therisingblues wrote::lol:
I didn't mean to single that poor fella out. But I couldn't resist the irony of being told by a Crows fan that life is not fair.
That guy apparently is an Essendon supporter. And I reckon you would say suck it up princess
by cracka » Mon Jun 26, 2017 10:33 pm
therisingblues wrote::lol:
I didn't mean to single that poor fella out. But I couldn't resist the irony of being told by a Crows fan that life is not fair.
by cracka » Mon Jun 26, 2017 10:38 pm
cracka wrote:therisingblues wrote:cracka wrote:Wedgie wrote:Different kettle of fish Cracka, the VFA disbanded in the 90s and the VFA clubs chose to join a competition run by the VFL.
But still full time footballers vs part time
Yes, correct, and the part time footballer clubs are dying rather quickly in that comp. Have you noticed?
You will not find me on the relevant football board preaching to all the long time fans of that comp that the reserves are actually good for them. Carlton or not
Wont find you complaining relentlessly about the unfair advantages the AFL clubs have over the stand alone clubs on the relevant football boards either.
therisingblues wrote:No, we will find you on the relevant football board preaching that the reserves are good for the SANFL. Oh, and if it's not, that's because life is not fair.
by Jim05 » Mon Jun 26, 2017 10:38 pm
cracka wrote:johntheclaret wrote:cracka wrote:So going by your theory, if someone wanted to sue a major company & can only afford a lawyer who practices part time in that particular law then the company should also only be able to have a lawyer who practices part time in that particular law instead of the 20 full time professional lawyers they usually have. Welcome to fantasy land where everything has to be fair & even.
Bit confused at this post Cracka. You seem to be agreeing that having the two AFL Reserve teams competing in the SANFL is unfair, and anyone wanting the SANFL competition to be "fair & even" is in "fantasy land". Yet isn't the current structure of the AFL competition exactly that, designed to keep it "fair & even" by the order of the draft picks? You seem to want to have your cake and eat it, as my dad used to say.
Pretty sure the AFL gave leg ups to Brisbane, Sydney, Gold Coast & GWS that weren't fair. Also damn sure I've never complained about it
by Jim05 » Mon Jun 26, 2017 10:40 pm
MW wrote:It would become one very quickly.
by cracka » Mon Jun 26, 2017 11:01 pm
Jim05 wrote:cracka wrote:johntheclaret wrote:cracka wrote:So going by your theory, if someone wanted to sue a major company & can only afford a lawyer who practices part time in that particular law then the company should also only be able to have a lawyer who practices part time in that particular law instead of the 20 full time professional lawyers they usually have. Welcome to fantasy land where everything has to be fair & even.
Bit confused at this post Cracka. You seem to be agreeing that having the two AFL Reserve teams competing in the SANFL is unfair, and anyone wanting the SANFL competition to be "fair & even" is in "fantasy land". Yet isn't the current structure of the AFL competition exactly that, designed to keep it "fair & even" by the order of the draft picks? You seem to want to have your cake and eat it, as my dad used to say.
Pretty sure the AFL gave leg ups to Brisbane, Sydney, Gold Coast & GWS that weren't fair. Also damn sure I've never complained about it
I certainly did!
Hence why I'm quite happy to see the Lions struggling big time. The leg ups these expansion sides got was disgraceful
by Dutchy » Mon Jun 26, 2017 11:09 pm
Booney wrote:
So compete with amateur leagues on the same platforms that they base their operations? Community based, family friendly etc.
by Dutchy » Mon Jun 26, 2017 11:11 pm
Booney wrote:Would you be able to pay non-SA born recently delisted or retired AFL guys enough to move their families to SA?
Let's say a marquee player is currently getting $30-40,000. John Butcher, Paul Stewart, Mitch Grigg etc. What sort of coin would you need to flash in front of someone who wasn't born in SA, has no ties in SA, has never lived in SA, to move and play here at say age 24, 25 that has recently been delisted? At a guess, $80-100k plus? How many are you thinking each team would want, 2 or 3?
by CUTTERMAN » Tue Jun 27, 2017 12:29 am
Ronnie wrote:It will be interesting to see if there comes a time when struggling families, particularly in a state like SA, drop off in any meaningful number from the AFL, where they are helping to subsidize players who on average, will next year earn $370,000? The players in the AFL are so divorced from their own reality that some might have no choice if the disconnect gets any bigger. If that happens the SANFL and even some more prominent A1 clubs can hopefully get a bit more attention.
by Booney » Tue Jun 27, 2017 9:03 am
Dutchy wrote:Booney wrote:Would you be able to pay non-SA born recently delisted or retired AFL guys enough to move their families to SA?
Let's say a marquee player is currently getting $30-40,000. John Butcher, Paul Stewart, Mitch Grigg etc. What sort of coin would you need to flash in front of someone who wasn't born in SA, has no ties in SA, has never lived in SA, to move and play here at say age 24, 25 that has recently been delisted? At a guess, $80-100k plus? How many are you thinking each team would want, 2 or 3?
Happens now when you throw in a job with the sponsors and employ the partner at the club.
Plenty of examples in the last 10 years of this happening.
by Dutchy » Tue Jun 27, 2017 10:00 am
by Ronnie » Tue Jun 27, 2017 10:28 am
by Pseudo » Tue Jun 27, 2017 10:50 am
Dutchy wrote:SANFL and club admin need to work harder and invest in the competition, not just $$$$
Going back to 2013 and the GFC Members meeting, Chiggy basically admitted the AFL sides in SANFL was the easiest option and they saw it as the way forward. As many thought it was the golden bullet and with the sale of AAMI its fair to say admin have taken their eye off the ball and we are where we are today with the AFL cancers in and the comp going backwards.
Just like any competition in any sport at any level, hard work pays off.
Can anyone tell me if the Crows are visiting zoned schools in the week leading up to their game against SANFL clubs as promised? ive seen no evidence of this.
by therisingblues » Tue Jun 27, 2017 2:20 pm
Booney wrote:Dutchy wrote:Booney wrote:Would you be able to pay non-SA born recently delisted or retired AFL guys enough to move their families to SA?
Let's say a marquee player is currently getting $30-40,000. John Butcher, Paul Stewart, Mitch Grigg etc. What sort of coin would you need to flash in front of someone who wasn't born in SA, has no ties in SA, has never lived in SA, to move and play here at say age 24, 25 that has recently been delisted? At a guess, $80-100k plus? How many are you thinking each team would want, 2 or 3?
Happens now when you throw in a job with the sponsors and employ the partner at the club.
Plenty of examples in the last 10 years of this happening.
Plenty? Of one or two a year, can certainly attract SA people back, I agree, getting someone born and bred in Vic or WA to come here after an AFL career might be a little harder though. When I say AFL career I don't mean two years on a rookie list, if the competition is going to get stronger a rookie listed or two year senior list player isn't going to improve it much and you're not going to stump up $100k for someone like that.
I'm interested though, how is this funded? The AFL sides leave, the C7 exposure is cut or leaves, the sponsors get left with a barely reliable streaming service as exposure that is only really used by people who support the club and know who the sponsors are anyway,
So spending would have to go up, there's a high likely hood revenue goes down, you see it otherwise? ( revenue up? )
by Booney » Tue Jun 27, 2017 2:37 pm
Dutchy wrote:Play to the competitions strengths, suburban, tribal, local, 2nd tier footy based around the next best from the AFL....simply make it the competition that players want to be part of once their AFL career finishes or stalls. And one that the grassroots footballer wants to be part of.
Imagine a comp that seriously attracted ex-AFL players and the best of the Ammo's/Country (there are thousands playing each weekend that are good enough), it would be a serious 2nd tier comp
by JK » Tue Jun 27, 2017 2:37 pm
by mighty_tiger_79 » Tue Jun 27, 2017 2:38 pm
JK wrote:Plenty of whispers around that the SANFL will be REDUCING the Salary Cap next season
by JK » Tue Jun 27, 2017 2:41 pm
mighty_tiger_79 wrote:JK wrote:Plenty of whispers around that the SANFL will be REDUCING the Salary Cap next season
How does that help?
by therisingblues » Tue Jun 27, 2017 3:07 pm
Booney wrote:TRB, this was the start of that portion of this discussion.Dutchy wrote:Play to the competitions strengths, suburban, tribal, local, 2nd tier footy based around the next best from the AFL....simply make it the competition that players want to be part of once their AFL career finishes or stalls. And one that the grassroots footballer wants to be part of.
Imagine a comp that seriously attracted ex-AFL players and the best of the Ammo's/Country (there are thousands playing each weekend that are good enough), it would be a serious 2nd tier comp
by Booney » Tue Jun 27, 2017 3:24 pm
therisingblues wrote:Booney wrote:TRB, this was the start of that portion of this discussion.Dutchy wrote:Play to the competitions strengths, suburban, tribal, local, 2nd tier footy based around the next best from the AFL....simply make it the competition that players want to be part of once their AFL career finishes or stalls. And one that the grassroots footballer wants to be part of.
Imagine a comp that seriously attracted ex-AFL players and the best of the Ammo's/Country (there are thousands playing each weekend that are good enough), it would be a serious 2nd tier comp
Okay, I missed the start.
I wouldn't rule the possibility out altogether though. After all, this IS what the SANFL was before the reserves entered.
The level of popularity that the SANFL would attract if it returned to that model, albeit without current AFL players participating, is as yet an unknowm quantity. But an under recognised selling point of that old SANFL was that it was a more honest version of the game. Without the media saturation, the flashy lights, the players who've been personally trained to say the right things when a mic is stuck in their face, without the constant rule changes, etc.
The old SANFL far out performed the WAFL and other domestic leagues in terms of popularity. I believe the reason is that there is a true appreciation of the traditional aspect of life about South Australians. I reckon it is an innate understanding that there are more important things in life than flashy lights and seeing who can jump high enough each time some big corporation promises more flashy lights in exchange for souls. (Okay, that is comes across as a bit heavy, but it is a basic truth.)
I believe this is one of our state's strengths.
by Dutchy » Tue Jun 27, 2017 3:59 pm
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