by bennymacca » Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:56 pm
by bulldogproud2 » Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:57 pm
Jimmy_041 wrote:Q. wrote:bulldogproud2 wrote:Not publicising the boats coming into Australia has very little, if any, impact on asylum seekers travelling to Australia.
That's because most come by plane.
They all have visas Q - different problem
by bennymacca » Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:57 pm
Jimmy_041 wrote:go through the process.
You either do it in another country or here, but you have to prove your claim.
And if you do it here; don't expect 5 star treatment.
by Jimmy_041 » Thu Feb 20, 2014 4:06 pm
bulldogproud2 wrote:Jimmy_041 wrote:Don't get me wrong - I actually believe in allowing more refugees into the country does not mean asylum seekers.
Refugees are not refugees until proven as such.
Of course they are going to state they fear for their lives.
They have to say that and they have been told to say that or it's no entry.
We have every right to investigate whether that is true or not.
I'm talking $5-6k per person to get here.
Allowing people to think they can easily get in is only fuelling the rip-off.
It doesn't matter if one or more people contribute.
If we let people think you can just jump on a boat and you get in, then it is just going to get worse.
Not accepting them in the country until they are processed and their claims to refugee status are justified will make people think twice about paying the money.
Publicizing that you are going to an offshore detention centre will make people think twice about trying.
Not publicizing boats landing here will make people think twice about trying.
I'm really not sure what you want - completely open borders?
If so, you are completely out of step with the majority of Australians.
Let's just scrap visas and let everyone in
And, sorry, (even if I sound like Scott Morrison) being illiterate, or not speaking English, is no excuse to avoid a country's laws.
If you want something bad enough, you'll find a way to fill in the form.
It still gets down to the promises made to these people to take their money and we should be doing everything to show those promises are false, and that's what we are doing.
Jimmy,
Re them stating that they are fearing for their lives, yes, they will tell the government that. However, why tell a journalist this if it is not true? The journalist has no say in their ability to get into Australia. Because they have been told to say it to get into the country and they know it will be published. The journalist has not checked the veracity of their claim
As for my views re letting asylum seekers in: I fully support processing. However, I do not think that they should have to wait 30 years to be processed! I think that they should be able to be fully processed within a six month period. I also support processing centres being established in Indonesia to lower the amount travelling by boats. Agreed, but maybe it takes longer to check out someone without a passport. It's not our risk - it's there's. They are not coming in until everything is properly checked. Tough, but too bad. That's the risk they take.
Not publicising the boats coming into Australia has very little, if any, impact on asylum seekers travelling to Australia. It is typhoon season currently and that is why there are very few boats coming. Wait until April and you will see that the boats have definitely not stopped. Maybe not, but I haven't seen any evidence to support whether it is working or not. Anything is worth a try especially if it is part of an overall plan. Some people just want it to fail for their own reasons.
From what you write, it always appears that Australia is being swamped by asylum seekers. Do not forget that we are 46th on the list. Surely, as a well developed nation, we should be doing more about this problem, should we not? Good point (which I have previously raised about just opening up the borders to anyone) Let's hope we dont get to No 1 and that's why we are doing what we are. We control our borders, and the no. of refugees we allow in, not them
by bennymacca » Thu Feb 20, 2014 4:09 pm
by Jimmy_041 » Thu Feb 20, 2014 4:12 pm
bulldogproud2 wrote:Jimmy_041 wrote:Q. wrote:bulldogproud2 wrote:Not publicising the boats coming into Australia has very little, if any, impact on asylum seekers travelling to Australia.
That's because most come by plane.
They all have visas Q - different problem
Yes, but these represent the much higher proportion of asylum seekers who prove to not be genuine and do not gain refugee status.
Cheers
by Jimmy_041 » Thu Feb 20, 2014 4:15 pm
bennymacca wrote:Once again implicit in your reasoning is that these people are doing something wrong by coming here.
by tigerpie » Thu Feb 20, 2014 4:34 pm
by Jimmy_041 » Thu Feb 20, 2014 4:40 pm
by bennymacca » Thu Feb 20, 2014 5:05 pm
by Q. » Thu Feb 20, 2014 5:18 pm
tigerpie wrote:Call me xenophic or whatever label you like, i'm glad we are being diligent and checking EVERYONES claims fairly.
by Q. » Thu Feb 20, 2014 5:20 pm
by Psyber » Thu Feb 20, 2014 5:30 pm
by Jimmy_041 » Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:46 pm
Q. wrote:tigerpie wrote:Call me xenophic or whatever label you like, i'm glad we are being diligent and checking EVERYONES claims fairly.
It's not xenophobic. No doubt we should be diligent, process boat arrivals onshore like we process plane arrivals and save us from political point scoring and wasted taxpayer dollars.
by Jimmy_041 » Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:49 pm
bennymacca wrote:Tigerpie more than 90% of boat arrivals are assessed as genuine refugees.
by bennymacca » Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:50 pm
by Jimmy_041 » Thu Feb 20, 2014 10:51 pm
bennymacca wrote:im not sure why you are arguing for processing jimmy, noone is suggesting that they shouldnt be processed.
by bennymacca » Fri Feb 21, 2014 8:05 am
by Jimmy_041 » Fri Feb 21, 2014 10:17 am
by tigerpie » Fri Feb 21, 2014 10:28 am
bennymacca wrote:Tigerpie more than 90% of boat arrivals are assessed as genuine refugees.
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