thu Jan 27, 2011 5:01 pm
by Leo » Thu Jan 27, 2011 6:24 pm
by vics01 » Thu Jan 27, 2011 10:15 pm
RFC2010
That will open up a can of worms if it goes through, something needs to be done with Aldinga and Hackham, seeing as 2 divs seems to be out of the equation, however if the likes of the Rams and Roos who have been finalists over the last few years are granted these approvals then you might as well throw the points system out the window. Will be interesting to hear the outcome I am certain that Morphy Parks have been approved to receive additional points. Not sure how many though.
Don't be surprised if MP surge back up the ladder this year with extra points on board, along with big Seb and some of his mates who were elswehere last year
by Dazza44 » Fri Jan 28, 2011 2:23 am
Splinter wrote:I have just caught wind that four SFL clubs have gone to the SFL requesting additional APPS (player points) for the coming season and proceeding seasons. As we are all aware the current allocation is 15 points per team. One of the clubs in question has requested an additional 18 points, which would take their total points to 33!!!!
From what I have gathered, two of the clubs have been at the bottom of the ladder for a long time, and although they have put a lot of work into their juniors, they have been unable to win games at senior level and feel they need the extra points to become competitive.
The other two clubs (one of which have asked for the additional 18 points) I believe are known for the big spending and poor player retention. These two clubs believe the deserve the extra points due to the number of players who have left their club over the off season.
I was of the understanding that the top clubs would have less points than the lower clubs but that 15 was the maximum, i.e. Reynella won the flag last season so may only get 11 points this year. Is this in place?
I am all for the two very low sides to be given some advantage to become competitive again, but the other two in my opinion only have themselves to blame - they have paid their below par players far too much for far too long and now it is biting them in the a$$ because the players they have recruited have walked out. Maybe it is time for these two team to spend some time at the bottome and learn that success comes from building your juniors and a strong club culture that players want to stick around for.
You also have to think of the other teams hovering around the 8 who are doing the right thing and building most of their sides from their juniors. If these other clubs get the extra points, let's say the 33, and have no salary cap, they could potentially recruit 11 guns, that's half a team. so you would think this would make them more than competitive and put them right inside the 8.
Has anyone else got any info on this? and if so, are the SFL seriously considering it???
by MR JUICY » Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:35 am
by Bag The Points » Fri Jan 28, 2011 8:59 am
by Splinter » Fri Jan 28, 2011 9:57 am
by watchdog » Fri Jan 28, 2011 11:02 am
Splinter wrote:Yep, looks like the SFL are all for granting these requests. Below is the email from the SFL to all other clubs:
Hackham FC have requested an additional 12 points in 2011, making it 27pts, reducing to 23 in 2012, 19 in 2013, and 15 in 2014.
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Aldinga FC - 2010 OUTS 19 Players transferred out of the club, of which 12 of those players were A Grade players, with average of 30 games these players had played for Aldinga FC The remainder were 6 junior & 1 B grade players.
Aldinga FC have now an opportunity to begin to become a competitive club in A grade however without the support with APPS extra points this club could still quite easily fold, this in itself would be a travesty of injustice to the Aldinga local area, to the Southern Football League and the SA Community Football League.
The Aldinga FC is requesting an additional 12 points above the 15 points allowable, and the Southern Football League Board of Directors support their case as they have also mapped out where they are likely to be with the APPS in 2011, 2012 and 2013.
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Marion FC - Marion FC application for additional APPS for season 2011 under exceptional circumstances due to the decimating loss of players from their A grade side at this stage 19 players, as listed on Marion FC letter.
Marion FC has struggled in fielding their B grade & A Grade side during 2010, in particular bringing back some retired 35 year olds for their B grade side to ensure they did not forfeit games during the 2010 season.
Further conversations with Steve Winter President Marion FC and Steve Keam Senior Coach, the Marion FC have requested an additional 18 points above the normal 15 points allocation, this may seem extremely high, but the fact is they have lost a full A grade side, and that their B grade side has been thin on the ground in 2010 and with no immediate relief from promoting under 18 players, it is essential for this club to survive for the additional points to be granted. The Marion FC in using the additional points would be looking to recruit 11 players at 3 points per player and to recruit a further 15 players at zero points, of which 4 to 5 of those players with zero points would be basically recruited to bolster the B grade side. The Directors believe that Marion FC is at the crossroads within their club, and its is quite possible that their senior sides could fold if not given the opportunity in being granted the additional 18 points.
The Marion FC have stated that in being granted the additional 18 points, they will in 2012 have the overall points reduced by (6) to 27, 2013 reduced by a further (6) to 21, and in 2014 have the points reduced back to the maximum of 15 points, this then leaves some leeway for injuries and small loss of players through natural attrition over the years from 2012 to 2014.
The SFL Board of Directors fully support Marion FC application due to exceptional circumstances for additional 18 points, and believe that their plan to reduce the points back to maximum allowed for the 2014 season, and that they are willing to continue work under the guidance of Steven Keam, that in particular their junior players and structure are developed to ensure the flow through to Senior ranks for the longevity of their club.
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Morphettville Park[b][/b] - OUTS 21, transfer in 2010 INS 27 and OUTS 19, this strongly displays the inability to hold recruits, factor in natural attrition with players being injured and retiring from the game, this is where Morphettville Park FC have been fully aware that this trend cannot continue some years ago and had worked strongly with the League to ensure with a long term plan to grow their junior ranks to support their senior in the long term.
The Southern Football League fully support[b] the application for exceptional circumstances of an additional 12 points and request the SA Community League support the application from Morphettville Park FC for the additional 12 points for 2011, reducing the additional points required to 9 in 2012, down to 6 additional points for the 2013 season, and 2014 the club would have reduced the requirement of additional points back to zero.. The SFL Directors believe that Morphettville Park FC are doing the extra yards to ensure their future and are not just asking for the additional points for the sake of such, and without the additional points the decline of this club will continue.
by Specky McGee » Fri Jan 28, 2011 11:08 am
by vics01 » Fri Jan 28, 2011 11:19 am
by shoe boy » Fri Jan 28, 2011 11:30 am
by Half Back » Fri Jan 28, 2011 11:46 am
shoe boy wrote:An absolute disgrace,I am with you specky.
This gets down to MANAGMENT! so make poor decisions and expect an advantage as has been posted! Let's look at M/Vale with injuries cutting short carriers and loss of players they also have a strong argument.
Where do we stop!!!
I have always argued WHY a salary cap WHY a points system as this option makes a farce of the so called decision makers!!!
by the veteran » Fri Jan 28, 2011 12:06 pm
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