by Robb_Stark » Wed Mar 26, 2014 4:43 pm
by Phantom Gossiper » Wed Mar 26, 2014 4:48 pm
jo172 wrote:While we're at it should we place a cap on the number of senior teams that should be allowed to be fielded by an individual club?
by jo172 » Wed Mar 26, 2014 5:21 pm
Phantom Gossiper wrote:jo172 wrote:While we're at it should we place a cap on the number of senior teams that should be allowed to be fielded by an individual club?
This has more merit than capping juniors..
by Pag » Wed Mar 26, 2014 7:41 pm
by TEX07 » Wed Mar 26, 2014 8:23 pm
jo172 wrote:Robb_Stark wrote:do you want me to name all the clubs last year who 2 or more teams in the same age bracket and while im at it do i put postcodes in as examples to see just where these kids are coming from to play at certain clubs in the northern areas.......these clubs only care for themselves and not the overall comp......this is the problem 65 clubs none give a shit about the other and all want whats best for that club at the expense of other clubs rather then work together to promote the game and make sure the players are spread around
Why should stronger clubs facilitate the passage of juniors to weaker clubs (within reason)?
By all means if they're carrying squads of 30+ and kids are missing out on a game that's poor form, but if they have the numbers to fill two (or more) sides in an age group why on earth should they shut the door on kids who want to play at their footy club?
There's a reason the strong clubs are strong and it's not through coincidence or junior poaching. It's because they have longstanding committees who work incredibly hard on the juniors and are filled with tremendous amounts of volunteers which lead to better facilities.
I suspect if for example Tea Tree Gully said thanks but we're not allowed more than one team to children the children's experiences at less well run clubs would be far inferior to those playing in a second squad at Tea Tree Gully.
While we're at it should we place a cap on the number of senior teams that should be allowed to be fielded by an individual club?
by marbles » Wed Mar 26, 2014 8:47 pm
by Yank Man » Wed Mar 26, 2014 8:55 pm
by TEX07 » Wed Mar 26, 2014 8:58 pm
marbles wrote:my kid wanted to play for morphett vale, if they were full he would hav gone to hackham simple
when i played under 15s i tried out for seaton rams, they kicked me out, so i went woody south. in round 1 i kicked 4 goals on the rams hahar
4 senior teams per club, and 2 teams maximum per age group in the juniors. done.
by Yank Man » Wed Mar 26, 2014 9:03 pm
scottroo wrote:jesus, which 4 is thatyankman
by TEX07 » Wed Mar 26, 2014 9:07 pm
Yank Man wrote:Footy Chick started this to determine why clubs get in strife. So sticking to the point, from a Mitchell Park perspective when I came to the club in 2010 we identified recruitment. Being close to so many SAAFL clubs we looked outside the square and went south. The SFL has many good players who struggle to play A's but can be highly competitive in Div 7 (where we were at the time). We got good players, some 22, over 2 years and promised them a premiership if they were prepared to do the hard yards. Unfortunately that was a career highlight for them and mission accomplished. Now they would rather suck tinnies and revel in the glory rather than put in again and be competitive at a higher level. Some have gone south again, some have other agendas and the die hard oldies have families and achieved a lifetime dream. There is no formula to keep your club up and about other than a successful junior programme. Money don't buy love, promises don't buy love, but a kid who has played 50 to 100 games in the juniors??))) Most of them love you forever and don't expect to get paid, maybe except for one who is very good and being chased by other clubs. In that case then of course you do what you can to accommodate him. Frankly I'm staggered that 4 of our best players, in a struggling Div 6 club, have been offered between $200 and $450 a game to desert us. Thank God they remain loyal.
by Yank Man » Wed Mar 26, 2014 9:10 pm
marbles wrote:my kid wanted to play for morphett vale, if they were full he would hav gone to hackham simple
when i played under 15s i tried out for seaton rams, they kicked me out, so i went woody south. in round 1 i kicked 4 goals on the rams hahar
4 senior teams per club, and 2 teams maximum per age group in the juniors. done.
by Yank Man » Wed Mar 26, 2014 9:13 pm
TEX07 wrote:Yank Man wrote:Footy Chick started this to determine why clubs get in strife. So sticking to the point, from a Mitchell Park perspective when I came to the club in 2010 we identified recruitment. Being close to so many SAAFL clubs we looked outside the square and went south. The SFL has many good players who struggle to play A's but can be highly competitive in Div 7 (where we were at the time). We got good players, some 22, over 2 years and promised them a premiership if they were prepared to do the hard yards. Unfortunately that was a career highlight for them and mission accomplished. Now they would rather suck tinnies and revel in the glory rather than put in again and be competitive at a higher level. Some have gone south again, some have other agendas and the die hard oldies have families and achieved a lifetime dream. There is no formula to keep your club up and about other than a successful junior programme. Money don't buy love, promises don't buy love, but a kid who has played 50 to 100 games in the juniors??))) Most of them love you forever and don't expect to get paid, maybe except for one who is very good and being chased by other clubs. In that case then of course you do what you can to accommodate him. Frankly I'm staggered that 4 of our best players, in a struggling Div 6 club, have been offered between $200 and $450 a game to desert us. Thank God they remain loyal.
I think juniors is a large part of why clubs struggle, my lad plays under 7s and I think his rego was $150 per season at a discount because I am also still attempting to play, there is around 20 players in his team and we have around the 16 teams I mentioned, do the math but good juniors = good money. Add to this each kid normally has two parents who may become a social member ($30 at ggfc) and most juniors pay their subs. Of course juniors isn't the be all and end all but they certainly help, if you have money in the bank, generally you survive.
by scottroo » Wed Mar 26, 2014 9:18 pm
Yank Man wrote:scottroo wrote:jesus, which 4 is thatyankman
Hahaha, nice, you should know you've had a crack at a couple.
by TEX07 » Wed Mar 26, 2014 9:22 pm
Yank Man wrote:TEX07 wrote:Yank Man wrote:Footy Chick started this to determine why clubs get in strife. So sticking to the point, from a Mitchell Park perspective when I came to the club in 2010 we identified recruitment. Being close to so many SAAFL clubs we looked outside the square and went south. The SFL has many good players who struggle to play A's but can be highly competitive in Div 7 (where we were at the time). We got good players, some 22, over 2 years and promised them a premiership if they were prepared to do the hard yards. Unfortunately that was a career highlight for them and mission accomplished. Now they would rather suck tinnies and revel in the glory rather than put in again and be competitive at a higher level. Some have gone south again, some have other agendas and the die hard oldies have families and achieved a lifetime dream. There is no formula to keep your club up and about other than a successful junior programme. Money don't buy love, promises don't buy love, but a kid who has played 50 to 100 games in the juniors??))) Most of them love you forever and don't expect to get paid, maybe except for one who is very good and being chased by other clubs. In that case then of course you do what you can to accommodate him. Frankly I'm staggered that 4 of our best players, in a struggling Div 6 club, have been offered between $200 and $450 a game to desert us. Thank God they remain loyal.
I think juniors is a large part of why clubs struggle, my lad plays under 7s and I think his rego was $150 per season at a discount because I am also still attempting to play, there is around 20 players in his team and we have around the 16 teams I mentioned, do the math but good juniors = good money. Add to this each kid normally has two parents who may become a social member ($30 at ggfc) and most juniors pay their subs. Of course juniors isn't the be all and end all but they certainly help, if you have money in the bank, generally you survive.
We charge our juniors $60 for subs. That's why they're growing nicely. Plus they bring in more income through the canteen and bbq etc etc than the seniors.
by The Rooster » Wed Mar 26, 2014 9:51 pm
by marbles » Wed Mar 26, 2014 10:03 pm
by Footy Chick » Wed Mar 26, 2014 10:18 pm
Gatt_Weasel wrote:if they (Walkerville) dont win the flag ill run around the block of my street naked :) you can grab a chair and enjoy the view
by X Runna » Wed Mar 26, 2014 10:20 pm
marbles wrote:there seems to be a massive confidence in these must have juniors theories, where every junior goes on to become a senior at the club
if your under 18s side has 12 players set to graduate to seniors each season, i doubt any more than 5 of them would continue on into the senior ranks. the prodigies scatter in my experience
by Cohiba » Wed Mar 26, 2014 10:47 pm
Robb_Stark wrote:Cohiba wrote:X Runna wrote:Robb_Stark wrote:probably 3-4 things that stand out
1.seems lot more people are quitting the game due to age/work/family
2.most Junior clubs have had a drop in numbers overall (yes we all know about the super clubs they are not effected)
3.clubs are a stone throw away from each other around the north that i know of so we all after the same people
4.parents dont want there kids playing football as they think it is to rough
its a big issue the power house clubs dont help the situation one bit trying to take every single kid to there club and stuff the rest......i personally can see in the future north clubs will either fold or merge as the numbers drop of while we all love our club lot are just so near each other that it creates huge problems
Your points are very valid. I know of several kids who have given it away over the years purely because they weren't able to get a regular game and Mum & Dad didn't like it so pulled them out. Maybe time for the junior associations to set a limit on the number of kids clubs can have in their respective age groups so they do head off to another club for a game.
How exactly would Clubs be "taking" every single kid to there Club so as to "stuff" the rest. Infrastructure, Volunteers, Environment, Coaches, Coercion, Door Knock appeal.....offering $$$ perhaps....
And the setting of a cap on the number of kids who live in proximity of Club or those wanting to go tryout at a specific Club because of mates there, to then be told sorry, we have our quota, but there other Clubs in other suburbs you can try out at.....providing they haven't also reached the cap level. I'm not sure how that would work....or how parents would react. Pretty sure I know how I would.....but then I might be in the minority....
do you want me to name all the clubs last year who 2 or more teams in the same age bracket and while im at it do i put postcodes in as examples to see just where these kids are coming from to play at certain clubs in the northern areas.......these clubs only care for themselves and not the overall comp......this is the problem 65 clubs none give a shit about the other and all want whats best for that club at the expense of other clubs rather then work together to promote the game and make sure the players are spread around
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