SAAFL Division 1 2013

[bird of prey]

Come on demon juke. You can't make Gaza be the bad guy here surely?
We recruited 2 players. Spent points elsewhere. Now, months later, we have to find 2 more players to replace these loses.
Do you think that is fair on the club?
Imagine now if your coach decided he wanted to go back to his prev club. Would you be happy with that this time of year?
Plenty of other clubs have held players to their contracts in the past. We have been affected on this end too.
I'm sure this particular situation will work itself out though.

[Footy Follower]

Come on demon juke. You can't make Gaza be the bad guy here surely?
We recruited 2 players. Spent points elsewhere. Now, months later, we have to find 2 more players to replace these loses.
Do you think that is fair on the club?
Imagine now if your coach decided he wanted to go back to his prev club. Would you be happy with that this time of year?
Plenty of other clubs have held players to their contracts in the past. We have been affected on this end too.
I'm sure this particular situation will work itself out though.

Has happened before with coaches walking out this time of year. I think the only reason a player should be denied a clearence is if he owes money to that club for subs etc. It is not AFL, and amatuer league football is not a fulltime job, so players should be able to play where they want regardless of whether they have changed their mind over summer or gotten a better offer from another club.
No one wins with a club trying to force a player to stay by not clearing him.

[bird of prey]

Come on demon juke. You can't make Gaza be the bad guy here surely?
We recruited 2 players. Spent points elsewhere. Now, months later, we have to find 2 more players to replace these loses.
Do you think that is fair on the club?
Imagine now if your coach decided he wanted to go back to his prev club. Would you be happy with that this time of year?
Plenty of other clubs have held players to their contracts in the past. We have been affected on this end too.
I'm sure this particular situation will work itself out though.

Has happened before with coaches walking out this time of year. I think the only reason a player should be denied a clearence is if he owes money to that club for subs etc. It is not AFL, and amatuer league football is not a fulltime job, so players should be able to play where they want regardless of whether they have changed their mind over summer or gotten a better offer from another club.
No one wins with a club trying to force a player to stay by not clearing him.

When a team is trying to plan a season and recruit a team, it makes it a little hard if players can walk out whenever they chose, even after signing a contract. What is the point of a contract then? Just so they can justify a sign on fee?
Loyalty seems to be quite rare this days, but let's do what we can to keep this little amount in existence, by not giving players the ability to jump around from club to club even easier.
If these contracts mean nothing, then I guess the $$ figures put on them mean nothing too. I bet when these players jump up and down about not getting paid what was agreed on, they would be pretty quick to refer the club back to that "contract" they signed.
Denying these clearances is also about principle and setting a precedent that would benefit all clubs in the future. Except the club footy follower is from, as he seems to think what these players are doing is acceptable.

[Gatt_Weasel]

bitch fight walkies vs gaza

[Demon Juke]

Come on demon juke. You can't make Gaza be the bad guy here surely?
We recruited 2 players. Spent points elsewhere. Now, months later, we have to find 2 more players to replace these loses.
Do you think that is fair on the club?
Imagine now if your coach decided he wanted to go back to his prev club. Would you be happy with that this time of year?
Plenty of other clubs have held players to their contracts in the past. We have been affected on this end too.
I'm sure this particular situation will work itself out though.

not saying your the bad guy but can't be good for the team to have players playing in the team that don't want to be there. I understand if you signed someone and they changed there mind you would not be happy, but when you start recruiting player's for good money then I think becomes a job to the players and when they get a better offer then they want to move on.

[Gatt_Weasel]

Come on demon juke. You can't make Gaza be the bad guy here surely?
We recruited 2 players. Spent points elsewhere. Now, months later, we have to find 2 more players to replace these loses.
Do you think that is fair on the club?
Imagine now if your coach decided he wanted to go back to his prev club. Would you be happy with that this time of year?
Plenty of other clubs have held players to their contracts in the past. We have been affected on this end too.
I'm sure this particular situation will work itself out though.

not saying your the bad guy but can't be good for the team to have players playing in the team that don't want to be there. I understand if you signed someone and they changed there mind you would not be happy, but when you start recruiting player's for good money then I think becomes a job to the players and when they get a better offer then they want to move on.

agree the season has not even started yet why keep a gold digger around

[Yardy Lard]

Come on demon juke. You can't make Gaza be the bad guy here surely?
We recruited 2 players. Spent points elsewhere. Now, months later, we have to find 2 more players to replace these loses.
Do you think that is fair on the club?
Imagine now if your coach decided he wanted to go back to his prev club. Would you be happy with that this time of year?
Plenty of other clubs have held players to their contracts in the past. We have been affected on this end too.
I'm sure this particular situation will work itself out though.

Has happened before with coaches walking out this time of year. I think the only reason a player should be denied a clearence is if he owes money to that club for subs etc. It is not AFL, and amatuer league football is not a fulltime job, so players should be able to play where they want regardless of whether they have changed their mind over summer or gotten a better offer from another club.
No one wins with a club trying to force a player to stay by not clearing him.

When a team is trying to plan a season and recruit a team, it makes it a little hard if players can walk out whenever they chose, even after signing a contract. What is the point of a contract then? Just so they can justify a sign on fee?
Loyalty seems to be quite rare this days, but let's do what we can to keep this little amount in existence, by not giving players the ability to jump around from club to club even easier.
If these contracts mean nothing, then I guess the $$ figures put on them mean nothing too. I bet when these players jump up and down about not getting paid what was agreed on, they would be pretty quick to refer the club back to that "contract" they signed.
Denying these clearances is also about principle and setting a precedent that would benefit all clubs in the future. Except the club footy follower is from, as he seems to think what these players are doing is acceptable.

Spot on BOP. Teams and clubs who are professional in D1 and D2 and even those in some of the lower grades, sign players in good faith on contracts. They recruit each year knowing how many points they have up their sleeves and how much money in the bank to offer. When players decide that another offer is better, the whole lot is thrown into chaos. Players need to be held accountable for signing contracts.

If a player decides to break it, then he should be accountable. You are right, if the club decided not to honour the contract, and not pay them the money they were promised per game, then all hell would break out.

Football in the higher grades is a small business these days, and the clubs rightly are run like a business. Time for players who demand top dollar to also be professional in the way they act

[RooShootOhh]

Come on demon juke. You can't make Gaza be the bad guy here surely?
We recruited 2 players. Spent points elsewhere. Now, months later, we have to find 2 more players to replace these loses.
Do you think that is fair on the club?
Imagine now if your coach decided he wanted to go back to his prev club. Would you be happy with that this time of year?
Plenty of other clubs have held players to their contracts in the past. We have been affected on this end too.
I'm sure this particular situation will work itself out though.

Has happened before with coaches walking out this time of year. I think the only reason a player should be denied a clearence is if he owes money to that club for subs etc. It is not AFL, and amatuer league football is not a fulltime job, so players should be able to play where they want regardless of whether they have changed their mind over summer or gotten a better offer from another club.
No one wins with a club trying to force a player to stay by not clearing him.

When a team is trying to plan a season and recruit a team, it makes it a little hard if players can walk out whenever they chose, even after signing a contract. What is the point of a contract then? Just so they can justify a sign on fee?
Loyalty seems to be quite rare this days, but let's do what we can to keep this little amount in existence, by not giving players the ability to jump around from club to club even easier.
If these contracts mean nothing, then I guess the $$ figures put on them mean nothing too. I bet when these players jump up and down about not getting paid what was agreed on, they would be pretty quick to refer the club back to that "contract" they signed.
Denying these clearances is also about principle and setting a precedent that would benefit all clubs in the future. Except the club footy follower is from, as he seems to think what these players are doing is acceptable.

If they wanted to keep shopping themselves around, they shouldn't have signed a contract, so bugger them, if they don't want to honour a contract they signed, let them sit out a year of footy, anyone who wants to treat a club like that doesn't deserve to be looked after because its the easier outcome, either honour your contract and play for Gaza, or sit out a year, they are the two options these lads created for themselves...
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Or heres a thought, if you are going to shop yoursleves around, don't sign a contract!!!!!

Any club who thinks taking the easy option and clearing them is the best outcome is plain stupid, it may not affect your club now, but this just creates further acceptance of this sh!thouse behavour in the future. Clubs will just go throw HUGE $$$ at players on the eve of the season if they havent recruited well like other clubs!

Imagine if Gaza can't replace these blokes with people of equal or greater ability for the same amount, you think they should suffer because two brothers chase a quick buck! So if Gaza have to suffer, why don't these blokes, and for that matter why should the club they are going to reap the rewards of this sort of behaviour.

I dont care if blokes want to shop themselves around to the highest bdder, but its their choice when the sign a contract and stiff sh!t if a better offer comes along!

[FOURTH ESTATE]

Why have Gaza knocked back all the clearances to Walkerville?

[FOURTH ESTATE]

To me it just highlights the stupidity of not being about to put clearances in until 1st Feb.

Could not have said it better.

Until the SACFL, SANFL & AFL get their collective heads out of their backsides they will never understand local grassroots football.

Waiting until February for a transfer is just plain dumb and stupid when you sign the player in August/ September. Of course they are likely to change their mind but if the transfer was completed back in October and contracts signed it would stop all the bullsh*t that goes on during the summer months and clubs would know where they are sitting in regards to the APPS.

Time to start the revolution!!!!!!!

[UNCLE SAM]

Come on demon juke. You can't make Gaza be the bad guy here surely?
We recruited 2 players. Spent points elsewhere. Now, months later, we have to find 2 more players to replace these loses.
Do you think that is fair on the club?
Imagine now if your coach decided he wanted to go back to his prev club. Would you be happy with that this time of year?
Plenty of other clubs have held players to their contracts in the past. We have been affected on this end too.
I'm sure this particular situation will work itself out though.

Has happened before with coaches walking out this time of year. I think the only reason a player should be denied a clearence is if he owes money to that club for subs etc. It is not AFL, and amatuer league football is not a fulltime job, so players should be able to play where they want regardless of whether they have changed their mind over summer or gotten a better offer from another club.
No one wins with a club trying to force a player to stay by not clearing him.

When a team is trying to plan a season and recruit a team, it makes it a little hard if players can walk out whenever they chose, even after signing a contract. What is the point of a contract then? Just so they can justify a sign on fee?
Loyalty seems to be quite rare this days, but let's do what we can to keep this little amount in existence, by not giving players the ability to jump around from club to club even easier.
If these contracts mean nothing, then I guess the $$ figures put on them mean nothing too. I bet when these players jump up and down about not getting paid what was agreed on, they would be pretty quick to refer the club back to that "contract" they signed.
Denying these clearances is also about principle and setting a precedent that would benefit all clubs in the future. Except the club footy follower is from, as he seems to think what these players are doing is acceptable.

Spot on BOP. Teams and clubs who are professional in D1 and D2 and even those in some of the lower grades, sign players in good faith on contracts. They recruit each year knowing how many points they have up their sleeves and how much money in the bank to offer. When players decide that another offer is better, the whole lot is thrown into chaos. Players need to be held accountable for signing contracts.

If a player decides to break it, then he should be accountable. You are right, if the club decided not to honour the contract, and not pay them the money they were promised per game, then all hell would break out.

Football in the higher grades is a small business these days, and the clubs rightly are run like a business. Time for players who demand top dollar to also be professional in the way they act

Yardy I hate agreeing with you but these players that decide that more money can be made elsewhere should be held accountable and be made to see out the contract they original signed or the club be compensated financial by the other club so these players can be replaced.
CFB should step in and say stay put or no play.
Can see the players in question saying it's not the money just want to play with mates-c'mon do players think we came down in the last shower

[UNCLE SAM]

To me it just highlights the stupidity of not being about to put clearances in until 1st Feb.

Could not have said it better.

Until the SACFL, SANFL & AFL get their collective heads out of their backsides they will never understand local grassroots football.

Waiting until February for a transfer is just plain dumb and stupid when you sign the player in August/ September. Of course they are likely to change their mind but if the transfer was completed back in October and contracts signed it would stop all the bullsh*t that goes on during the summer months and clubs would know where they are sitting in regards to the APPS.

Time to start the revolution!!!!!!!

Any chance Darren Leske from Freeling be playing at broadview this year TFE-here he is not happy at missing out on coaching job at Freeling

[FOURTH ESTATE]

Never heard of him or his name mentioned

[Footy Follower]

Come on demon juke. You can't make Gaza be the bad guy here surely?
We recruited 2 players. Spent points elsewhere. Now, months later, we have to find 2 more players to replace these loses.
Do you think that is fair on the club?
Imagine now if your coach decided he wanted to go back to his prev club. Would you be happy with that this time of year?
Plenty of other clubs have held players to their contracts in the past. We have been affected on this end too.
I'm sure this particular situation will work itself out though.

Has happened before with coaches walking out this time of year. I think the only reason a player should be denied a clearence is if he owes money to that club for subs etc. It is not AFL, and amatuer league football is not a fulltime job, so players should be able to play where they want regardless of whether they have changed their mind over summer or gotten a better offer from another club.
No one wins with a club trying to force a player to stay by not clearing him.

When a team is trying to plan a season and recruit a team, it makes it a little hard if players can walk out whenever they chose, even after signing a contract. What is the point of a contract then? Just so they can justify a sign on fee?
Loyalty seems to be quite rare this days, but let's do what we can to keep this little amount in existence, by not giving players the ability to jump around from club to club even easier.
If these contracts mean nothing, then I guess the $$ figures put on them mean nothing too. I bet when these players jump up and down about not getting paid what was agreed on, they would be pretty quick to refer the club back to that "contract" they signed.
Denying these clearances is also about principle and setting a precedent that would benefit all clubs in the future. Except the club footy follower is from, as he seems to think what these players are doing is acceptable.

I smell sour grapes here. At the end of the day every club has been through this at some stage where a player leaves at the last minute to play elsewhere. It is not alsways about the money e.g. all your mates have gone to another club. Your acting like contracts that a player signs is legally binding. Like I said, it is not AFL so let a player play where he wants. If you want to go down the whole "contract signing path is a legal document" then I am sure your club has declared all player payments to the ATO and has therefore paid all the taxes required??

[bird of prey]

Sour grapes? ATO?
Ridiculous comeback.

[Gatt_Weasel]

in all honesty i think if clearances do not start until feb 1st contracts should not start until then anything signed before then should be invalid voided what ever SAAFL probably need to make a rule to address this and stop it from going around in a circle every year with the same old crap

[Fricky]

in all honesty i think if clearances do not start until feb 1st contracts should not start until then anything signed before then should be invalid voided what ever SAAFL probably need to make a rule to address this and stop it from going around in a circle every year with the same old crap

You make a pretty good point there Weasal

[marbles]

in all honesty i think if clearances do not start until feb 1st contracts should not start until then anything signed before then should be invalid voided what ever SAAFL probably need to make a rule to address this and stop it from going around in a circle every year with the same old crap

And also no preseason training can start before feb 1st as well

[wycbloods]

Nice get Grainger!

PHOS Camden Gaza Blacksell, Todd Pending 2013-02-01

Comes with Judd Robson too i believe. Another good get.

[Footy Smart]

Savage was strolling around Perti last night in full GWS kit and bright orange shoes He doesnt look like a bloke who has been in the AFL System but will no doubt add something to TTG, Van Ristell is ripping up the track and they have plenty of young ruckmen to cover Griffiths. Pretty sure the C grade ruckman (Dow?) is training with the A/B grade group, looking fit if its the same bloke! One player went down with what looked like knee though?.... never wanna see that let alone in pre season.