by bulldogproud2 » Thu Feb 20, 2014 10:54 am
by bennymacca » Thu Feb 20, 2014 10:55 am
by bulldogproud2 » Thu Feb 20, 2014 11:03 am
bennymacca wrote:I don't identify as an atheist either, I'm quite prepared to accept that some sort of god exists if there is a shred of evidence. Even a single shred
by bennymacca » Thu Feb 20, 2014 11:11 am
by Mr Beefy » Thu Feb 20, 2014 11:41 am
bennymacca wrote:I don't identify as an atheist either, I'm quite prepared to accept that some sort of god exists if there is a shred of evidence. Even a single shred
by tigerhutch » Thu Feb 20, 2014 11:52 am
Mr Beefy wrote:bennymacca wrote:I don't identify as an atheist either, I'm quite prepared to accept that some sort of god exists if there is a shred of evidence. Even a single shred
by bulldogproud2 » Thu Feb 20, 2014 11:55 am
bennymacca wrote:Those philosophies are not exclusive to Christianity. Buddhists and Jews and Muslims all believe in similar things. I don't follow any of these religions but support all of the things you mention.
Once again you cherry pick things that you agree with whilst completely ignoring things that can be disproven.
by Psyber » Thu Feb 20, 2014 11:56 am
bulldogproud2 wrote:Psyber wrote:I've always been inclined to the view that the unintelligent tend to embrace, heavily and obsessionally, faiths of one sort or another to give themselves a sense of direction, whether that faith is religious, political, philosophical, or whatever. And, of course there is more to intelligence than performance in an IQ test.
I was once professionally involved with dealing with problems generated by a guy who was a member of Mensa but who couldn't see the connection between his being the national secretary of the Australian Nazi party and his inability to get a lecturing job at a university anywhere in Oz despite his Ph.D. from ANU. He kept going back to, "But it shouldn't make any difference!"
My main "-ism" has always been individualism...
(But with a heart to some degree - the degree depending on the point of view of the observer, of course.)
I don't think it is fair to say that those who embrace religion are unintelligent. The alternative is that everything simply happened by random chance. I would love to know where intelligence, emotions, the ability to procreate etc. came from if it was all by random chance. Over 70% of Australians still class themselves as belonging to a religion. Does that mean that we have an incredibly unintelligent population?? Have you considered, as many have, that science has enlightened us to some of the processes God has used (e.g. evolution) but it has never been able to fully disprove the existence of God.
Cheers
by The Sleeping Giant » Thu Feb 20, 2014 11:57 am
bennymacca wrote:Also, the fact that we could be here just purely because of chance scares the shit out of people, because they like to think there is some higher purpose that makes their meaningless existence, well, meaningful.
by bennymacca » Thu Feb 20, 2014 11:59 am
by Psyber » Thu Feb 20, 2014 12:03 pm
bennymacca wrote:We are not a snake or a shark. Claiming that a Virgin birth for a human is compatible with science is utterly ridiculous
by bulldogproud2 » Thu Feb 20, 2014 12:12 pm
Psyber wrote:bennymacca wrote:We are not a snake or a shark. Claiming that a Virgin birth for a human is compatible with science is utterly ridiculous
There was a medieval street play tolerated by the Catholic church at the time in which Joseph was portrayed as challenging Mary about the possibility of virgin birth. Of course the Church tolerated it because it accepted Joseph's scepticism but then refuted it and showed him coming to believe it. This was their way of delaing with public scepticism at the time.
Unfortunately, it is so long ago that I read about I can no longer remember the source.
by bulldogproud2 » Thu Feb 20, 2014 12:20 pm
bennymacca wrote:Those philosophies are not exclusive to Christianity. Buddhists and Jews and Muslims all believe in similar things. I don't follow any of these religions but support all of the things you mention.
Once again you cherry pick things that you agree with whilst completely ignoring things that can be disproven.
by Leaping Lindner » Thu Feb 20, 2014 12:24 pm
tigerhutch wrote:Mr Beefy wrote:bennymacca wrote:I don't identify as an atheist either, I'm quite prepared to accept that some sort of god exists if there is a shred of evidence. Even a single shred
I dont think thats Malcolm I think its someone whom has been a very naughty boy
by bulldogproud2 » Thu Feb 20, 2014 12:27 pm
bennymacca wrote:I am not trying to disprove that god it at work with evolution. But it sure as hell doesn't say anywhere in the bible that he does. It does however say that he created the earth 6000 years ago, man first, then animals after that. And we know all of that to be false.
If I told you that there were invisible aliens from space walking amongst us right now you would think I am a looney. Ah, but science can't prove they are not there, so it must be true!
You can't deny the existence of a god with science, but you can definitely poke some holes in the bible and how most of it was designed to give people comfort in the fact that they couldn't explain the world around them, 2000 years ago
by smac » Thu Feb 20, 2014 12:27 pm
bulldogproud2 wrote:bennymacca wrote:Those philosophies are not exclusive to Christianity. Buddhists and Jews and Muslims all believe in similar things. I don't follow any of these religions but support all of the things you mention.
Once again you cherry pick things that you agree with whilst completely ignoring things that can be disproven.
As do you. It cannot be disproven that evolution is God's way of working in the world. However, you dismiss the fact that God could be involved in the process.
Okay, I should have gone a step further and stated that I believe that Jesus is indeed the son of God. It is a personal belief that others may not accept but I have my reasons, as do all for having their beliefs.
Cheers
by bulldogproud2 » Thu Feb 20, 2014 12:29 pm
Psyber wrote:bulldogproud2 wrote:Psyber wrote:I've always been inclined to the view that the unintelligent tend to embrace, heavily and obsessionally, faiths of one sort or another to give themselves a sense of direction, whether that faith is religious, political, philosophical, or whatever. And, of course there is more to intelligence than performance in an IQ test.
I was once professionally involved with dealing with problems generated by a guy who was a member of Mensa but who couldn't see the connection between his being the national secretary of the Australian Nazi party and his inability to get a lecturing job at a university anywhere in Oz despite his Ph.D. from ANU. He kept going back to, "But it shouldn't make any difference!"
My main "-ism" has always been individualism...
(But with a heart to some degree - the degree depending on the point of view of the observer, of course.)
I don't think it is fair to say that those who embrace religion are unintelligent. The alternative is that everything simply happened by random chance. I would love to know where intelligence, emotions, the ability to procreate etc. came from if it was all by random chance. Over 70% of Australians still class themselves as belonging to a religion. Does that mean that we have an incredibly unintelligent population?? Have you considered, as many have, that science has enlightened us to some of the processes God has used (e.g. evolution) but it has never been able to fully disprove the existence of God.
Cheers
I didn't say that - the key words were heavily and obsessionally.
I have a close friend who is a very well regarded Barrister in Adelaide who is a practising Christian.
We get on well and only touch lightly on our diversion - his Christianity and my atheism.
Intellectually I have to take the Agnostic position because nothing can be proven either way.
But at the emotional level I am inclined to Atheism, just not heavily and obsessionally - that is I don't push it at people.
My belief is tempered by my intellectual awareness.
That is akin to my political life - emotionally I am an individualist, but intellectually I know there are people who do need help and are not just bludging, and I give to charity, and sympathise with some socially left policies, and advocate for them in my political circles.
I simply object to the authoritarians who want to impose their Collectivism on me!
by Psyber » Thu Feb 20, 2014 12:31 pm
by bulldogproud2 » Thu Feb 20, 2014 12:35 pm
The Sleeping Giant wrote:bulldogproud2 wrote:
I don't think it is fair to say that those who embrace religion are unintelligent. The alternative is that everything simply happened by random chance. I would love to know where intelligence, emotions, the ability to procreate etc. came from if it was all by random chance. Over 70% of Australians still class themselves as belonging to a religion. Does that mean that we have an incredibly unintelligent population?? Have you considered, as many have, that science has enlightened us to some of the processes God has used (e.g. evolution) but it has never been able to fully disprove the existence of God.
Cheers
Science has proved many things. Religion has proved nothing. Religion is the community that has to prove God exists.
I find religious people unintelligent, scared and ignorant. Unable to accept other peoples opinions, unable to let people live as they choose and unable to accept people living outside the hive mind.
p.s. Love this part of your post. "Have you considered, as many have, that science has enlightened us to some of the processes God has used (e.g. evolution)". That's enough random internet posts for me tonight. Staggering.
by tigerhutch » Thu Feb 20, 2014 12:55 pm
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