by daysofourlives » Tue Sep 27, 2016 9:33 pm
by Wedgie » Wed Sep 28, 2016 8:35 am
daysofourlives wrote:Has anyone spared a thought for all those Bulldogs and Hawks supporters in these tough times.
I bet none of you have, you all just think about your bloody selves dont you!!
The last time at least one of these clubs wasnt in a GF Port beat Sturt and North beat Carlton.
Maybe there's some Crows fans out there who can give us some advice on being a neutral on Grand Final day
Armchair expert wrote:Such a great club are Geelong
by Footy Chick » Wed Sep 28, 2016 11:48 am
Gatt_Weasel wrote:if they (Walkerville) dont win the flag ill run around the block of my street naked :) you can grab a chair and enjoy the view
by Wedgie » Wed Sep 28, 2016 11:55 am
Footy Chick wrote:Quick, everyone get on the pingas and then go kill someone they don't like.
You'll get away with it..
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-09-28/cy-walsh-found-not-guilty-due-to-mental-incompetence/7884062
Armchair expert wrote:Such a great club are Geelong
by Booney » Wed Sep 28, 2016 11:55 am
by HH3 » Wed Sep 28, 2016 11:58 am
by Wedgie » Wed Sep 28, 2016 11:59 am
HH3 wrote:Drugs may have had a detrimental effect on his state of mind well prior to the night of the murder, so it could still have been a factor.
Armchair expert wrote:Such a great club are Geelong
by Footy Chick » Wed Sep 28, 2016 12:11 pm
Gatt_Weasel wrote:if they (Walkerville) dont win the flag ill run around the block of my street naked :) you can grab a chair and enjoy the view
by Booney » Wed Sep 28, 2016 12:41 pm
Footy Chick wrote:Mental health is thrown around too much today. Every other person has mental health issues and should no longer be able to be used as a defense against crime.
by Magellan » Wed Sep 28, 2016 12:51 pm
Wedgie wrote:HH3 wrote:Drugs may have had a detrimental effect on his state of mind well prior to the night of the murder, so it could still have been a factor.
So could have a visit from Martians.
by HH3 » Wed Sep 28, 2016 12:54 pm
Wedgie wrote:HH3 wrote:Drugs may have had a detrimental effect on his state of mind well prior to the night of the murder, so it could still have been a factor.
So could have a visit from Martians.
by The Big Shrek » Wed Sep 28, 2016 1:12 pm
by Booney » Wed Sep 28, 2016 1:15 pm
The Big Shrek wrote:http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/sa/consol_act/clca1935262/s269c.html
The rationale is that the criminal law punishes people who have a mens rea(guilty mind). people who are so unwell they don't know what they are doing, for example think they are stabbing an evil alien, don't deserve to be punished. However they are detained to protect the community.
Look at the section and s268. The law specifically excludes people who take drugs from having a defence. However persons with mental health issues are often very vulnerable and fall into drug use. It then gets very complicated.
People who think everyone on antidepressants can use this defence are wrong. The defendant has to be seriously unwell before it works.
I'd say 75% of the jail population has some mental health issue. 80% would be there because of drugs. Only a very few people can use this particular defence.
by bennymacca » Wed Sep 28, 2016 1:23 pm
by HH3 » Wed Sep 28, 2016 2:02 pm
Booney wrote:The Big Shrek wrote:http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/sa/consol_act/clca1935262/s269c.html
The rationale is that the criminal law punishes people who have a mens rea(guilty mind). people who are so unwell they don't know what they are doing, for example think they are stabbing an evil alien, don't deserve to be punished. However they are detained to protect the community.
Look at the section and s268. The law specifically excludes people who take drugs from having a defence. However persons with mental health issues are often very vulnerable and fall into drug use. It then gets very complicated.
People who think everyone on antidepressants can use this defence are wrong. The defendant has to be seriously unwell before it works.
I'd say 75% of the jail population has some mental health issue. 80% would be there because of drugs. Only a very few people can use this particular defence.
Thankyou our learned colleague. So "take some pingas and kill someone and get off" has no basis whatsoever.
by Booney » Wed Sep 28, 2016 2:07 pm
by HH3 » Wed Sep 28, 2016 2:08 pm
Booney wrote:Did mental illness cause the drug use, or did drug use cause the mental illness? Either way, anyone who is willing to voice an opinion on this who isn't fully informed in my view, shouldn't.
by Q. » Wed Sep 28, 2016 2:10 pm
by HH3 » Wed Sep 28, 2016 2:12 pm
Q. wrote:Mental illness often leads to substance abuse.
by Booney » Wed Sep 28, 2016 2:12 pm
HH3 wrote:Booney wrote:Did mental illness cause the drug use, or did drug use cause the mental illness? Either way, anyone who is willing to voice an opinion on this who isn't fully informed in my view, shouldn't.
Like you?
Your opinions to trust the court ruling, but thats still an opinion.
Some ruling need to be discussed, from both sides.
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