by Grahaml » Sun Apr 24, 2016 11:35 pm
by LaughingKookaburra » Mon Apr 25, 2016 12:21 am
by Ruben Carter » Mon Apr 25, 2016 12:43 am
LaughingKookaburra wrote:
Still can't believe a senior player in Hartlett pointed at the scoreboard when the game was in the balance.
by Rik E Boy » Mon Apr 25, 2016 10:07 am
by gossipgirl » Mon Apr 25, 2016 6:05 pm
by bennymacca » Mon Apr 25, 2016 9:16 pm
by Booney » Tue Apr 26, 2016 9:15 am
bennymacca wrote:Gerard on 360 tonight said that port really need to start asking the question whether they actually have the talent to be a top 4 team, or whether they were just a middling team that had a purple patch a couple of years ago.
Looks more and more like the latter.
by bennymacca » Tue Apr 26, 2016 9:25 am
by mighty hounds » Tue Apr 26, 2016 9:26 am
Booney wrote:bennymacca wrote:Gerard on 360 tonight said that port really need to start asking the question whether they actually have the talent to be a top 4 team, or whether they were just a middling team that had a purple patch a couple of years ago.
Looks more and more like the latter.
Yes, and no.
We have the top end talent to be a top 4 team, I don't question the best 22 we could put out there are not being good enough, I think most would agree. Unfortunately two of them aren't there all year, one is laid up with a bad back and several are playing well below their best.
We just have no depth and none of the "kids" are coming on, having said that with the Monfries trade ( a second round pick ) in the '12 draft, Ryder ( picks 17 and 37 in the '14 draft ) and Dixon ( Pick 10 in '15 and second round pick in '16 ) we have not brought in much young talent for a few years. Not really an issue if the players you brought in are playing and in form.....while our core group is still young, Wines, Wingard, Boak, Hartlett, Gray etc etc we clearly looked at "topping up" more than "rebuilding", fair enough, 3rd in '14 suggested we were thereabouts.
The fact blokes like Stewart and O'Shea come in to make us "stronger" is a reflection on the list, it doesn't run deep enough. Having said that, put Schulz, Ryder, Monfries and Carlile back in the side and there's 4 who go back to SANFL level to make a case and the list looks a bit deeper all of a sudden. With the 4 of them out ( 2 all year ) we will never be at full strength.
I think the loss of Ryder and Monfries is greater than many expected, Lobbe's struggles are compounded with only kids ( Dougal Howard and Billy Frampton ) as back ups, Monfries forward 50 pressure is missed and Neade isn't a like for like replacement as Monfries, while good at ground level, plays taller than he is and can be the third/fourth lead up forward if needed to.
In brief, I'll back the "system", it beat Hawthorn twice in 2015, the process works when all are in form and pulling* in the same direction. At the moment it's form and personnel.
So is Healy right? Again, yes and no. We aren't at full strength to find out though.
by Booney » Tue Apr 26, 2016 9:30 am
bennymacca wrote:Is the the top end talent really there though?
Gray and Wingard would be the only genuine a graders and on form only gray. That's not top 4 standard.
Champion data listed the following pre season as above average
Ryder westhoff boak White Hartlett pittard wines hombsch Neade gray
How many of those have even got to the level of last year, let alone taken a step forward? Maybe hombsch? Sam gray hasn't backed up his pre season form.
As for the rest of the list, broadbent and Byrne jones can hold their heads high. That's about it.
It's not just your bottom end, it's your top end too.
Too many excuses at port at the moment.
by bennymacca » Tue Apr 26, 2016 9:36 am
by Jim05 » Tue Apr 26, 2016 9:41 am
Booney wrote:bennymacca wrote:Gerard on 360 tonight said that port really need to start asking the question whether they actually have the talent to be a top 4 team, or whether they were just a middling team that had a purple patch a couple of years ago.
Looks more and more like the latter.
Yes, and no.
We have the top end talent to be a top 4 team, I don't question the best 22 we could put out there are not being good enough, I think most would agree. Unfortunately two of them aren't there all year, one is laid up with a bad back and several are playing well below their best.
We just have no depth and none of the "kids" are coming on, having said that with the Monfries trade ( a second round pick ) in the '12 draft, Ryder ( picks 17 and 37 in the '14 draft ) and Dixon ( Pick 10 in '15 and second round pick in '16 ) we have not brought in much young talent for a few years. Not really an issue if the players you brought in are playing and in form.....while our core group is still young, Wines, Wingard, Boak, Hartlett, Gray etc etc we clearly looked at "topping up" more than "rebuilding", fair enough, 3rd in '14 suggested we were thereabouts.
The fact blokes like Stewart and O'Shea come in to make us "stronger" is a reflection on the list, it doesn't run deep enough. Having said that, put Schulz, Ryder, Monfries and Carlile back in the side and there's 4 who go back to SANFL level to make a case and the list looks a bit deeper all of a sudden. With the 4 of them out ( 2 all year ) we will never be at full strength.
I think the loss of Ryder and Monfries is greater than many expected, Lobbe's struggles are compounded with only kids ( Dougal Howard and Billy Frampton ) as back ups, Monfries forward 50 pressure is missed and Neade isn't a like for like replacement as Monfries, while good at ground level, plays taller than he is and can be the third/fourth lead up forward if needed to.
In brief, I'll back the "system", it beat Hawthorn twice in 2015, the process works when all are in form and pulling* in the same direction. At the moment it's form and personnel.
So is Healy right? Again, yes and no. We aren't at full strength to find out though.
by Booney » Tue Apr 26, 2016 9:48 am
by Corona Man » Tue Apr 26, 2016 9:49 am
by Booney » Tue Apr 26, 2016 9:51 am
by Jim05 » Tue Apr 26, 2016 9:55 am
Booney wrote:I disagree on the contracts, none of them are players I'd be moving on. None of them have lost the talent they used to take us to 3rd in '14, the form is clearly missing AND we've been worked out.
Plan "A" works, when it doesn't plan "B" or "C" doesn't exist,seemingly. Whilst our best form with this system wins, anything but that doesn't.
Damningly I think it boils down to effort, which is extremely frustrating and disappointing.
by Corona Man » Tue Apr 26, 2016 9:57 am
Booney wrote:If we didn't have the cattle, or I believed we didn't, I'd not be as disappointed as I am at the moment.
by Booney » Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:04 am
Jim05 wrote:Booney wrote:I disagree on the contracts, none of them are players I'd be moving on. None of them have lost the talent they used to take us to 3rd in '14, the form is clearly missing AND we've been worked out.
Plan "A" works, when it doesn't plan "B" or "C" doesn't exist,seemingly. Whilst our best form with this system wins, anything but that doesn't.
Damningly I think it boils down to effort, which is extremely frustrating and disappointing.
Do you think some of the effort can be put down a) players knowing they won't be dropped and b) taking it easy because they are on long term contracts and know they are safe?
Hartlett is the big one for me, walks around with his hands on his hips most of the game and then gives a cheap shot out every now and then, he then has the gall to point out the scoreboard to Scott and he is one of your leaders!
If they club is dinkum they will send his arse back to the two's along with Westhoff and Lobbe but you just know it will be Stewart and O'Shea who will make way
by Booney » Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:05 am
Corona Man wrote:Booney wrote:If we didn't have the cattle, or I believed we didn't, I'd not be as disappointed as I am at the moment.
Good chance they they can turn it around in the next 3 or 4 weeks. Richmond, Brisbane, Carlton and even West Coast at home are winnable...all of a sudden you are say 5-4, you are still in it. Premierships aren't won in April & May. Good to have you back Booney, missed your input on here...
by Spargo » Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:05 am
Corona Man wrote: Good to have you back Booney, missed your input on here...
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