by Rough » Thu Jul 02, 2015 10:01 pm
by cracka » Thu Jul 02, 2015 10:09 pm
Rough wrote:This is a genuine query without reflecting on any thing that has been posted here on what is an interesting and important topic at the moment but does any one know of a club that has folded because they spent too much money on recruits.
i am not talking about a club that has had to pull their heads in from time to time but clubs where their excessive player payments have caused them to fold. Really interested to know.
by Bag & Sledge » Thu Jul 02, 2015 10:15 pm
cracka wrote:Mr Beefy wrote:Jim05 wrote:Monopoly Man wrote:Isn't this whole campaign about protecting the SAAFL and SANFL? They are sick of losing players to country leagues for dollars.
Not sure the country leagues give a damn about the SAAFL, I know most people in the Barossa dont. Maybe the SAAFL need to catch up and charge entry fees.
Charge entry fees? So SAAFL clubs have more cash, causing country clubs to pay even more for their recruits?
Or causing country clubs to just use locals & NOT pay anything for recruits, there's a radical idea. Country clubs have been recruiting & overpaying players for 40 years so the blame for rising costs cant all be put on the APPS.
Maybe instead of APPS, clubs should have a local player scheme (LPS) where they have to use 75% (16 of 21 players) local, to qualify a player either has to have played junior footy at a club or live in the area, I know some clubs can offer work & accommodation as part of a package & rort the system.
by Bag & Sledge » Thu Jul 02, 2015 10:27 pm
Rough wrote:This is a genuine query without reflecting on any thing that has been posted here on what is an interesting and important topic at the moment but does any one know of a club that has folded because they spent too much money on recruits.
i am not talking about a club that has had to pull their heads in from time to time but clubs where their excessive player payments have caused them to fold. Really interested to know.
by cracka » Thu Jul 02, 2015 10:43 pm
Bag & Sledge wrote:The more locals the worse the standard of the A Grade.
You will have the current Reserves players who would have never had a look in at playing A Grade be a walk up start each week!!
Would you seriously watch that as the main game each week?
The standard would be deplorable!!
by Look Good In Leather » Thu Jul 02, 2015 11:11 pm
cracka wrote:Bag & Sledge wrote:The more locals the worse the standard of the A Grade.
You will have the current Reserves players who would have never had a look in at playing A Grade be a walk up start each week!!
Would you seriously watch that as the main game each week?
The standard would be deplorable!!
Yeah that would be sh!t just playing footy for the love of the game with your mates. Good to see you have such a low opinion of country footy.
by cracka » Thu Jul 02, 2015 11:18 pm
Look Good In Leather wrote:cracka wrote:Bag & Sledge wrote:The more locals the worse the standard of the A Grade.
You will have the current Reserves players who would have never had a look in at playing A Grade be a walk up start each week!!
Would you seriously watch that as the main game each week?
The standard would be deplorable!!
Yeah that would be sh!t just playing footy for the love of the game with your mates. Good to see you have such a low opinion of country footy.
That's what they are doing in the reserves at the moment. A few recruits are not going to stop that.
by Bag & Sledge » Thu Jul 02, 2015 11:18 pm
cracka wrote:Bag & Sledge wrote:The more locals the worse the standard of the A Grade.
You will have the current Reserves players who would have never had a look in at playing A Grade be a walk up start each week!!
Would you seriously watch that as the main game each week?
The standard would be deplorable!!
Yeah that would be sh!t just playing footy for the love of the game with your mates. Good to see you have such a low opinion of country footy.
by cracka » Thu Jul 02, 2015 11:33 pm
Bag & Sledge wrote:cracka wrote:Bag & Sledge wrote:The more locals the worse the standard of the A Grade.
You will have the current Reserves players who would have never had a look in at playing A Grade be a walk up start each week!!
Would you seriously watch that as the main game each week?
The standard would be deplorable!!
Yeah that would be sh!t just playing footy for the love of the game with your mates. Good to see you have such a low opinion of country footy.
All players play week to week with their mates as it is right now, what's your point??
What sort of product would you like to put out there for people to watch Cracka??
A decent game of country footy with some quality players to watch which has kids excited about wanting to play football or a sub standard kick and catch with no spectators and kids looking to other things like soccer and the like because that's the way it's heading.
by Bag & Sledge » Thu Jul 02, 2015 11:49 pm
cracka wrote:Bag & Sledge wrote:cracka wrote:Bag & Sledge wrote:The more locals the worse the standard of the A Grade.
You will have the current Reserves players who would have never had a look in at playing A Grade be a walk up start each week!!
Would you seriously watch that as the main game each week?
The standard would be deplorable!!
Yeah that would be sh!t just playing footy for the love of the game with your mates. Good to see you have such a low opinion of country footy.
All players play week to week with their mates as it is right now, what's your point??
What sort of product would you like to put out there for people to watch Cracka??
A decent game of country footy with some quality players to watch which has kids excited about wanting to play football or a sub standard kick and catch with no spectators and kids looking to other things like soccer and the like because that's the way it's heading.
My point was, I took offence to country footy being labelled deplorable if clubs don't or can't spend mega dollars on recruiting overpaid mercenaries. I think you can still have a decent game of country footy with just local community people, who the kids of the clubs can relate to. Crowd figures are down more now since all this recruiting is going on. kids nowadays are already looking to other things, not just soccer, my son is giving up footy next year to concentrate on downhilling & it's got nothing to do with how many recruits the club has. After Saturday downhill practice we usually head back to the footy club for a meal & catch up with friends, which is what I think country footy should be about, not which club has the biggest budget.
by cracka » Fri Jul 03, 2015 12:01 am
cracka wrote:Bag & Sledge wrote:cracka wrote:Bag & Sledge wrote:The more locals the worse the standard of the A Grade.
You will have the current Reserves players who would have never had a look in at playing A Grade be a walk up start each week!!
Would you seriously watch that as the main game each week?
The standard would be deplorable!!
Yeah that would be sh!t just playing footy for the love of the game with your mates. Good to see you have such a low opinion of country footy.
All players play week to week with their mates as it is right now, what's your point??
What sort of product would you like to put out there for people to watch Cracka??
A decent game of country footy with some quality players to watch which has kids excited about wanting to play football or a sub standard kick and catch with no spectators and kids looking to other things like soccer and the like because that's the way it's heading.
My point was, I took offence to country footy being labelled deplorable if clubs don't or can't spend mega dollars on recruiting overpaid mercenaries. I think you can still have a decent game of country footy with just local community people, who the kids of the clubs can relate to. Crowd figures are down more now since all this recruiting is going on. kids nowadays are already looking to other things, not just soccer, my son is giving up footy next year to concentrate on downhilling & it's got nothing to do with how many recruits the club has. After Saturday downhill practice we usually head back to the footy club for a meal & catch up with friends, which is what I think country footy should be about, not which club has the biggest budget.
Bag & Sledge wrote:Every team have more people back at their clubrooms post match when they are winning.
When they are losing people look elsewhere.
Winning creates Success.
So a club should work their backsides off to have success.
She was the last time your club tasted premiership success?
by cracka » Fri Jul 03, 2015 12:06 am
by batmanbegins » Fri Jul 03, 2015 12:09 am
by cracka » Fri Jul 03, 2015 12:18 am
batmanbegins wrote:Disagree, Whilst Ironbank aren't a successful club we had better numbers when we were coming bottom in around 2005. I can tell you we get no more supporters coming to watch just cos we have Hitchcock and Motlop. People invested in the club want to see the people that have played many years for the club as they have more interest in watching those people as they know them well. Once again Cracka knows better than I but by all accounts they still get plenty of people back to their club even though there struggling this year and I have no doubt they are working hard to succeed. I don't get how you can say clubs work their backside off for success, TV in the Hills comp have one guy that has a bucketload of cash and is the only reason they are any good. They spend no money on facilities, don't field the required Junior sides and yet have a great A grade side cos one guy spends big on them. That's not my definition of working hard to succeed.
by running defender » Fri Jul 03, 2015 1:27 am
by TheBull » Fri Jul 03, 2015 10:26 am
cracka wrote:Mr Beefy wrote:Jim05 wrote:Monopoly Man wrote:Isn't this whole campaign about protecting the SAAFL and SANFL? They are sick of losing players to country leagues for dollars.
Not sure the country leagues give a damn about the SAAFL, I know most people in the Barossa dont. Maybe the SAAFL need to catch up and charge entry fees.
Charge entry fees? So SAAFL clubs have more cash, causing country clubs to pay even more for their recruits?
Or causing country clubs to just use locals & NOT pay anything for recruits, there's a radical idea. Country clubs have been recruiting & overpaying players for 40 years so the blame for rising costs cant all be put on the APPS.
Maybe instead of APPS, clubs should have a local player scheme (LPS) where they have to use 75% (16 of 21 players) local, to qualify a player either has to have played junior footy at a club or live in the area, I know some clubs can offer work & accommodation as part of a package & rort the system.
by cracka » Fri Jul 03, 2015 11:56 am
TheBull wrote:cracka wrote:Or causing country clubs to just use locals & NOT pay anything for recruits, there's a radical idea. Country clubs have been recruiting & overpaying players for 40 years so the blame for rising costs cant all be put on the APPS.
Maybe instead of APPS, clubs should have a local player scheme (LPS) where they have to use 75% (16 of 21 players) local, to qualify a player either has to have played junior footy at a club or live in the area, I know some clubs can offer work & accommodation as part of a package & rort the system.
I see what you are saying Cracka, but what happens to the clubs Like Echunga that don't have access to the amount of juniors that an Onkas, Blackwood or Handorf will get? Won't this just leave them disadvantaged in all grades? Personally being able to pay players seems like a fair way to even the comp out and clubs have to know their limits, clubs who spend too much trying for success will fold. Clubs who can bring through good locals and recruit their specific needs will be the more successful clubs. Maybe sides like Onkas can get away with only paying 4 recruits which is great for them but this is a club by club case and each club should be allowed to find their own recipe. If a club has an ability to fund raise and use these funds to better their club well that's their prerogative. Having a blanket rule for all football across the state is going to aid some and kill others.
by cracka » Fri Jul 03, 2015 1:15 pm
by Ye Olde Place Kick » Sat Jul 04, 2015 11:27 am
by Ye Olde Place Kick » Sat Jul 04, 2015 11:41 am
cracka wrote:Mr Beefy wrote:Jim05 wrote:Monopoly Man wrote:Isn't this whole campaign about protecting the SAAFL and SANFL? They are sick of losing players to country leagues for dollars.
Not sure the country leagues give a damn about the SAAFL, I know most people in the Barossa dont. Maybe the SAAFL need to catch up and charge entry fees.
Charge entry fees? So SAAFL clubs have more cash, causing country clubs to pay even more for their recruits?
Or causing country clubs to just use locals & NOT pay anything for recruits, there's a radical idea. Country clubs have been recruiting & overpaying players for 40 years so the blame for rising costs cant all be put on the APPS.
Maybe instead of APPS, clubs should have a local player scheme (LPS) where they have to use 75% (16 of 21 players) local, to qualify a player either has to have played junior footy at a club or live in the area, I know some clubs can offer work & accommodation as part of a package & rort the system.
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