by RooShootOhh » Wed Sep 16, 2015 8:43 am
by Look Good In Leather » Wed Sep 16, 2015 10:49 am
RooShootOhh wrote:I wonder if a change to the points allocation would make life easier and give greater incentive for clubs to retain players.
What would be the outcome for clubs if the -1 point was taken away from U17 kids, but was applied to players who have played 100+ A Grade games for your club?
Most associations are 16 games per season, so it would be just over 6 full seasons without missing a game to become eligible. If you are lucky enough to play finals, you may get it just before the end of your 6th season.
Still capped at say 3 players.
I want to make it clear I'm all for junior development, and clubs should be trying to get the most out of their kids, but I wonder if its having a negative effect sometimes, the kid goes up to play A's. hardly gets on, doesn't enjoy, doesn't want to do it again (which is becoming common from what I'm hearing around the traps). The other thing is sometimes good local seniors may miss out on a game in the A's because of the clubs need to play a kid or two...
Rather than try and get around the system 'using' kids, why not reward clubs who manage to keep players at their club???
by RooShootOhh » Wed Sep 16, 2015 11:33 am
Look Good In Leather wrote:I have heard this suggested by others as well and it is a valid point.
However, should the discussion be more about abolishing the points system now the cap is in place?
by cracka » Wed Sep 16, 2015 12:08 pm
RooShootOhh wrote:Look Good In Leather wrote:I have heard this suggested by others as well and it is a valid point.
However, should the discussion be more about abolishing the points system now the cap is in place?
I agree it should be scrapped, but while the governing body oversee both Country and Ammo footy it probably wont happen.
The problem is both use it for different reasons.
Ammos use it to cap recruited players, but given EVERY team gets 15 points, its not used to even the divisions (thats what promotion & relegation is used for)
Country use it to even the comp...
If there not going to scrap it, why not give every country team 15 points and be done with it.
by Mr Beefy » Fri Oct 16, 2015 1:13 pm
by cracka » Fri Oct 16, 2015 7:11 pm
Mr Beefy wrote:For anyone interested in the Victorian PPS which is getting implemented in 2016, here is a snapshot. Each club gets 50 points to start with, although there is some discretion to allow more.VicPPS.JPG
http://www.aflvic.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/AFL-Victoria-Player-Points-System-Policy.pdf
by Mr Beefy » Sat Oct 17, 2015 9:30 am
cracka wrote:Mr Beefy wrote:For anyone interested in the Victorian PPS which is getting implemented in 2016, here is a snapshot. Each club gets 50 points to start with, although there is some discretion to allow more.VicPPS.JPG
http://www.aflvic.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/AFL-Victoria-Player-Points-System-Policy.pdf
Faaaark. Will make team selections a nightmare for any senior coach.
by oldbomber » Mon Oct 19, 2015 1:11 am
by Bag & Sledge » Tue Oct 20, 2015 10:58 am
by Jimmy_041 » Tue Oct 20, 2015 1:43 pm
Bag & Sledge wrote:How do the Community Football League and South Australian Amateur Football League allow Amateur clubs to pay their players anyway?
The Victorian Amaateur Football League still don't pay their players!
AMATEUR=
1. One who engages in an art, science, study, or athletic activity as a pastime rather than as a profession.
2. An athlete who has never accepted money, or who accepts money under restrictions specified by a regulatory body, for participating in a competition.
Is the South Australian Amateur Football League the only amateur football league in Australia that pay players?
by Look Good In Leather » Tue Oct 20, 2015 3:06 pm
Jimmy_041 wrote:Bag & Sledge wrote:How do the Community Football League and South Australian Amateur Football League allow Amateur clubs to pay their players anyway?
The Victorian Amaateur Football League still don't pay their players!
AMATEUR=
1. One who engages in an art, science, study, or athletic activity as a pastime rather than as a profession.
2. An athlete who has never accepted money, or who accepts money under restrictions specified by a regulatory body, for participating in a competition.
Is the South Australian Amateur Football League the only amateur football league in Australia that pay players?
You mean the "Channel 9 Adelaide Football League"?
by Jimmy_041 » Tue Oct 20, 2015 5:05 pm
Look Good In Leather wrote:Jimmy_041 wrote:Bag & Sledge wrote:How do the Community Football League and South Australian Amateur Football League allow Amateur clubs to pay their players anyway?
The Victorian Amaateur Football League still don't pay their players!
AMATEUR=
1. One who engages in an art, science, study, or athletic activity as a pastime rather than as a profession.
2. An athlete who has never accepted money, or who accepts money under restrictions specified by a regulatory body, for participating in a competition.
Is the South Australian Amateur Football League the only amateur football league in Australia that pay players?
You mean the "Channel 9 Adelaide Football League"?
That wear the state jumper for their association games as the "State Amateur Team"
by Benchwarmer » Mon Oct 26, 2015 5:01 pm
by oyster » Mon Oct 26, 2015 6:51 pm
Benchwarmer wrote:Points can be policed by anyone and infringements can be quickly and easily noted and penalised.
Salary caps are easily circumvented which defeats the purpose (e.g. skimming of gate takings to pay cash in hand, third party payments, raffles being diverted to players without going through the books, keeping two sets of books - one for auditing and the other being the real books, etc.).
I have been in sports admin at a statewide level and know that you cannot catch people unless they are stupid as the above methods are sure fire ways to get away with it ... unless you are the Melbourne Storm LOL
by Bag & Sledge » Mon Oct 26, 2015 8:48 pm
oyster wrote:Benchwarmer wrote:Points can be policed by anyone and infringements can be quickly and easily noted and penalised.
Salary caps are easily circumvented which defeats the purpose (e.g. skimming of gate takings to pay cash in hand, third party payments, raffles being diverted to players without going through the books, keeping two sets of books - one for auditing and the other being the real books, etc.).
I have been in sports admin at a statewide level and know that you cannot catch people unless they are stupid as the above methods are sure fire ways to get away with it ... unless you are the Melbourne Storm LOL
Spot on. Thats exactly why the rule is as useful as an ashtray on a motorbike. The very nature of coaches, players, football clubs and supporters is to try and win games of football and premierships. After a year of playing by the rules and seeing the other clubs not playing by the rules and having success, then human nature will kick in and payments will happen via all the methods you just described and then some. Why administrators have to try and justify their position by bringing in rules that will never work always astounds me. Administrators are about as useful as the ashtray on the said motorbike when they try to justify their positions with ridiculous rules. People just trying to look important when they finish playing while some never did which is even more astounding.
by Benchwarmer » Mon Oct 26, 2015 9:34 pm
by oyster » Mon Oct 26, 2015 10:01 pm
Benchwarmer wrote:One league in country WA has the points and the player points are printed in brackets beside the player's name in the league's Football Budget. No instances of clubs playing sides over the maximum points. Despite no other leagues using PPS in the region, clubs don't seem to be overspending and the points results in more thoughtful recruiting.
by oyster » Tue Oct 27, 2015 6:50 pm
by running defender » Tue Oct 27, 2015 10:55 pm
by oyster » Tue Oct 27, 2015 11:30 pm
running defender wrote:Any clubs having trouble recruiting players under this new salary cap,
Looks to me the brown paper bag business is going to boom this year.
How much does the zone registra get paid?
He's going to need a lot of petrol tickets chasing brown paper bags flying out car windows
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