Federal Government proposes a price on carbon.

[scoob]

One of the more negative effects of this carbon tax seems to have been ignored by most posters - I am beginning to worry for the wellbeing of our good mate R&B... Poor fella has gone non stop for the last week - including starting 4 varying threads... Hasn't Julia thought of old R&B???

Take a breath matey, try not to get to stressed about the situation - these things are mostly and ultimately out of our hands

Have a good weekend

[cripple]

Does seem to have been a mountain of replies for R&B to get through but it has been good to read his and everyone elses opinions on the matter, whether you agree with them or not. Has helped my learn a few new things this week.

[redandblack]

One of the more negative effects of this carbon tax seems to have been ignored by most posters - I am beginning to worry for the wellbeing of our good mate R&B... Poor fella has gone non stop for the last week - including starting 4 varying threads... Hasn't Julia thought of old R&B???

Take a breath matey, try not to get to stressed about the situation - these things are mostly and ultimately out of our hands

Have a good weekend

Thanks for your concern, scoob, but enough of the 'old' already

I'm loving it and feeling great (it takes my mind off Westies losing lately).

I agree with you and really appreciate the thoughts and comments of those who post sensibly on here, regardlessof political persuasion.


As for taking a breath, scooby, I joined on day one and I'm still on only 5,000+ posts.

Now, please excuse me while I go to my behavioural therapist

[fish]

One of the more negative effects of this carbon tax seems to have been ignored by most posters - I am beginning to worry for the wellbeing of our good mate R&B... Poor fella has gone non stop for the last week - including starting 4 varying threads... Hasn't Julia thought of old R&B???

Take a breath matey, try not to get to stressed about the situation - these things are mostly and ultimately out of our hands

Have a good weekend

Yeah I was thinking the same thing scoob.

Just remember redandblack the election is in around 2013 you can have a break after that!

[redandblack]

Harden up, fishy

Whoops, I mean harden up*, fishy

[fish]

Approximately 35% of the average Australian household’s carbon omissions come from driving a car so why has petrol been exempt from this carbon tax? If they are serious about cutting carbon why not put the tax on petrol and offer a rebate if you have a hybrid or other form of low omissions car. Maybe even electric cars but I guess oil companies contribute to much money to politics for that to ever happen. I don’t understand how a low income family with a late model V8 car not have to pay carbon tax but I have a low omission car and I do have to pay the tax. I think I already pay more than my share of taxes.
If carbon omissions and the environment is the real issue here why collect a carbon tax from everyone and then give it back to 90% of them. Any chance that the politicians and government departments could start driving hybrid cars or even car pool. Maybe catch a bus to parliament house?

I wonder what peoples reaction would be if the carbon tax was as simple as putting the GST up 2%. Wouldn’t that be a much fairer way to raise money for the environment?

TB I agree with you about the petrol but I reckon it's been excluded because it is already taxed pretty heavily and also to ease the transition to a low carbon economy. I would expect that it will not be excluded from a global emissions trading scheme when we finally get one.

As for just raising the GST by 2% I don't agree - the idea of the carbon tax is to add to the cost of carbon intensive activities thereby making then less competitive economically.

[fish]

One massive problem with all this, this tax will achieve, as an outcome... absolutely nothing!

Not so Ronnie - the tax and subsequent emissions trading scheme will see Australia's 2020 carbon emissions reduced by 5% from the level they were in 2000. This is the same target as the Coalitions "direct action" plan. Whilst 5% sounds like a pretty small target it is more significant when you consider that we are currently emitting over our 2000 levels so we have to bring them down to par and then down by another 5%. The carbon tax gets us started on that path and then the trading scheme ensures we meet it by restricting the amount of "permits to pollute carbon" that are issued - reducing the amount or permits issued each year so that we meet the 2020 target.

[redandblack]

Also from Laurie Oakes



Howard protested to a newspaper columnist about Gillard using his commitment to an emissions trading system before he lost office in 2007 to help justify her own scheme.

While conceding that he had promised to bring in an ETS by 2012, Howard claimed: "I indicated at the time that we would act in concert with the rest of the world and not ahead of it."

But what did Howard really say back then?

"Australia will continue to lead internationally on climate change, globally and in the Asia-Pacific region," he told a Liberal Party federal council meeting after unveiling his ETS blueprint.

"This will be a world-class emissions trading system more comprehensive, more rigorously grounded in economics, and with better governance than anything in Europe."

In an address to the Melbourne Press Club a month later, Howard said: "In the years to come it will provide a model for other nations to follow.

"Being among the first movers on carbon trading in this region will bring new opportunities and we intend to grasp them."

And there was this exchange at a news conference in the run-up to the election that saw him defeated by Kevin Rudd.

Journalist: Haven't you locked Australia into an emissions trading scheme in the next term?

Howard: Yes, I have.

Journalist: Regardless of what our trading competitors do?

Howard: Yes, but that is precisely the sort of contribution we should make.

So Howard - Honest John was his nickname, remember? - is trying to rewrite history.

[Sky Pilot]

According to the 'believers' the CO2 in air has
risen from .034% to .038% in air over the last
50 years.

To put the percentage of Carbon Dioxide in air in
a clearer perspective;

If you had a room 12 ft x 12 ft x 7 ft or 3.7 mtrs x
3.7 mtrs x 2.1 mtrs, the area carbon dioxide would
occupy in that room would be .25m x ..25m x ..17m
or the size of a large packet of cereal.

Australia emits 1% of the world's total carbon
Dioxide and the government wants to reduce
this by 20%t or reduce emissions by 0.2 % of
the world's total CO2 emissions.

What effect will this have on existing CO2 levels?

By their own figures they state the CO2 in air has
risen from .034% to .038% in 50 years.

Assuming this is correct, the world CO2 has increased in 50 years by ...004%.

Per year that is .004 divided by 50 = ...00008%. (Getting confusing -but stay with me).

Of that because we only contribute 1% our emissions would cause CO2 to rise .00008 divided by 100 = ..0000008%.

Of that 1%, we supposedly emit, the governments
wants to reduce it by 20% which is 1/5th of .0000008 = ..00000016% effect per year they would have on
the world CO2 emissions based on their own figures.

That would equate to an area in the same room, as
the size of a small pin.

For that they have gone crazy with the ridiculous trading schemes, Solar and Roofing Installations, Clean Coal Technology. Renewable Energy, etc, etc.

How ridiculous it that?

[Tassie Blues]

One of the more negative effects of this carbon tax seems to have been ignored by most posters - I am beginning to worry for the wellbeing of our good mate R&B... Poor fella has gone non stop for the last week - including starting 4 varying threads... Hasn't Julia thought of old R&B???

Take a breath matey, try not to get to stressed about the situation - these things are mostly and ultimately out of our hands

Have a good weekend

should be right next weel i belive he is joining the Juliar Gillard tour to sell this tax.

[Sky Pilot]

One of the more negative effects of this carbon tax seems to have been ignored by most posters - I am beginning to worry for the wellbeing of our good mate R&B... Poor fella has gone non stop for the last week - including starting 4 varying threads... Hasn't Julia thought of old R&B???

Take a breath matey, try not to get to stressed about the situation - these things are mostly and ultimately out of our hands

Have a good weekend

should be right next weel i belive he is joining the Juliar Gillard tour to sell this tax.

GOLD

[Sojourner]

What happened to "Grocery Watch"? My understanding was that the ALP were immediately going to take action to ensure that grocery prices would not keep on increasing, yet here we have the prices banged right up with the Carbon tax???

[Cambridge Clarrie]

What happened to "Grocery Watch"? My understanding was that the ALP were immediately going to take action to ensure that grocery prices would not keep on increasing, yet here we have the prices banged right up with the Carbon tax???

They really can't get a thing right, can they...?

It would be funny if it wasn't our money they were wasting...

[southee]

What happened to "Grocery Watch"? My understanding was that the ALP were immediately going to take action to ensure that grocery prices would not keep on increasing, yet here we have the prices banged right up with the Carbon tax???

They really can't get a thing right, can they...?

It would be funny if it wasn't our money they were wasting...

Can anyone tell me what result we got out of the 20/20 summit??? This is a serious question

I would love to know.....

[Gozu]

Did the Herald Sun publish a call to assassinate Julia Gillard?

http://blogs.crikey.com.au/purepoison/2 ... a-gillard/

[Sojourner]

What happened to "Grocery Watch"? My understanding was that the ALP were immediately going to take action to ensure that grocery prices would not keep on increasing, yet here we have the prices banged right up with the Carbon tax???

They really can't get a thing right, can they...?

It would be funny if it wasn't our money they were wasting...

It would be interesting to see what the increase has been in grocery prices since "Grocery Watch" was promised, I would suggest that it would be a pretty steep curve upwards. So much for all the promises on Grocery Prices then.....

[Gozu]

...milk and bread will always be cheaper under a Labor Government?

[mick]

Climate change is real, even if the rest of the world were to act tomorrow climate change still going to happen, the prudent thing to do would be to set up a fund and plan to adapt to that change.

[Tassie Blues]

What happened to "Grocery Watch"? My understanding was that the ALP were immediately going to take action to ensure that grocery prices would not keep on increasing, yet here we have the prices banged right up with the Carbon tax???

They really can't get a thing right, can they...?

It would be funny if it wasn't our money they were wasting...

Can anyone tell me what result we got out of the 20/20 summit??? This is a serious question

I would love to know.....

you will just have to wait untill 2020 to find out

[dedja]

According to the 'believers' the CO2 in air has
risen from .034% to .038% in air over the last
50 years.

To put the percentage of Carbon Dioxide in air in
a clearer perspective;

If you had a room 12 ft x 12 ft x 7 ft or 3.7 mtrs x
3.7 mtrs x 2.1 mtrs, the area carbon dioxide would
occupy in that room would be .25m x ..25m x ..17m
or the size of a large packet of cereal.

Australia emits 1% of the world's total carbon
Dioxide and the government wants to reduce
this by 20%t or reduce emissions by 0.2 % of
the world's total CO2 emissions.

What effect will this have on existing CO2 levels?

By their own figures they state the CO2 in air has
risen from .034% to .038% in 50 years.

Assuming this is correct, the world CO2 has increased in 50 years by ...004%.

Per year that is .004 divided by 50 = ...00008%. (Getting confusing -but stay with me).

Of that because we only contribute 1% our emissions would cause CO2 to rise .00008 divided by 100 = ..0000008%.

Of that 1%, we supposedly emit, the governments
wants to reduce it by 20% which is 1/5th of .0000008 = ..00000016% effect per year they would have on
the world CO2 emissions based on their own figures.

That would equate to an area in the same room, as
the size of a small pin.

For that they have gone crazy with the ridiculous trading schemes, Solar and Roofing Installations, Clean Coal Technology. Renewable Energy, etc, etc.

How ridiculous it that?

Doesn't prove or disprove anything ... try ingesting 0.027% of cyanide and you how you fare