1960's SANFL

[MagareyLegend]

NA
Won the GF , but how they performed b4 and after was interesting
7TH 1959
1ST 1960
5TH 1961


NA
12 played
6 wins
6 losses

North had been minor premiers in 1958 but had many injuries in the lead up to the final series. Many of these injuries carried on into 1959. North did play in another Grand Final in 1963.

I also have to question your stats on Grand Finals played. North had won 9 Grand Finals by 1960, they had won in 1900, 1902, 1905, 1920, 1930, 1931, 1949, 1952 and 1960

Thanks RIG.
Why do people persist in writing unadulterated crap without doing their homework AND it is not even in relation to mal's own club.
As I've said before some people just make things up I'm sure.
Like even if he was right - WHAT'S HIS POINT?

Some publications have Grand Final records dating back to starting in 1907[where I got the stats from]
If we count 1907-1960 then NA has won 6 Premierships
The South Australian Football Association was formed in 1877
They changed to the South Australian Football League in 1907


Finals were introduced in 1898 by the SAFA
Depending on where we trace Grand Finals from is where we can derive whether NA has 6 Premierships or 9 after the 1960 Premiership win

okay okay but mal what point are you making

North Adelaide have/have not done what?

[mal]

1960
Was a Centenary Year for North Adelaide ?
100 years old ?
North Division [NA] played South Division[ SA] in the North Parklands in May 1860 ?

WAH?
North started in 1893!
Like don't you read or listen?
So we (NAFC) only got it wrong by 33 years? Yeah right!

I did read, how else can anyone who was not alive at the time make judgement
I read this from a publication

1860 MARKS NORTHS HUMBLE BEGINNING
North Adelaide Football Club, together with South Adelaide and the Old Collegians Football Clubs, can trace its history back to 1860
On April 26 of that year a meeting called by Messrs J Acraman, W J Fullarton and R Cussen was held at the Globe Inn, Rundle Street and the Adelaide Football Club was a result if the gathering
Naturally as the only Australian football club in the colony, it was without competition.
As a result it formed into what was virtually an association of 3 divisions[later to be known as clubs]
These were South Division [players living south of the Torrens], North Division [players living North of the Torrens] and Collegians [past and present players of colleges and thier staff]
For 14 years North Division [North Adelaide Football Club] played some few score games against South Division [South Adelaide Football Club] the first of these games on the North Parklands in May 1860
They also played other clubs as they became established

Thats what I have read about a possible 1860 reference to North Adelaide
But I was not totally sure, as I have read that North Adelaide had started in 1893
I have read that Medindie changed its name to North Adelaide in 1893 ?
Hence the post that I made had 3 question marks

[Ian]

1960
Was a Centenary Year for North Adelaide ?
100 years old ?
North Division [NA] played South Division[ SA] in the North Parklands in May 1860 ?

from http://www.nafc.com.au/history/brief.aspx

The North Adelaide Football Club was born in 1893, when the Medindie Football Club, known as the "Dingoes", changed its name. This made North Adelaide the fourth-oldest, continuously-operating club in the SANFL competition.

The Medindie Football Club had joined the South Australian Football Association (now more commonly known as the South Australian National Football League) in 1888 and played in the Red and White colours which have continued on to this present day. Although there were numerous other clubs that used the name of "North Adelaide", none of them bore ties to the current club

[Psyber]

ALAN KILLIGREW
known as the hot gospeller
came from SK to coach NW in 1959
NW finished 6th in a 8 team comp in 1959[lost the first 5 games, and almost made the finals]
Killa wanted success at the Parade and embarked on a extensive recruiting campaign to recruit for the 1960 season
The recruits included, with games played
BOWE [74]
BRENCHLEY[30]
DELLAR [52]
FEEHAN[56]
GORDON[10]
STEPHENS [31]
others ?

I think Killa was also responsible for Norwood acquiring (temporarily) an incredible ruckman.
IIRC his name was Morrie Pope.

POPE M played 4 games in 1959
Pyber, did Pope make an incredible impression in his 4 games ?
What happened to him in 1960 ?

I saw all 4 matches.
He was incredibly hopeless and made a laughing stock of the club in his 4 games.
Killa had announced his recruitment as a major coup and there was much media interest, and therefore much embarrassment..

He was very tall, took a very long run up to the ruck contests, and usually got there too late or too soon.
He also couldn't bend over and pick up a loose ball.
He was never heard of again.

[McAlmanac]

I think Killa was also responsible for Norwood acquiring (temporarily) an incredible ruckman.
IIRC his name was Morrie Pope.

POPE M played 4 games in 1959
Pyber, did Pope make an incredible impression in his 4 games ?
What happened to him in 1960 ?

I saw all 4 matches.
He was incredibly hopeless and made a laughing stock of the club in his 4 games.
Killa had announced his recruitment as a major coup and there was much media interest, and therefore much embarrassment..

He was very tall, took a very long run up to the ruck contests, and usually got there too late or too soon.
He also couldn't bend over and pick up a loose ball.
He was never heard of again.

Morrie Pope actually played 7 games across three season from 1956-58 (even kicked a couple of goals in one match), so he must have shown something at Carlton! He was paired with a young John Nicholls in some of those games.

[robranisgod]

The recruits included, with games played
BRENCHLEY[30]

Peter Brenchley was an interesting recruit for Norwood in the 1960 season. He had played the previous three seasons with Melbourne. For Melbourne he played 29 games and played in two winning grand finals and the 1958 loss. I note that he played 30 games for Norwood. Did he play in the 1961 loss as well. If so it would have meant that he played 59 games and played in 5 Grand Finals. At Melbourne he only played in four losing games, given Norwood's relative success in 1960-61 he wouldn't have played in too many losses for Norwood either.

[Psyber]

The recruits included, with games played
BRENCHLEY[30]

Peter Brenchley was an interesting recruit for Norwood in the 1960 season. He had played the previous three seasons with Melbourne. For Melbourne he played 29 games and played in two winning grand finals and the 1958 loss. I note that he played 30 games for Norwood. Did he play in the 1961 loss as well. If so it would have meant that he played 59 games and played in 5 Grand Finals. At Melbourne he only played in four losing games, given Norwood's relative success in 1960-61 he wouldn't have played in too many losses for Norwood either.

I saw Brenchley play too. I noticed he was named as a forward in one of the old teams but I remember him as mainly on the wing or HBF.
He overtook "Chicken" Hayes as the fastest man with a "bunny chop" to an opponent's neck in the SANFL.
I wasn't fond of that.

[robranisgod]

Mal, I think that between us we have just about covered 1960 and the 1960 GF in particular. I think that it is time to move onto 1961, the year when the two main victims of Port's 6 in a row met in the Grand Final. Just before we leave 1960 my only comment would be how few household names played in the Grand Final. From North the Lindner brothers, Barbary and Hammond and perhaps Gilbourne would be the only names familiar to most SANFL supporters and from Norwood Wedding, Kneebone and Bunton purely as footballers. McMahon and Miller are well known for their other footballing and business exploits and Peter Aish mainly as the father of Michael and Andrew. John Lill is probably best known now from his MCG days.

My last question regarding Norwood was where was Brian Sawley. he must have been injured.

From North's point of view John Bubner, who actually played for the state, is Peter Bubner's father. It seemed every year in the mid 80s Peter Bubner was going to come to North but it didn't happen. Ray Trenorden who captained North in 1962 is the father of Simon who unluckily mossed North's 1991 premiership through an injury sustained in an early final.

[JK]

Peter Aish was a former State FB wasn't he? I reckon he would have been pretty well known to most of the era, and later (perhaps until Michael came along).

I know my old man has told me a squillion stories over the years about how good Peter was (or he thought he was).

Great job as always btw lads with these informative discussions

[redandblack]

Yes, Peter Aish was a very good, reliable full back in those years.

[robranisgod]

Peter Aish was a former State FB wasn't he? I reckon he would have been pretty well known to most of the era, and later (perhaps until Michael came along).

I know my old man has told me a squillion stories over the years about how good Peter was (or he thought he was).

Great job as always btw lads with these informative discussions

Peter Aish like his opposing captain Don Gilbourne was well known at the time. As I mentioned he played in 2 Grand Finals in a row without getting a goal kicked on him. I don't know whether he played state, remember John Abley had a mortgage on the state Full back at the time and I do know that Doug Thomas also played state as a full back during that era. By the time Abley retired Aish would have just about retired also.

[Psyber]

Peter Aish took over full back from Ron Reimann, and had played CHB before that, and very well too.
Ron Reimann went of to captain/coach South in 1958 - he was known as a very tight defender too, and had a very long kick from full back.

[Adelaide Hawk]

Peter Aish like his opposing captain Don Gilbourne was well known at the time. As I mentioned he played in 2 Grand Finals in a row without getting a goal kicked on him. I don't know whether he played state, remember John Abley had a mortgage on the state Full back at the time and I do know that Doug Thomas also played state as a full back during that era. By the time Abley retired Aish would have just about retired also.

Peter played 5 games for SA. He was also able to play CHB & HB, and that's where he usually played for SA. A fine gentleman is Peter, a keen supporter of his grandkids who play at Norwood, you can find him at every game.

Brian Sawley only played 9 league games in 1960, most of them mid-season. He only played 2 Reserves games that year, so it would suggest he had some injury problems.

[Adelaide Hawk]

1960 Advertiser Team of the Year

F: Richard Fenton-Smith (St), Wally Dittmar (PA), John Ryan (WA)
HF: Lindsay Head (WT), Don Lindner (NA), Tony Goodchild (St)
C: Barrie Barbary (NA), John Halbert (St), Don Russell (WT)
HB: Neville Hayes (PA), Ron Kneebone (N), Brian Gambling (NA)
B: Trevor Obst (PA), Peter Aish (N), Des Panizza (SA)
Ruck: Ian Hannaford (PA), Neil Kerley (WA), Haydn Bunton (N)
Res: John Lill (N), Jeff Bray (WA)

No Coach named in those days, but you'd think it would have to be Jack McCarthy who took North from 7th to Premiers in his first year.

[mal]

1960 FIRST SEMI FINAL

NW 3-2...13.6...16.8...18.12...[120]
WA 3-2...4-3....7-12...10.13...[73]

NWs brilliant display of football in the 2nd term settled the issue in a high standard game
The Redlegs were rank outsiders b4 the match following thier defeat at NW against WA the week b4
The opening term proved very even, but then came the devastating 2nd term burst which produced 10-4 to 1-1
The NW rucks led by wedding and Feehan took control which gave rovers in Bunton, Brenchley and Vivian an armchair ride
The Redlegs handball in this term was particularly effective as first Vivian goaled to put NW in front, then was followed quickly by Haydn Bunton to give the Legs 2 majors in 90 seconds
Further goals from Phil Stephens [2] Bunton, Wedding, Lil,Wells and Vivian[the other ????]
So at half time NW had a match winning break of 57 points
WA made many changes at 1/2 time and in fact outscored NW 6-10 to 5-6 in the 2nd half, but undoubtedly the damage had been done in the 2nd term
The difference finally was NWs ruck and roving dominance and brilliant football
It was Jack Oateys last game as coach of WA [1957-1960]

BEST NW ; Bunton, Wedding, Breechley, Vivian, Feehan, Harrison
BEST WA: Bennetts, Roach, Mcleod, Eustice, Johnson, Phipps, wright
MAIN GOALSCORERS
NW
Wells 5
Bunton 3
Stephens 3
WA
Phipps 4

Attendance 30,942
Umpire Whitford

SECOND SEMI
NA 10-15
PA 8-17

PRELIM FINAL
NW 8-11
PA 3-14


GRAND FINAL
NA 14-11
NW 13-12

Just a brief summation on the GF from an article
The game was a repetition of the 3 stirring rugged clashes between the teams
Played in perfect conditions the football was not of high quality but the score fluctuations- there were 6 lead changes- made the game a sustained battle of nerve and muscle in a thriller
Tribute was paid to Jack Mccarthey, NAs non playing coach for the job he had done transforming NA from mild unco-ordinated band to a speedy power packed aggressive combination

QUESTION
Is the 10-4 that NW kicked in the 2nd qtr in the first semi a record of sorts ?

[GWW]

In the footage of the 1960 grand final, the contemporary ABC commentators joked about the absence of handballs in that game and that era in general.

For those that remember watching footy in that era, how infrequently did the players actually handball? It must have been quite a bit different to modern day football, although not necessarily for the worse.

[smithy]

In the footage of the 1960 grand final, the contemporary ABC commentators joked about the absence of handballs in that game and that era in general.

For those that remember watching footy in that era, how infrequently did the players actually handball? It must have been quite a bit different to modern day football, although not necessarily for the worse.

I remember a quote from a book I read which had the handball stats for the game at 6.
Pretty sure it was a mid 60's sturt v Port game who traditionally had the kick it forward and long style.

[Leaping Lindner]

1960
Was a Centenary Year for North Adelaide ?
100 years old ?
North Division [NA] played South Division[ SA] in the North Parklands in May 1860 ?

WAH?
North started in 1893!
Like don't you read or listen?
So we (NAFC) only got it wrong by 33 years? Yeah right!

I did read, how else can anyone who was not alive at the time make judgement
I read this from a publication

1860 MARKS NORTHS HUMBLE BEGINNING
North Adelaide Football Club, together with South Adelaide and the Old Collegians Football Clubs, can trace its history back to 1860
On April 26 of that year a meeting called by Messrs J Acraman, W J Fullarton and R Cussen was held at the Globe Inn, Rundle Street and the Adelaide Football Club was a result if the gathering
Naturally as the only Australian football club in the colony, it was without competition.
As a result it formed into what was virtually an association of 3 divisions[later to be known as clubs]
These were South Division [players living south of the Torrens], North Division [players living North of the Torrens] and Collegians [past and present players of colleges and thier staff]
For 14 years North Division [North Adelaide Football Club] played some few score games against South Division [South Adelaide Football Club] the first of these games on the North Parklands in May 1860
They also played other clubs as they became established

Thats what I have read about a possible 1860 reference to North Adelaide
But I was not totally sure, as I have read that North Adelaide had started in 1893
I have read that Medindie changed its name to North Adelaide in 1893 ?
Hence the post that I made had 3 question marks

This might help. Although the guy who wrote the article is a dodgy type....
http://www.nafc.com.au/history/p833.aspx

[Ian]

LL,

if Medindie was formed in 1881, then changed it's name to North Adelaide in 1893, effectively they are the same club, why does the club's history officially start at the name change date rather than when the club was formed?

[Leaping Lindner]

I know this sounds lame Ian but the best reason I can give you is it's always been that way. There have been some in the past that have tried to rectify this. I know that the 1978 general report has 1888 - 1978 on the cover.
Maybe the fact that until recently there has been a few theories on how the club started. (IE; all the confusion over the other North Adelaides and the story that Medindie played North Adelaide for the name and won....which is Bulldust.)
I've had many a conversation wherein I had to convince the listener that they are indeed the same club. I usually say Western Bulldogs didn't start in 1997 they just changed their name.

When the club's official history book is written it will acknowledge this.