Booney wrote:Anyone else of the understanding that you had to complete your action before being able to mankad someone? ie - roll the arm over and then you could have them.
The rule has changed, you have to be anywhere in your delivery stride.
Not quite - the batsman can leave his crease legally as soon as the bowler enters his delivery stride. My understanding is that the 'delivery stride' commences at back foot landing.
In this case his back foot had landed prior to him taking off the bails so it shouldn't have been given out IMO.
He never went into his delivery stride, he just ran past and took the bails off, didn't he?
Yep, I'm not right up to date with current interpretations, but for mine, he didn't even start his action, let alone complete it.
I've tried googling the rules, they are very sketchy.
The general consensus would be to not leave the crease until you see the ball pass by your left eye while a right arm over the wicket bowler is bowling.
Law 42.15 permits the bowler to attempt to run out the non-striker, but only before entering his delivery stride which starts when the bowler's back foot lands for that stride and ends when the front foot lands in the same stride.
However the rules have been changed to this which means that the batter was correctly given out:
The International Cricket Council, however, has altered Law 42.15 for matches under its jurisdiction to read:
"The bowler is permitted, before releasing the ball and provided he has not completed his usual delivery swing, to attempt to run out the non-striker."
Under this regulation a bowler should be deemed to have completed his delivery swing once his arm passes the normal point of ball release which should be interpreted as the moment when the delivery arm is at its highest point.
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Law 42.15 permits the bowler to attempt to run out the non-striker, but only before entering his delivery stride which starts when the bowler's back foot lands for that stride and ends when the front foot lands in the same stride.
However the rules have been changed to this which means that the batter was correctly given out:
The International Cricket Council, however, has altered Law 42.15 for matches under its jurisdiction to read:
"The bowler is permitted, before releasing the ball and provided he has not completed his usual delivery swing, to attempt to run out the non-striker."
Under this regulation a bowler should be deemed to have completed his delivery swing once his arm passes the normal point of ball release which should be interpreted as the moment when the delivery arm is at its highest point.
So which rule do we amateurs go by?
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The umpire was perfectly correct in this situation as the rules are quite clear. However as Daisy stated above it would be interesting to see whether amateur cricket uses those rules or still the old ones
daysofourlives wrote: So which rule do we amateurs go by?
This one......
The International Cricket Council, however, has altered Law 42.15 for matches under its jurisdiction to read:
"The bowler is permitted, before releasing the ball and provided he has not completed his usual delivery swing, to attempt to run out the non-striker."
Under this regulation a bowler should be deemed to have completed his delivery swing once his arm passes the normal point of ball release which should be interpreted as the moment when the delivery arm is at its highest point.
The rule change was pretty well publicised when it changed, so anyone involved who keeps an interest in these things should know. Most local cricket sides have a few blokes like that around.
bennymacca wrote:So when does a ball become "live" again?
When the bowler starts his runup? When he enters his delivery stride?
Technically, the ball is live when a bowler begins his runup. This is actually why umpires signal dead ball when a bowler aborts in his runup. A bowler can attempt to run out a non striker from that point until (as noted already) his arm goes over the top.
So Hypothetically if a bowler takes a few steps of his run up and were to spot a non-striker out of his crease could he bowl at the non-strikers stumps in a mankad/run-out attempt? (Fanciful situation, just mucking around with the rules and what ifs)
JK wrote:So Hypothetically if a bowler takes a few steps of his run up and were to spot a non-striker out of his crease could he bowl at the non-strikers stumps in a mankad/run-out attempt? (Fanciful situation, just mucking around with the rules and what ifs)
Yeah I think that's correct essentially that could happen
