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Re: Carlton 2015

Postby bennymacca » Wed Aug 26, 2015 11:29 am

Why?

Probably one of the best sports scientists in the history of the game. As far as being a coach, I think he lacked imagination and gameday tactics to really be a good coach, but as far as preparing a team and a gameplan I think he was excellent.

The "crowbots" were a bloody good side that should have played in a couple of grand finals, but didnt. If Craig had been better able to make gameday moves I think we should have
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Re: Carlton 2015

Postby Lightning McQueen » Wed Aug 26, 2015 11:40 am

bennymacca wrote:Why?

Probably one of the best sports scientists in the history of the game. As far as being a coach, I think he lacked imagination and gameday tactics to really be a good coach, but as far as preparing a team and a gameplan I think he was excellent.

The "crowbots" were a bloody good side that should have played in a couple of grand finals, but didnt. If Craig had been better able to make gameday moves I think we should have

For the reasons you pointed out. He's offered no success wherever he's been, just rambles on a big pile of excruciating drivel that no one either follows or understands.
Footy is simple, you go out on the field and outscore the opposition, that's how you win, you shut the dangerous players down and focus on the strong points within your own group.
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Re: Carlton 2015

Postby bennymacca » Wed Aug 26, 2015 11:47 am

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bennymacca wrote:Why?

Probably one of the best sports scientists in the history of the game. As far as being a coach, I think he lacked imagination and gameday tactics to really be a good coach, but as far as preparing a team and a gameplan I think he was excellent.

The "crowbots" were a bloody good side that should have played in a couple of grand finals, but didnt. If Craig had been better able to make gameday moves I think we should have

For the reasons you pointed out. He's offered no success wherever he's been, just rambles on a big pile of excruciating drivel that no one either follows or understands.
Footy is simple, you go out on the field and outscore the opposition, that's how you win, you shut the dangerous players down and focus on the strong points within your own group.


It really isn't simple. Bulldogs and west coast prove that a lot of it is the team structure.

People have recently been talking about the game plan of Roos and Malthouse too, and how they are possibly outdated.
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Re: Carlton 2015

Postby Dogwatcher » Wed Aug 26, 2015 11:48 am

It's not surprising he's no longer coaching.
And it's certainly not surprising he is still in the industry.
I'd imagine he'd have plenty of good input, as he did prior to going into coaching.
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Re: Carlton 2015

Postby bennymacca » Wed Aug 26, 2015 11:49 am

Dogwatcher wrote:It's not surprising he's no longer coaching.
And it's certainly not surprising he is still in the industry.
I'd imagine he'd have plenty of good input, as he did prior to going into coaching.


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Re: Carlton 2015

Postby Lightning McQueen » Wed Aug 26, 2015 12:24 pm

bennymacca wrote:
It really isn't simple. Bulldogs and west coast prove that a lot of it is the team structure.

People have recently been talking about the game plan of Roos and Malthouse too, and how they are possibly outdated.


Matter of opinion, Bulldogs are good because they are a young group who've been let off the leash and are out there having a good hard crack at it, they did (as I suspected) hit the wall with travelling to Perth to take on the Eagles who have proved to be the most well drilled side who aren't reliant on anyone.
They are well coached and play to their strengths, they are well balanced and it;s an absolute tribute to them that they can sustain such a well balanced line up despite the obvious disasters they've endured this season.
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Re: Carlton 2015

Postby Lightning McQueen » Wed Aug 26, 2015 12:26 pm

Dogwatcher wrote:It's not surprising he's no longer coaching.
And it's certainly not surprising he is still in the industry.
I'd imagine he'd have plenty of good input, as he did prior to going into coaching.

Yeah, success has followed him everywhere. King Midas.
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Re: Carlton 2015

Postby JK » Wed Aug 26, 2015 12:26 pm

Lightning McQueen wrote:For the reasons you pointed out. He's offered no success wherever he's been


Im not a big NC fan, but Im not sure thats quite right.

In the SANFL he turned around a struggling Norwood, through great development of youngsters.

At the Crows in the Blight era he was generally regarded as the one who gave them a notable fitness advantage.

He turned the Crows around and probably should have taken them to a GF or two (as BM mentioned).

I don't think we'll ever see him back in the senior coaches chair at a club (and nor should he be), but I don't think he'd be the worst bloke to have a club in a supporting role.
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Re: Carlton 2015

Postby marbles » Thu Aug 27, 2015 11:48 am

Get Woosha blues get Woosha (Coaching Director)
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Re: Carlton 2015

Postby Spangas » Thu Aug 27, 2015 12:21 pm

Lightning McQueen wrote: Footy is simple, you go out on the field and outscore the opposition, that's how you win, you shut the dangerous players down and focus on the strong points within your own group.


A team that applies intense pressure on the ball-carrier for the entire game will always win. Only the most skillful players in the AFL hit targets (including kicking goals) under intense pressure (and there's not many floating around).
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Re: Carlton 2015

Postby bennymacca » Thu Aug 27, 2015 12:40 pm

marbles wrote:Get Woosha blues get Woosha (Coaching Director)


Talk on 360 is that Gerard reckons he will be the next coach of Essendon.

Robbo reckons he will only go to essendon if the crows decide he isnt their man, because surely being in the crows environment for half a year would mean he is more likely to stay if the crows offer him the job.

He also said Essendon is probably in a rebuild phase, which means you would have to be in it for the long haul, 5+ years, wheras the crows are significantly further along in their development

In any event Worsfold has significantly changed his comments in the space of a week - basically categorically denying he wanted to coach again early in the week, to basically throwing his hand up late in the week
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Re: Carlton 2015

Postby Jim05 » Thu Aug 27, 2015 1:12 pm

bennymacca wrote:
marbles wrote:Get Woosha blues get Woosha (Coaching Director)


Talk on 360 is that Gerard reckons he will be the next coach of Essendon.

Robbo reckons he will only go to essendon if the crows decide he isnt their man, because surely being in the crows environment for half a year would mean he is more likely to stay if the crows offer him the job.

He also said Essendon is probably in a rebuild phase, which means you would have to be in it for the long haul, 5+ years, wheras the crows are significantly further along in their development

In any event Worsfold has significantly changed his comments in the space of a week - basically categorically denying he wanted to coach again early in the week, to basically throwing his hand up late in the week

Yep has changed his tune a fair bit this week. Under current situation he would be mad not to choose Adelaide over us but I believe we are going to throw a fair bit of coin at him. The selection panel already had him on the short list but his recent comments will probably ramp up our chase for him. He would need to be willing to take up a 4-5 year contract and do plenty of hard yards if he came to us which may not suit him. If we are offering a $6m deal over 5 years it would be hard to resist
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Re: Carlton 2015

Postby bennymacca » Thu Aug 27, 2015 1:14 pm

apparently he is best mates with Murray Rance who is involved with Essendon somewhere along the line.

In terms of cash, i dont think there is anything the Bombers could offer that the Crows couldnt match, if they decide to
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Re: Carlton 2015

Postby marbles » Thu Aug 27, 2015 1:39 pm

if he is finding a sense of happiness doing what he is doing at the crows then wouldnt it be natural to just stay there and be the woosha campo combination
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Re: Carlton 2015

Postby gadj1976 » Thu Aug 27, 2015 1:42 pm

marbles wrote:Get Woosha blues get Woosha (Coaching Director)


I reckon that game plan of coaches of that era has gone by. Look at Roos, Eade, Malthouse. Their game plan (in my view) has been surpassed. I was happy when I found out he wasn't going for our role because we might've fallen into the same trap we did three years ago.

As Coaching director, I think that'd work.
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Re: Carlton 2015

Postby gadj1976 » Thu Aug 27, 2015 1:43 pm

bennymacca wrote:apparently he is best mates with Murray Rance who is involved with Essendon somewhere along the line.

In terms of cash, i dont think there is anything the Paul Little could offer that the Crows couldnt match, if they decide to


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Re: Carlton 2015

Postby Jim05 » Thu Aug 27, 2015 1:54 pm

bennymacca wrote:apparently he is best mates with Murray Rance who is involved with Essendon somewhere along the line.

In terms of cash, i dont think there is anything the Bombers could offer that the Crows couldnt match, if they decide to

Murray Rance is tied up with the Toll group, im sure Little would see him well compensated ;)
Probably be Little's parting gift for the club before he heads off
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Re: Carlton 2015

Postby PatowalongaPirate » Thu Aug 27, 2015 3:19 pm

Maybe Worsfold doesn't want to be the main man in a two team town again?
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Re: Carlton 2015

Postby bennymacca » Thu Aug 27, 2015 3:42 pm

PatowalongaPirate wrote:Maybe Worsfold doesn't want to be the main man in a two team town again?


do you honestly think carlton have been able to shy away from the scrutiny because they are in victoria? They have arguably been the most talked about team in the AFL
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Re: Carlton 2015

Postby PatowalongaPirate » Thu Aug 27, 2015 4:22 pm

bennymacca wrote:
PatowalongaPirate wrote:Maybe Worsfold doesn't want to be the main man in a two team town again?


do you honestly think carlton have been able to shy away from the scrutiny because they are in victoria? They have arguably been the most talked about team in the AFL


In a two team town you are either the most, the second, or equal most talked about club. There is no shying away from that......ever.
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