North's players from Spell_check's list

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I've been chewing over the pre-1907 players quite a bit. I have included some prominent players in the lists at the moment. I'm not sure how accurate the records are back then, so I was thinking I could have a separate thread for the players who exclusively played before 1907. What do you think? (And I pose this question to everyone else).

There are a few more "Same as" questons I would like to ask, too:

David Crawford - Norwood (1913-15)
William Crowe - Norwood (1909-10)
Frederick Curnow - South
There is a Leonard Dangerfield for Glenelg, too.
Clem Dayman - Port

A seperate list sounds like an idea. The biggest trouble is mainly due to Ern Kolosche's book (and he did an UNBELIEVEABLE job by the way) we've all grown up believing that SA records should start in 1907 but in reality they probably should start in 1897 (the year that behinds were added to scores). The only thing that happened in 1907 is one word changed in the title of the name.
Pre 1897 records can be a nightmare. For example when researching Medindie the first team list I found in the paper was in 1890 and the team started in 1888! And even after 1890 they are few and far between.

David Crawford - Norwood (1913-15) (North 1919-22 48 games - Possible)
William Crowe - Norwood (1909-10) (North 1914 I game - Unlikely i'd think)
Frederick Curnow - South (North 1919-23 63 games)
There is a Leonard Dangerfield for Glenelg, too. (Norwood-North 1943 13 games)
Clem Dayman - Port (North 1915,1919 19 games)

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And some more Q's:

Charles Drew - Glenelg
Brian Edwards - Glenelg

Charles Drew - (62 Games 1906-10)
Brian Edwards - (11 Games 1946-47)

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Leaping, this is another question I asked to Legs11 on the Norwood thread about WW2 players, and included is his reply. What is your opinion on this?


5.
Robert Jervis
Robert Bertram
William Jordon

I have a theory in why these names aren't in The Men of Norwood. Because of the pairing of the teams in 1942-44, players are credited with games played for whatever pair they played for. But I have read that Bob Hank played for Port-Torrens in 1944, but is not on The Power from Port website. I think this is because of him not living in the Port Adelaide zone at the time. It is for that reason Jervis, Bertram and Jordon do not appear in the book, I feel. And also, players may not be credited for the other club if they were already a one of the clubs i.e one player was at Torrens in 1941, and continued on for Port-Torrens in 1942, but is not in The Power from Port records. What do you think about this? Should I keep these player on the Norwood list or not?

5.
Robert Jervis
Robert Bertram
William Jordon

I have a slightly different theory on these guys, and others who played in that era. Basically, players were credited with having continued their careers with either Norwood or North footy clubs, as long as they had played for either club before 42-44, or continued for either club from 45 onwards. However, these players only played between 42-44, so which clubs do you put them under??? Hope that makes sense

You are spot on! Even though they only played for Norwood-North they were registered as North players so they wouldn't be classified as Norwood.

Robert Jervis (1942) 2 Games 0 Goals
Robert Bertram (1942-43) 3 Games 2 Goals
William Jordon (1943) 2 Games O Goals

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Hooray! That clears it up then. I owe you one Leaping, many thanks!

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H

Robert Hage
Frank Haines
Frank Hambly
John Harvey
Neville Heenan
Leslie Hemers
Rhodes Hensell
Bruce Hentshcke
Lloyd Heylen
Charles Higgins
William Hill
Frank Holden
Rex Honniball
Merv Hopgood
Robert Hyam
Sidney Hyde

(pre-1907)
Sam Heseltime
Lionel Hill
Oscar Hyman

[spell_check]

I've been chewing over the pre-1907 players quite a bit. I have included some prominent players in the lists at the moment. I'm not sure how accurate the records are back then, so I was thinking I could have a separate thread for the players who exclusively played before 1907. What do you think? (And I pose this question to everyone else).

There are a few more "Same as" questons I would like to ask, too:

David Crawford - Norwood (1913-15)
William Crowe - Norwood (1909-10)
Frederick Curnow - South
There is a Leonard Dangerfield for Glenelg, too.
Clem Dayman - Port

A seperate list sounds like an idea. The biggest trouble is mainly due to Ern Kolosche's book (and he did an UNBELIEVEABLE job by the way) we've all grown up believing that SA records should start in 1907 but in reality they probably should start in 1897 (the year that behinds were added to scores). The only thing that happened in 1907 is one word changed in the title of the name.
Pre 1897 records can be a nightmare. For example when researching Medindie the first team list I found in the paper was in 1890 and the team started in 1888! And even after 1890 they are few and far between.

David Crawford - Norwood (1913-15) (North 1919-22 48 games - Possible)
William Crowe - Norwood (1909-10) (North 1914 I game - Unlikely i'd think)
Frederick Curnow - South (North 1919-23 63 games)
There is a Leonard Dangerfield for Glenelg, too. (Norwood-North 1943 13 games)
Clem Dayman - Port (North 1915,1919 19 games)

I grew to the idea of records from 1907 onwards, due the few yearbooks I have. (Which would have stemmed from Kolosche). 1897, seems like another creditable starting point, but another reason why I am "attached" to the 1907 starting point is because of the names in "The Men of Norwood" have games given to them from 1907 onwards because of a "games system" the club secretary started in that year.

Another quick question - do you have some details on the goalkicker Bill Isaac, as he is listed in the Norwood thread, but not in "The Men of Norwood"?

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J

Ronald Jantke
Archie Jenkins
Lawrence Jervis
Ernie Johns
Keith Johnson
Geoff Johnston
Ernie Jones
William Jones

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H

Robert Hage
Frank Haines
Frank Hambly
John Harvey
Neville Heenan
Leslie Hemers
Rhodes Hensell
Bruce Hentshcke
Lloyd Heylen
Charles Higgins
William Hill
Frank Holden
Rex Honniball
Merv Hopgood
Robert Hyam
Sidney Hyde

(pre-1907)
Sam Heseltime
Lionel Hill
Oscar Hyman

And a couple more:
John Harvey - Port
Frank Holden - Norwood 1936, 3 games

[Leaping Lindner]

I've been chewing over the pre-1907 players quite a bit. I have included some prominent players in the lists at the moment. I'm not sure how accurate the records are back then, so I was thinking I could have a separate thread for the players who exclusively played before 1907. What do you think? (And I pose this question to everyone else).

There are a few more "Same as" questons I would like to ask, too:

David Crawford - Norwood (1913-15)
William Crowe - Norwood (1909-10)
Frederick Curnow - South
There is a Leonard Dangerfield for Glenelg, too.
Clem Dayman - Port

A seperate list sounds like an idea. The biggest trouble is mainly due to Ern Kolosche's book (and he did an UNBELIEVEABLE job by the way) we've all grown up believing that SA records should start in 1907 but in reality they probably should start in 1897 (the year that behinds were added to scores). The only thing that happened in 1907 is one word changed in the title of the name.
Pre 1897 records can be a nightmare. For example when researching Medindie the first team list I found in the paper was in 1890 and the team started in 1888! And even after 1890 they are few and far between.

David Crawford - Norwood (1913-15) (North 1919-22 48 games - Possible)
William Crowe - Norwood (1909-10) (North 1914 I game - Unlikely i'd think)
Frederick Curnow - South (North 1919-23 63 games)
There is a Leonard Dangerfield for Glenelg, too. (Norwood-North 1943 13 games)
Clem Dayman - Port (North 1915,1919 19 games)

I grew to the idea of records from 1907 onwards, due the few yearbooks I have. (Which would have stemmed from Kolosche). 1897, seems like another creditable starting point, but another reason why I am "attached" to the 1907 starting point is because of the names in "The Men of Norwood" have games given to them from 1907 onwards because of a "games system" the club secretary started in that year.

Another quick question - do you have some details on the goalkicker Bill Isaac, as he is listed in the Norwood thread, but not in "The Men of Norwood"?

From what I can gather Bill Isaac was a registered South player but for some reason or another he ended up playing at Norwood-North during the war comp.

W.E Isaac (“Bill”) debuted for Norwood-North in Round 6 1942. He then went onto play every game until the end of the 1944 and kicked at least on goal in everyone of those games. In all he played 41 Games for Norwood – North, and kicked 178 Goals (average 4.34 goals per game). He kicked bags of Nine goals twice, Eight once and Seven thrice. In 7 Major Round games he kicked 42 Goals - including 9 in the 1944 Ist Semi Final -at an average of 6 goals per game. He also topped the SANFL goalkicking in 1943 and 1944. He lined up South Adelaide for season 1945.

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H

Robert Hage
Frank Haines
Frank Hambly
John Harvey
Neville Heenan
Leslie Hemers
Rhodes Hensell
Bruce Hentshcke
Lloyd Heylen
Charles Higgins
William Hill
Frank Holden
Rex Honniball
Merv Hopgood
Robert Hyam
Sidney Hyde

(pre-1907)
Sam Heseltime
Lionel Hill
Oscar Hyman

And a couple more:
John Harvey - Port
Frank Holden - Norwood 1936, 3 games

John Harvey - Port (North - 1948 ; 2 games - so no as John Harvey played for Port in the 80's)
Frank Holden - Norwood 1936, 3 games (North 1939-40 ; 16 games - Possible but not sure)

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Thank you (Again!) Do you know what I find incredible about Norwood-North in 1944? Not because they came from 4th to win the flag, but in the previous meeting against Port-Torrens in 1944 these were the scores:

Round 10 1944
Port-Torrens 1.5 6.11 8.21 18.38 (146)
Norwood-North 5.3 6.3 11.9 11.9 (75)
Alberton Oval, Crowd: N/A

10.17 during the last quarter!

From then on Norwood-North won the remaining 5 matches (Including their next meeting to Port-Torrens in the GF!)

You probably know this but it is an amazing turnaround, all the same.

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K

John Keane
Len Keane
Ken King
Trevor King
Hector Kirkpatrick
Leslie Kleinschmidt
Thomas Klose
Martin Knowles
Les Knuckey
Bob Koehne
Ian Kroehn (also Central)

(Pre 1907)
John Kay

[Leaping Lindner]

Thank you (Again!) Do you know what I find incredible about Norwood-North in 1944? Not because they came from 4th to win the flag, but in the previous meeting against Port-Torrens in 1944 these were the scores:

Round 10 1944
Port-Torrens 1.5 6.11 8.21 18.38 (146)
Norwood-North 5.3 6.3 11.9 11.9 (75)
Alberton Oval, Crowd: N/A

10.17 during the last quarter!

From then on Norwood-North won the remaining 5 matches (Including their next meeting to Port-Torrens in the GF!)

You probably know this but it is an amazing turnaround, all the same.

It was a pretty amazing turnaround. The inclusion of Hancock, Hogan, Pash and Solomon no doubt helped but even then Port-Torrens were red hot favourites to win.

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Another two:

John Keane - Torrens
Trevor King - Sturt

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L

Joseph Laffin
Bruce Lahey
John Latimer
John Lawrence
Bernard Leahy (also West Adelaide)
Ray Lee
Fred Le Messurier
Roy Le Messurier
Gavin Leske
Thomas Lewis
Clifford Lines
Allan Linke
Greg Lofts
Ray Lokan
Colin Loveridge
Roy Low
Ross Lush

(pre-1907)

Norman Lemon

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Another two:

John Keane - Torrens
Trevor King - Sturt

John Keane - Torrens (North 1945 15 Games)
Trevor King - Sturt (North 1949 2 Games)

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Mc Mac

John McCarthy
Howard McEwen
George McInnes
Melville McInnes
Ronald McKail
Tom McKenzie (40's)
Bill McKenzie
Bill MacKay

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Garth Martin
James Matthews
Don Mellish
Bill Melville
Lislie Melvin
Fred Mesecke
John Millowick
Lindsay Mills
Edward Morris
William Morse
Clifford Mount
Vernon Mueller
Bruce Mullens
Robert Mumford
Cecil Murch
Dennis Murch
Les Myles

[LEGS 11]

William ("Bill") Edward Isaac, actually played for several clubs :
S.AD (1939-41,45)
W.T. (1936-7)
W.A (1938)
NWD-N.A (42-44).
He played primarily as a Full Forward, leading the goalkicking lists for each of those clubs, in most of the years he played. (Career Total= 497 goals)
I understand, he ended up at the Norwood-North combination during the war, because he basically couldn't get a game in the combined S.Ad team, but ended up with the Panthers, after the war.

[Ian]

Mc Mac


Bill McKenzie, is there 2 (already on list)
Bill MacKay, is this William (already on list)