by Bully » Fri Dec 13, 2013 8:01 pm
by norwood8 » Fri Dec 13, 2013 8:02 pm
Q. wrote:norwood8 wrote:Manufacturing in this country is going to continue on a downward spiral because of the ridiculous salaries these workers receive. The unions are to blame just as much as anyone, how can an industry that's struggling so much afford to continually increase wages and better working conditions. I'm all for people working hard and making a decent salary, but many of these workers who won't have the ability or skill-sets to work in different environments are getting paid too much. People who choose to gain a trade or undertake academic training/study should be rewarded for the hard work they have to put in, rather than see those who take the simpler (and somewhat easier) option often earning as much as they do.
Maybe the big wigs earning the huge dollars should do their job and make sure the company is innovative and ahead of the curve.
The failure was an inability to create demand for their product. This is not the factory worker's fault.
by Bully » Fri Dec 13, 2013 8:06 pm
by therisingblues » Sat Dec 14, 2013 1:12 am
dedja wrote:Exactly. Look at the sales of Japanese made cars in Australia, don't tell me the Jap workers aren't getting paid decent coin.
by Ian » Sat Dec 14, 2013 6:53 am
Not everything you think is Japanese still is, a lot of Japanese "Manufacturers" now have their cars made in Korea India or Thailand (look at the 1st digit on the Vehicle's VIN, if it doesn't start with a "J" it wasn't made in Japan) particularly their cheaper (good value) modelstherisingblues wrote:dedja wrote:Exactly. Look at the sales of Japanese made cars in Australia, don't tell me the Jap workers aren't getting paid decent coin.
I'll try to find this out.
by gadj1976 » Sat Dec 14, 2013 7:31 am
Pseudo wrote:gadj1976 wrote:Pseudo wrote:gadj1976 wrote:Sorry to throw the political element in but I don't get how Abbott is responsible for this though. The industry has been unsustainable for ages.
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Now if he'll just reduce funding on the arts and defence!
Got to pull you up on that one. With manufacturing about to die in the arse in SA, it becomes imperative to maintain (if not increase) funding for defence. The defence sector employs a proportionally massive amount of people in SA; if that were to go as well, Adelaide would become another Detroit. Furthermore one significant chunk of defence is manufacturing (subs, boats etc); this arm of defence has demand for the skills of workers about to be discarded by Holdens.
You're making a rather large assumption that the money given to Defence is spent effectively.
Throwing money at things doesn't fix them (see GMH for example).
And your assumption that defence is on par with the arts is how large, exactly?
by therisingblues » Sat Dec 14, 2013 12:41 pm
Ian wrote:Not everything you think is Japanese still is, a lot of Japanese "Manufacturers" now have their cars made in Korea India or Thailand (look at the 1st digit on the Vehicle's VIN, if it doesn't start with a "J" it wasn't made in Japan) particularly their cheaper (good value) modelstherisingblues wrote:dedja wrote:Exactly. Look at the sales of Japanese made cars in Australia, don't tell me the Jap workers aren't getting paid decent coin.
I'll try to find this out.
by dedja » Sat Dec 14, 2013 2:49 pm
by therisingblues » Sun Dec 15, 2013 2:03 am
by Ian » Sun Dec 15, 2013 8:46 am
therisingblues wrote:Ian wrote:Not everything you think is Japanese still is, a lot of Japanese "Manufacturers" now have their cars made in Korea India or Thailand (look at the 1st digit on the Vehicle's VIN, if it doesn't start with a "J" it wasn't made in Japan) particularly their cheaper (good value) modelstherisingblues wrote:dedja wrote:Exactly. Look at the sales of Japanese made cars in Australia, don't tell me the Jap workers aren't getting paid decent coin.
I'll try to find this out.
This is true, though the bit about license plate numbers is news to me.
by Ian » Sun Dec 15, 2013 8:52 am
dedja wrote:The fish wrap today claims labour costs are the same in Australia, USA and Japan at $35.70/hr.
There are 3 1/2 times as many Japanese cars imported compared to the number manufactured in Australia.
by therisingblues » Sun Dec 15, 2013 10:56 am
Ian wrote:therisingblues wrote:Ian wrote:Not everything you think is Japanese is, a lot of Japanese "Manufacturers" now have their cars made in Korea India or Thailand (look at the 1st digit on the Vehicle's VIN, if it doesn't start with a "J" it wasn't made in Japan) particularly their cheaper (good value) models
This is true, though the bit about license plate numbers is news to me.
Licence plate numbers?,...............................where were number plates mentioned?
by BIG SEXY » Sun Dec 15, 2013 3:12 pm
therisingblues wrote:Ian wrote:therisingblues wrote:Ian wrote:Not everything you think is Japanese is, a lot of Japanese "Manufacturers" now have their cars made in Korea India or Thailand (look at the 1st digit on the Vehicle's VIN, if it doesn't start with a "J" it wasn't made in Japan) particularly their cheaper (good value) models
This is true, though the bit about license plate numbers is news to me.
Licence plate numbers?,...............................where were number plates mentioned?
Didn't read that too well I think. anyway the bit about the VIN is news to me.
by Ian » Sun Dec 15, 2013 7:56 pm
BIG SEXY wrote:
This is correct, each vehicle manufactured has a vin, the first letter of that vin indicates where the vehicle was manufactured, australia is 6, Spain is v, Thailand is m (think those 2 are correct, if not swap the letters!) 1,4 and 5 are US, box head cars start with w.
That's the ones I can remember off the top of my head
by RustyCage » Tue Dec 17, 2013 8:19 pm
by gadj1976 » Wed Jan 15, 2014 7:50 pm
by kickinit » Wed Jan 15, 2014 8:17 pm
gadj1976 wrote:It's been good to see the king pin of GM say that the car industry was dead in the water in Australia (manufacturing wise) and no matter how much money was thrown at it it wouldn't have mattered.
Libs, certainly off the hook on this one IMO.
by tigerhutch » Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:00 am
gadj1976 wrote:It's been good to see the king pin of GM say that the car industry was dead in the water in Australia (manufacturing wise) and no matter how much money was thrown at it it wouldn't have mattered.
Libs, certainly off the hook on this one IMO.
by gadj1976 » Thu Jan 16, 2014 5:37 pm
kickinit wrote:gadj1976 wrote:It's been good to see the king pin of GM say that the car industry was dead in the water in Australia (manufacturing wise) and no matter how much money was thrown at it it wouldn't have mattered.
Libs, certainly off the hook on this one IMO.
he really should of removed car industry and replaced it with manufacturing industry.
by gadj1976 » Thu Jan 16, 2014 5:37 pm
tigerhutch wrote:gadj1976 wrote:It's been good to see the king pin of GM say that the car industry was dead in the water in Australia (manufacturing wise) and no matter how much money was thrown at it it wouldn't have mattered.
Libs, certainly off the hook on this one IMO.
and its very cold in adelaide today
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