Adelaide Plains Football League

[OnSong]

OnSong do you have a confirmed list of those players suspended for this weeks matches due to being unavailable for association selection/training?

I do not. We could work it out ourselves if I knew what the final squad was.

At a guess:

HWE:
Shaun Light
Joel Wilson
Dylan Cicollela

United:
Adrian Mills
Will Banton (MIA)

Balaklava:
Jonathon Brice

Two Wells:
Simon Feast
Tallan Leighton
Eamon Fetherstonaugh (not sure but trained - selected as EMG?)

Virginia:
Chris James
Adrian Mark
Brendon Niklaus
Ben Galic (not sure, trained in the end I think)

Mallala:
Liam Whitwell
Rob Montgomery

Hamley:
Kirk Heberle (not sure on this one, suited up to train but didn't for some reason)

[norm11]

Gee Liam would be pissed, I heard he was making a early come back from his broken leg.

[OnSong]

Gee Liam would be pissed, I heard he was making a early come back from his broken leg.

He'll have to wait a week then

[Ace of Spades]

Cant wait to see the HWE side tonight if Light, Ciccy and Joel are suspended!
Unavailable:
Light
Cicolella
Joel Wilson
Daniel Hendry
Nathan Young
Dustin Guthberg
Simon Schutz
David Oswald
David Barnes (test)
Ryan Reid (test)
Shaun Price (test)
With a couple others at uni exams i think....

[norm11]

Cant wait to see the HWE side tonight if Light, Ciccy and Joel are suspended!
Unavailable:
Light
Cicolella
Joel Wilson
Daniel Hendry
Nathan Young
Dustin Guthberg
Simon Schutz
David Oswald
David Barnes (test)
Ryan Reid (test)
Shaun Price (test)
With a couple others at uni exams i think....

Wow who u playing??

[Hazbeen]

Tips for round 9

Peckers 1-39
Pies 40+
Tigers 1-39

[THACHY_7]

OnSong do you have a confirmed list of those players suspended for this weeks matches due to being unavailable for association selection/training?

I do not. We could work it out ourselves if I knew what the final squad was.

At a guess:

HWE:
Shaun Light
Joel Wilson
Dylan Cicollela

United:
Adrian Mills
Will Banton (MIA)

Balaklava:
Jonathon Brice

Two Wells:
Simon Feast
Tallan Leighton
Eamon Fetherstonaugh (not sure but trained - selected as EMG?)

Virginia:
Chris James
Adrian Mark
Brendon Niklaus
Ben Galic (not sure, trained in the end I think)

Mallala:
Liam Whitwell
Rob Montgomery

Hamley:
Kirk Heberle (not sure on this one, suited up to train but didn't for some reason)

Hebs rocked up to Association training and was intending to train but got told by the coach not to worry about training because the coach knew his hamstring wasn't 100%.
End result: Heberle suspended this week

[norm11]

Ur kidding right??

[THACHY_7]

Ur kidding right??

Na mate.. True story..
If he knew that was gonna happen he probably would have jus ran some laps and made himself 'available' hoping not to get picked.

[Swamp Donkey]

Ur kidding right??

I'd say the point is he would've been picked. He was unable to play due to a hamstring injury. He wouldn't have played at club level last week due to his injury, so like everyone else who was unavailable due to injury, he was suspended for the next club match.

[OnSong]

Ur kidding right??

I'd say the point is he would've been picked. He was unable to play due to a hamstring injury. He wouldn't have played at club level last week due to his injury, so like everyone else who was unavailable due to injury, he was suspended for the next club match.

That's it in a nutshell. It's not fair but that's the rule.

[RooShootOhh]

Ur kidding right??

I'd say the point is he would've been picked. He was unable to play due to a hamstring injury. He wouldn't have played at club level last week due to his injury, so like everyone else who was unavailable due to injury, he was suspended for the next club match.

That's it in a nutshell. It's not fair but that's the rule.

So making assumptions here... But if he turns up ready to train, u think he was putting his hand up to play, so now the association coach chooses who gets suspended now by telling the player he is not fit enough.

So the rule in effect, has suspended someone who was prepared to train (therefore I assume play as well) but was ruled out through selection by the coach Wow, I'm sure thats exactly why the rule was introduced

Is the rule even appropriate (given what some player posted on here last week), the association pick players who don't even train over fit players who attend training so pay lip service to the squad they pick, then suspend blokes who they do pick?

[Extractor]

Ur kidding right??

I'd say the point is he would've been picked. He was unable to play due to a hamstring injury. He wouldn't have played at club level last week due to his injury, so like everyone else who was unavailable due to injury, he was suspended for the next club match.

I'm sorry but as an outside observer this is the dumbest rule I have ever seen an association try to enforce...

If a player is suffering from a genuine injury then there is absolutely no way they should be penalised for not being available. Surely the association could handle this about 8 million times better? Would it be too hard for the association to make an independent doc/physio available on the Thursday night before the game to make the final call on injured players?

and Thachy I reckon you might need more encouragement than that to get Hebsy to run a few laps...

[THACHY_7]

Ur kidding right??

I'd say the point is he would've been picked. He was unable to play due to a hamstring injury. He wouldn't have played at club level last week due to his injury, so like everyone else who was unavailable due to injury, he was suspended for the next club match.

I can understand why the league put this rule in place, but surely each players circumstance gets looked at on its merit?
The selectors/league are saying 'we are suspending these certain players because we were intending to select them but they made themselves unavailable'
But the reality is they can only select 23 players and out of the guys that have been suspended a fair few of them probably wouldnt have been selected anyway.
The suspension obviously doesnt affect those with long term injuries but to those that are now fit or returned from holiday/work etc it affects them and in particular their respective clubs.

[Lightning McQueen]

So making assumptions here... But if he turns up ready to train, u think he was putting his hand up to play, so now the association coach chooses who gets suspended now by telling the player he is not fit enough.

So the rule in effect, has suspended someone who was prepared to train (therefore I assume play as well) but was ruled out through selection by the coach Wow, I'm sure thats exactly why the rule was introduced

Is the rule even appropriate (given what some player posted on here last week), the association pick players who don't even train over fit players who attend training so pay lip service to the squad they pick, then suspend blokes who they do pick?

It's probably been too hard to filter the bullshit in previous seasons so they drew a line in the sand. It can be too easily manipulated, if you have a dodgy hammy it isn't going to heal by missing a week anyway.
I'm not a fan of the rule but it's obviously the only way they can attempt to get their strongest possible team on the park, I personally don't see the value in representative footy, it still doesn't determine the better competition.

[Extractor]

What happens when player X is in the squad but does a hammy a week or two before the association game just like Heberle did and would have been fit by the following club game but not the association game? Subsequently a good player misses a game for his local club as he was not available for the Who-Cares Cup or whatever its called...

surely most people involved in the APFL at club level would rather have their good players play for their clubs than give the association bragging rights over YPFL...

[OnSong]

So making assumptions here... But if he turns up ready to train, u think he was putting his hand up to play, so now the association coach chooses who gets suspended now by telling the player he is not fit enough.

So the rule in effect, has suspended someone who was prepared to train (therefore I assume play as well) but was ruled out through selection by the coach Wow, I'm sure thats exactly why the rule was introduced

Is the rule even appropriate (given what some player posted on here last week), the association pick players who don't even train over fit players who attend training so pay lip service to the squad they pick, then suspend blokes who they do pick?

It's probably been too hard to filter the bullshit in previous seasons so they drew a line in the sand. It can be too easily manipulated, if you have a dodgy hammy it isn't going to heal by missing a week anyway.
I'm not a fan of the rule but it's obviously the only way they can attempt to get their strongest possible team on the park, I personally don't see the value in representative footy, it still doesn't determine the better competition.

Here's my take on it:

The rule, in theory, is good. However, it needs some form of contingency.
Andy Michael flagged this in this week's paper.
Put simply, if you've missed the club game or large part of the club game from the week before, you've served your "suspension", theoretically.
The idea is to discourage players from pulling out through feigned "injury" or what ever other reason they may have.
The problem is, players who are actually injured, who want to play but can't (or probably shouldn't, in the case with Hebs), also get slapped with suspension.
What about Virginia, they'll be without Chris James and Adrian Mark, two key players, who were selected and pulled out through injury, and their suspension will be served following the bye.
IMO, I don't think James should have been picked at all, because he was clearly struggling at training. Mark, I think, injured himself while training.
Andy Michael would admit he made a mistake selecting James.
Anyway, I love rep footy, as do blokes like Joel Wilson, Kirk Heberle etc, so as much as the rule works to a certain degree, it does punish those with every intention of playing.

[OnSong]

What happens when player X is in the squad but does a hammy a week or two before the association game just like Heberle did and would have been fit by the following club game but not the association game? Subsequently a good player misses a game for his local club as he was not available for the Who-Cares Cup or whatever its called...

As above, the suspension applies.
And as for the who cares cup, that's the attitude the rule is in place to counter.

[Extractor]

What happens when player X is in the squad but does a hammy a week or two before the association game just like Heberle did and would have been fit by the following club game but not the association game? Subsequently a good player misses a game for his local club as he was not available for the Who-Cares Cup or whatever its called...

As above, the suspension applies.
And as for the who cares cup, that's the attitude the rule is in place to counter.

I understand thats what the league is trying to avoid but who benefits from a win over YPFL or NEFL? apart from the players/coaches and the league committee then I can't see too many....

[THACHY_7]

So making assumptions here... But if he turns up ready to train, u think he was putting his hand up to play, so now the association coach chooses who gets suspended now by telling the player he is not fit enough.

So the rule in effect, has suspended someone who was prepared to train (therefore I assume play as well) but was ruled out through selection by the coach Wow, I'm sure thats exactly why the rule was introduced

Is the rule even appropriate (given what some player posted on here last week), the association pick players who don't even train over fit players who attend training so pay lip service to the squad they pick, then suspend blokes who they do pick?

It's probably been too hard to filter the bullshit in previous seasons so they drew a line in the sand. It can be too easily manipulated, if you have a dodgy hammy it isn't going to heal by missing a week anyway.
I'm not a fan of the rule but it's obviously the only way they can attempt to get their strongest possible team on the park, I personally don't see the value in representative footy, it still doesn't determine the better competition.

Here's my take on it:

The rule, in theory, is good. However, it needs some form of contingency.
Andy Michael flagged this in this week's paper.
Put simply, if you've missed the club game or large part of the club game from the week before, you've served your "suspension", theoretically.
The idea is to discourage players from pulling out through feigned "injury" or what ever other reason they may have.
The problem is, players who are actually injured, who want to play but can't (or probably shouldn't, in the case with Hebs), also get slapped with suspension.
What about Virginia, they'll be without Chris James and Adrian Mark, two key players, who were selected and pulled out through injury, and their suspension will be served following the bye.
IMO, I don't think James should have been picked at all, because he was clearly struggling at training. Mark, I think, injured himself while training.
Andy Michael would admit he made a mistake selecting James.
Anyway, I love rep footy, as do blokes like Joel Wilson, Kirk Heberle etc, so as much as the rule works to a certain degree, it does punish those with every intention of playing.

Hopefully the league can iron out the creases and get this rule right.
If Hebs, Mark, James and whoever else is fit for their next club game they should be able to play.
I do like the bit above that ive highlighted about players serving their 'suspension' the week leading into the Association game. Makes sense to serve the 'suspension' when you are injured as opposed to the guys serving it this week who are fit.
Some players love rep footy and some players dont.
Some might be happy to play rep footy one year but want the week off the next year.