by 85 WAS A GOOD YEAR » Wed Aug 27, 2014 8:02 pm
by matt35 » Wed Aug 27, 2014 8:42 pm
by bennymacca » Wed Aug 27, 2014 8:51 pm
by JK » Wed Aug 27, 2014 8:59 pm
matt35 wrote:So, while we're at it, should we take out the less than 2k who showed up the week after Anzac Day for the rain/wind/hail affected Friday night game between Glenelg and Norwood? Glenelg were coming off a good win, Norwood always draw a good crowd, that game gets at least double that crowd on a good night. Then, let's take out the less than 2k crowd between Norwood and Centrals, again on a Friday night with rain and hail.
by PhilH » Wed Aug 27, 2014 9:07 pm
by bennymacca » Wed Aug 27, 2014 9:17 pm
PhilH wrote:Laptop with my figures being serviced at the moment should have something done by this time next week.
I do not think comparing April crowds with July's is right. Every club usually gets lower home crowds as the season goes along.
This happens to almost every club every year since I started taking decent records in 2005.
Port were the exception as they had Crows and Norwood as their last 2 matches.
The jury is still out for mine, re this having a positive or negative crowd effect over time.
I just think it is wrong for people to say that crowds are down this year.. In a specific example that might be right but overall for the league it is simply not factually correct.
The real comparison will be next year when we have 2 sets of matching figures to look at.
As for taking out special games, this assumes there were no special games in previous years.
Anzac day Norwood North at the Parade to me would have got about 7k. West game in 2013 same venue got 6k
Glenelg crows with no Tex would have got at least 5k.
So those novelties taken out would still leave 10k increase.
by matt35 » Wed Aug 27, 2014 9:49 pm
by LPH » Wed Aug 27, 2014 10:04 pm
johntheclaret wrote:
Pro reservists like yourself seem happy to ignore these exceptional events and the distortion of the total count to support your argument that the inclusion of the reserves has been a success when a closer look at the stats might show a different picture.
A country game between Port and Crows is going to benefit the SANFL how?
Any new fans recruited are surely to support either of the two AFL clubs. You could go as far as saying that the SANFL might even lose out if example a young Sturt fan is converted to follow Adelaide Crows after going to the Clare game.
by Pseudo » Wed Aug 27, 2014 10:14 pm
PhilH wrote:Laptop with my figures being serviced at the moment should have something done by this time next week.
by JK » Wed Aug 27, 2014 11:19 pm
matt35 wrote:@JK
The scheduling of the Centrals v Norwood game at Elizabeth was not due to the AFL entry in to the competition. It was due to a request from channel Seven to play the match at an earlier time slot. Can't blame the Crows or Magpies for that!
by spell_check » Wed Aug 27, 2014 11:33 pm
Pseudo wrote:PhilH wrote:Laptop with my figures being serviced at the moment should have something done by this time next week.
@PhilH for each average figure you present I would appreciate also seeing variance and median. If it's not too much trouble, natch.
(edit) and another thing ... perhaps any argument regarding crowd changes across 2013-2014 ought to consider games between the sovereign 8 clubs in each year, among other things.
I'd be happy to knock up a few scripts to automate the above; got a bit of time on my hands for programming projects. PM me if you like.
by CUTTERMAN » Wed Aug 27, 2014 11:49 pm
by spell_check » Wed Aug 27, 2014 11:53 pm
CUTTERMAN wrote:I don't see how an average crowd figure being up on a previously low year by approx 300, yet being lower than the average crowd figure in 2011really has anything much to do with the integrity of the league, the figures can be argued both ways. The facts are Adelaide supporters are massive no shows to games and they add f-all to crowd attendances and revenue.
Isn't the problem the fact that we've got two teams working off an open salary cap and access to players that SANFL clubs can't draft? For me, arguing about 300 more per game depending on what year you compare it to is missing the main point.
by Pseudo » Thu Aug 28, 2014 12:11 am
by matt35 » Thu Aug 28, 2014 12:20 am
by spell_check » Thu Aug 28, 2014 1:12 am
Pseudo wrote:spelly, good work as always. Muchas gracias.
One thing - is the middle column really the median, or should that be the average? The middle figure exceeds the final figure in all cases, which is what I would expect if this were the average.
by wild dog » Thu Aug 28, 2014 1:32 am
by wild dog » Thu Aug 28, 2014 1:52 am
matt35 wrote:@JK
If it hadn't have been 2014, it most likely would have been 2015. Pretty obvious that the ABC is pulling out of covering state Football. They were on the verge of pulling out previously, and given the budget cuts covering state Football on a Saturday afternoon was hardly going to remain a high priority for them. They have now pulled out of the WAFL for 2015. Thank goodness the SANFL secured the Seven deal!
by JK » Thu Aug 28, 2014 7:11 am
matt35 wrote:@JK
If it hadn't have been 2014, it most likely would have been 2015. Pretty obvious that the ABC is pulling out of covering state Football. They were on the verge of pulling out previously, and given the budget cuts covering state Football on a Saturday afternoon was hardly going to remain a high priority for them. They have now pulled out of the WAFL for 2015. Thank goodness the SANFL secured the Seven deal!
by JK » Thu Aug 28, 2014 7:16 am
wild dog wrote:matt35 wrote:@JK
If it hadn't have been 2014, it most likely would have been 2015. Pretty obvious that the ABC is pulling out of covering state Football. They were on the verge of pulling out previously, and given the budget cuts covering state Football on a Saturday afternoon was hardly going to remain a high priority for them. They have now pulled out of the WAFL for 2015. Thank goodness the SANFL secured the Seven deal!
With the Abbott budget I agree that the ABC probably would not have gone much further than 2015 with the SANFL although that is conjecture. However the SANFL may have been in a much more healthier budgetary position to up the ante if we had remained reserves free. I wonder what will happen with the VFL and the Queensland and NSW televised state leagues. Does not seem to be a great deal of pressure there at this stage.
As for the 7 deal, the SANFL is exposed to a relatively untested market, and should that rapidly alter next year they are exposed to the whole lot, not just a co contribution. I hope the clubs are benefitting from the increased ratings of this year; will be interesting come years end.
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