Adelaide Plains Football League

[Mythical Creature]

Tips for the weekend
Mallala 1-39
Hamley 1-39
Balak 1-39

[UNDERthePACK]

Tips for the weekend
Virginia 1-39
Hamley 40+
Balak 40+

[Swamp Donkey]

Like it or not, the rules are clear cut. Your either 100% committed to playing or your in doubt with sickness/flu/injury thats how I see it. If you can't guarantee your fitness/health or committment on the Thursday of selection, then you can't possibly be 100% committed. There will always be unfortunate circumstances, but the rules are clear.

[OnSong]

Like it or not, the rules are clear cut. Your either 100% committed to playing or your in doubt with sickness/flu/injury thats how I see it. If you can't guarantee your fitness/health or committment on the Thursday of selection, then you can't possibly be 100% committed. There will always be unfortunate circumstances, but the rules are clear.

I don't for a second doubt the rules are clear, I think what people are saying is the rules suck. Lol
Not that I disagree with them, they seem to be working and the league's reputation will grow off the back of these association performances.
But I can certainly see the unfortunate situation for Lockwood, who rocked up to the initial training, while a majority in the squad didn't.
So what about the lads who didn't rock up to that, would you call them 100 per cent committed?

[OnSong]

Not playing this weekend SD?

[UNDERthePACK]

Like it or not, the rules are clear cut. Your either 100% committed to playing or your in doubt with sickness/flu/injury thats how I see it. If you can't guarantee your fitness/health or committment on the Thursday of selection, then you can't possibly be 100% committed. There will always be unfortunate circumstances, but the rules are clear.

I do understand where you are coming from Swamp but there needs to be a middle ground. I think the rules should be a little more flexible:

Unavailable due to injury - If a player misses the game prior to the Assoc match due to injury then he is deemed injured and is unavailable for selection with no suspension. If the player plays the game prior to the assoc game and injures himself in that game and then makes himself unavailble for the Assoc game he should automatic miss the next club game.

Unavailability due to illness - If a player misses days off from his employment due to illness / sickness / flu whatever and has medical certificate that he can supply then he should be alleviated from any suspension. If the Assoc still wants more proof then Players could also be required to get their work hierachy to confirm that they have had days off due to being sick. People can't help falling ill and to punish them for this is a little ridiculous.

Other Circumstances - Also the assoc should come up with a squad of 45 or so players that then have 48 hours to respond with their unavailabilty to play due to wedding / going away etc. Within this time Players would need to produce the wedding invitation, plane tickets or booking reservation receipts to confirm their unavailabilty. This can be done a couple of weeks prior to cutting the squad down for trainings. Players should have these things as proof of unavailability by then otherwise they are deemed available to play and if they don't play then a suspension is applied.

I think we need to try everything to get away from suspending players because yes it is great to win these types of comps but the assoc is getting a very bad rep outside of the Plains area due to some people making some stupid decissions.

[Mythical Creature]

Like it or not, the rules are clear cut. Your either 100% committed to playing or your in doubt with sickness/flu/injury thats how I see it. If you can't guarantee your fitness/health or committment on the Thursday of selection, then you can't possibly be 100% committed. There will always be unfortunate circumstances, but the rules are clear.

I do understand where you are coming from Swamp but there needs to be a middle ground. I think the rules should be a little more flexible:

Unavailable due to injury - If a player misses the game prior to the Assoc match due to injury then he is deemed injured and is unavailable for selection with no suspension. If the player plays the game prior to the assoc game and injures himself in that game and then makes himself unavailble for the Assoc game he should automatic miss the next club game.

Unavailability due to illness - If a player misses days off from his employment due to illness / sickness / flu whatever and has medical certificate that he can supply then he should be alleviated from any suspension. If the Assoc still wants more proof then Players could also be required to get their work hierachy to confirm that they have had days off due to being sick. People can't help falling ill and to punish them for this is a little ridiculous.

Other Circumstances - Also the assoc should come up with a squad of 45 or so players that then have 48 hours to respond with their unavailabilty to play due to wedding / going away etc. Within this time Players would need to produce the wedding invitation, plane tickets or booking reservation receipts to confirm their unavailabilty. This can be done a couple of weeks prior to cutting the squad down for trainings. Players should have these things as proof of unavailability by then otherwise they are deemed available to play and if they don't play then a suspension is applied.

I think we need to try everything to get away from suspending players because yes it is great to win these types of comps but the assoc is getting a very bad rep outside of the Plains area due to some people making some stupid decissions.

I can't find a smiley for you've hit the nail on the head, so I'll use this one instead

[Stewie Griffin]

Under the Pack, you seem to be a very knowledgable and articulate unit,
With your kind of nous you would probably slide into a coaching role very nicely.
Have you ever thought about it?
You would have to be better than some out there, I remember one bloke from Hamley a few years back
who's record was something like 3 wins 149 losses.
And he had the great Schluter medallist Craig Harvey at his disposal.
I reckon if you took the helm at any club you would be like Gordon Bombay from the Mighty Ducks.

[Swamp Donkey]

Like it or not, the rules are clear cut. Your either 100% committed to playing or your in doubt with sickness/flu/injury thats how I see it. If you can't guarantee your fitness/health or committment on the Thursday of selection, then you can't possibly be 100% committed. There will always be unfortunate circumstances, but the rules are clear.

I do understand where you are coming from Swamp but there needs to be a middle ground. I think the rules should be a little more flexible:

Unavailable due to injury - If a player misses the game prior to the Assoc match due to injury then he is deemed injured and is unavailable for selection with no suspension. If the player plays the game prior to the assoc game and injures himself in that game and then makes himself unavailble for the Assoc game he should automatic miss the next club game.

Unavailability due to illness - If a player misses days off from his employment due to illness / sickness / flu whatever and has medical certificate that he can supply then he should be alleviated from any suspension.

Other Circumstances - Also the assoc should come up with a squad of 45 or so players that then have 48 hours to respond with their unavailabilty to play due to wedding / going away etc.

I think we need to try everything to get away from suspending players because yes it is great to win these types of comps but the assoc is getting a very bad rep outside of the Plains area due to some people making some stupid decissions.

I totally agree with your first point UtP and I also partially agree with your other points, yet I think we all know that there are always players/clubs who try and exploit these rules, so by having a "middle gound" it opens itself for such players to do so.

The rules are very hard, but like I said we all know them. I think some of your ideas have merit and should be considered seriously but we just have to be super careful and articulate that the "middle ground" scenarios are policed consistently, or else we'd be dealing with a whole different can of worms this week. Healthy debate

[jumbo]

Like it or not, the rules are clear cut. Your either 100% committed to playing or your in doubt with sickness/flu/injury thats how I see it. If you can't guarantee your fitness/health or committment on the Thursday of selection, then you can't possibly be 100% committed. There will always be unfortunate circumstances, but the rules are clear.

Unless your reading from a different set of rules to me, I would say they are anything but clear and continue to be interpreted in an unfair manner.

If you believe the treatment handed is fair and equitable to the player, I hope you dont get sick next june.

[Swamp Donkey]

Like it or not, the rules are clear cut. Your either 100% committed to playing or your in doubt with sickness/flu/injury thats how I see it. If you can't guarantee your fitness/health or committment on the Thursday of selection, then you can't possibly be 100% committed. There will always be unfortunate circumstances, but the rules are clear.

Unless your reading from a different set of rules to me, I would say they are anything but clear and continue to be interpreted in an unfair manner.

If you believe the treatment handed is fair and equitable to the player, I hope you dont get sick next june.

Me too, but I know what will happen if I do.... I'll have plenty of time to get over it

[FrancisGilbertHamley]

I think it is pretty clear 90% of people think that these laws relating to suspension for injured and ill players sucks. It also sucks that there will always be players that are not really committed to playing association football...but are still selected anyway...and I am not saying any of the suspended players fit this mould.

Last night I had a chat with someone who has experience in coaching Association teams on one of the peninsulas... he gave some interesting insights and I think there are a few flaws in the APFL selection process as a whole...or some areas that could really be improved.

Firstly, what is stopping the association coach or assistants or anyone from calling every APFL team coach in the lead up to squad selection and saying g'day and asking a few questions? Given that the coaches of every team, are best placed to provide opinions on their own players and even opposition players!

Why not find out from the coaches........

Who do you think are your best 4 or 5 players?
What positions can/do they play?
Where do they play their best football?
Why do you feel the player deserves to play association football?
Do you think they will be 100% committed to playing association football?
Do they have any commitments that might make them unavailable for training or the game?

Heaven forbid, they may even want to have a chat to a couple of the players? I am sure the APFL can pay his phone bill for the month.

I know we want to pick the best and most talented team...but we also want a committed team. I think if the selection panel, coach and assistants were a little more proactive...we might be able to eliminate a lot of these issues that seem to arise every friggin year! It would not solve all the issues, and it may even create some new ones...but it I think it would help a lot.

What do you guys think?

[wangas#4]

Pies 1-39

Bombers 1-39

Peckers 40+

[Old Son]

Virginia 1-39
Hamley 1-39
Balak 40+

[Bob Loblaw]

Mallala 1-39
Hamley 1-39
Balaklava 40+

[norm11]

15 blokes didn't train the first night! The letter said it was two compulsory trainings. Three people got suspended and our bloke got suspended for not training. Had Wednesday and Thursday off work and didn't train Thursday night. Spoke to the coach Thursday night. Yes the rules are in place but we go through this every year. It is a ******* joke. The guys that run this association are just sitting back thinking they are king dick. Yes another email coming my way can't wait.

[mighty hounds]

15 blokes didn't train the first night! The letter said it was two compulsory trainings. Three people got suspended and our bloke got suspended for not training. Had Wednesday and Thursday off work and didn't train Thursday night. Spoke to the coach Thursday night. Yes the rules are in place but we go through this every year. It is a ******* joke. The guys that run this association are just sitting back thinking they are king dick. Yes another email coming my way can't wait.

You guys still named him. Maybe send them an email Norm and tell them there a joke.

[norm11]

15 blokes didn't train the first night! The letter said it was two compulsory trainings. Three people got suspended and our bloke got suspended for not training. Had Wednesday and Thursday off work and didn't train Thursday night. Spoke to the coach Thursday night. Yes the rules are in place but we go through this every year. It is a ******* joke. The guys that run this association are just sitting back thinking they are king dick. Yes another email coming my way can't wait.

You guys still named him. Maybe send them an email Norm and tell them there a joke.

Whoops. Sorry mate. Humzy named in the 2s so we are both prob making things up.

[mighty hounds]

15 blokes didn't train the first night! The letter said it was two compulsory trainings. Three people got suspended and our bloke got suspended for not training. Had Wednesday and Thursday off work and didn't train Thursday night. Spoke to the coach Thursday night. Yes the rules are in place but we go through this every year. It is a ******* joke. The guys that run this association are just sitting back thinking they are king dick. Yes another email coming my way can't wait.

You guys still named him. Maybe send them an email Norm and tell them there a joke.

Whoops. Sorry mate. Humzy named in the 2s so we are both prob making things up.

Why are we making things up? Humzy wasnt named at all last night.

[jumbo]

I think it is pretty clear 90% of people think that these laws relating to suspension for injured and ill players sucks. It also sucks that there will always be players that are not really committed to playing association football...but are still selected anyway...and I am not saying any of the suspended players fit this mould.

Last night I had a chat with someone who has experience in coaching Association teams on one of the peninsulas... he gave some interesting insights and I think there are a few flaws in the APFL selection process as a whole...or some areas that could really be improved.

Firstly, what is stopping the association coach or assistants or anyone from calling every APFL team coach in the lead up to squad selection and saying g'day and asking a few questions? Given that the coaches of every team, are best placed to provide opinions on their own players and even opposition players!

Why not find out from the coaches........

Who do you think are your best 4 or 5 players?
What positions can/do they play?
Where do they play their best football?
Why do you feel the player deserves to play association football?
Do you think they will be 100% committed to playing association football?
Do they have any commitments that might make them unavailable for training or the game?

Heaven forbid, they may even want to have a chat to a couple of the players? I am sure the APFL can pay his phone bill for the month.

I know we want to pick the best and most talented team...but we also want a committed team. I think if the selection panel, coach and assistants were a little more proactive...we might be able to eliminate a lot of these issues that seem to arise every friggin year! It would not solve all the issues, and it may even create some new ones...but it I think it would help a lot.

What do you guys think?

Lots of good ideas there fgh, I would expect assoc coaches to be looking for as much input as they can absorb. Information is power!

Something needs to be done, this is all dejavous.