Bali Nine - is the death penalty justice?

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Re: Bali Nine - is the death penalty justice?

Postby TEX07 » Mon Mar 16, 2015 1:17 pm

Q. wrote:I didn't know that empathy was a finite resource.


I find it difficult to feel any empathy or pity for these guys and then feel the same way about children who have battled and not made it - maybe its levels of empathy but the way I see it - as much as I disagree with it - death penalty is the maximum punishment for drug smugglers in Indonesia - has been this way for as long as I have been around and is 100% avoidable - don't smuggle drugs - its that simple IMO.

I read the article on the boy from the Barossa in the weekends paper and had a lump in my throat - I don't know him or his family but to have his life cut so short is the real tragedy. Again this is only my opinion and for what its worth I am against the death penalty and if they get to live than that is good but if they die then I personally will not feel the same way as I do when others pass.
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Re: Bali Nine - is the death penalty justice?

Postby heater31 » Mon Mar 16, 2015 1:19 pm

TEX07 wrote:
Q. wrote:I didn't know that empathy was a finite resource.


I find it difficult to feel any empathy or pity for these guys and then feel the same way about children who have battled and not made it - maybe its levels of empathy but the way I see it - as much as I disagree with it - death penalty is the maximum punishment for drug smugglers in Indonesia - has been this way for as long as I have been around and is 100% avoidable - don't smuggle drugs - its that simple IMO.

I read the article on the boy from the Barossa in the weekends paper and had a lump in my throat - I don't know him or his family but to have his life cut so short is the real tragedy. Again this is only my opinion and for what its worth I am against the death penalty and if they get to live than that is good but if they die then I personally will not feel the same way as I do when others pass.

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Re: Bali Nine - is the death penalty justice?

Postby Dog_ger » Sun Mar 29, 2015 3:25 pm

if they never got caught, would they still be doing it and destroying lives.

Living a high life style at the cost of destroying lives.

Pulling out their boat from their garage, hooking it up to their new 4 wheel drive and driving off to have a wonderful weekend.

While other families dependant on drugs are destroyed.

I have no sympathy. What if it was your children.

I feel for the parents of these people but sorry guys,

mess with my children and I hope to have the opportunity to pull the trigger.
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Re: Bali Nine - is the death penalty justice?

Postby Dog_ger » Wed Apr 08, 2015 6:08 pm

Bottom line...

If they didn't get caught they would be still doing it.

Maybe selling it cheap to your children so they get addicted and they can ask any price.

Tell me your thoughts now.

Maybe this should be another topic?
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Re: Bali Nine - is the death penalty justice?

Postby Q. » Wed Apr 08, 2015 6:23 pm

Bottom line, somebody immediately took their place in the drug dealing food chain and is still selling cheap to your kids so they can get addicted.
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Re: Bali Nine - is the death penalty justice?

Postby gadj1976 » Wed Apr 08, 2015 7:11 pm

Q. wrote:Bottom line, somebody immediately took their place in the drug dealing food chain and is still selling cheap to your kids so they can get addicted.


So taking the death penalty discussion away Q, what's the answer?
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Re: Bali Nine - is the death penalty justice?

Postby Jim05 » Wed Apr 08, 2015 7:28 pm

gadj1976 wrote:
Q. wrote:Bottom line, somebody immediately took their place in the drug dealing food chain and is still selling cheap to your kids so they can get addicted.


So taking the death penalty discussion away Q, what's the answer?

Im an advocate of the death penalty but I would be more than happy for them to spend the rest of their lives to rot in a Bali jail, no getting out early and definately not bringing them back here to complete their sentence
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Re: Bali Nine - is the death penalty justice?

Postby Q. » Wed Apr 08, 2015 7:30 pm

gadj1976 wrote:
Q. wrote:Bottom line, somebody immediately took their place in the drug dealing food chain and is still selling cheap to your kids so they can get addicted.


So taking the death penalty discussion away Q, what's the answer?


In a nutshell, legalise some drugs, use the tax return to spend on education, health and rehabilitation programs.
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Re: Bali Nine - is the death penalty justice?

Postby Booney » Thu Apr 09, 2015 12:03 pm

Q. wrote:
gadj1976 wrote:
Q. wrote:Bottom line, somebody immediately took their place in the drug dealing food chain and is still selling cheap to your kids so they can get addicted.


So taking the death penalty discussion away Q, what's the answer?


In a nutshell, legalise some drugs, use the tax return to spend on education, health and rehabilitation programs.


Black markets then sell unregulated poor quality drugs at cheaper than the regulated rates.
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Re: Bali Nine - is the death penalty justice?

Postby Q. » Thu Apr 09, 2015 1:12 pm

Consumer demand (in the drug market) is for quality.
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Re: Bali Nine - is the death penalty justice?

Postby MW » Thu Apr 09, 2015 1:20 pm

Q. wrote:
gadj1976 wrote:
Q. wrote:Bottom line, somebody immediately took their place in the drug dealing food chain and is still selling cheap to your kids so they can get addicted.


So taking the death penalty discussion away Q, what's the answer?


In a nutshell, legalise some drugs, use the tax return to spend on education, health and rehabilitation programs.


spend the tax return on rehabilitating those addicted to the drugs the tax was generated from... :?
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Re: Bali Nine - is the death penalty justice?

Postby Q. » Thu Apr 09, 2015 1:25 pm

Addicts make up a very small percentage of drug users, so yes, it does make sense.
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Re: Bali Nine - is the death penalty justice?

Postby MW » Thu Apr 09, 2015 1:30 pm

Q. wrote:Addicts make up a very small percentage of drug users, so yes, it does make sense.


what the? Addicts make up 100% of drug users! Why do you think they take it in the first place?
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Re: Bali Nine - is the death penalty justice?

Postby Booney » Thu Apr 09, 2015 1:32 pm

Q. wrote:Consumer demand (in the drug market) is for quality.


Until the price rises.
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Re: Bali Nine - is the death penalty justice?

Postby Q. » Thu Apr 09, 2015 1:35 pm

MW wrote:
Q. wrote:Addicts make up a very small percentage of drug users, so yes, it does make sense.


what the? Addicts make up 100% of drug users! Why do you think they take it in the first place?

i don't think you understand the definition of addict
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Re: Bali Nine - is the death penalty justice?

Postby Q. » Thu Apr 09, 2015 1:38 pm

Booney wrote:
Q. wrote:Consumer demand (in the drug market) is for quality.


Until the price rises.

If that was the case, we'd all be buying moonshine and backyard tobacco.
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Re: Bali Nine - is the death penalty justice?

Postby MW » Thu Apr 09, 2015 1:39 pm

Q. wrote:
MW wrote:
Q. wrote:Addicts make up a very small percentage of drug users, so yes, it does make sense.


what the? Addicts make up 100% of drug users! Why do you think they take it in the first place?

i don't think you understand the definition of addict


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Re: Bali Nine - is the death penalty justice?

Postby gadj1976 » Thu Apr 09, 2015 8:01 pm

Q. wrote:
gadj1976 wrote:
Q. wrote:Bottom line, somebody immediately took their place in the drug dealing food chain and is still selling cheap to your kids so they can get addicted.


So taking the death penalty discussion away Q, what's the answer?


In a nutshell, legalise some drugs, use the tax return to spend on education, health and rehabilitation programs.


I think that's the issue for me. Legalise "some drugs". What drugs? Won't people get introduced to the 'next/greatest' thing and therefore get into illicit drugs anyway?

What's it stopping? I really don't get how it will fix anything.

I'm certainly not having a go at you, I wanna learn! My kids aren't even teenagers yet, but I know they'll get exposed to it before too long and I want to be prepared - or prepared as I can.
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Re: Bali Nine - is the death penalty justice?

Postby RustyCage » Thu Apr 09, 2015 8:49 pm

What drugs would you legalise Q and where would they be made available commercially?
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Re: Bali Nine - is the death penalty justice?

Postby Q. » Fri Apr 10, 2015 12:21 pm

Start with marijuana. I'd like to see psychedelics decriminalised too.
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