by bertiebeatle » Tue Jul 25, 2017 11:08 am
by bertiebeatle » Tue Jul 25, 2017 11:12 am
am Bays wrote:morell wrote:If necessary.
You blokes will blow your tops when I start reeling out some choropleth maps.
Your "pretty charts" and "numbers arranged in columns" are pretty much meaningless until you provide a standard error of estimate/validation of the precision of champion data's "numbers" particularly when there is no quotient provided for inter-measurer reliability given the vast cohort of statisticians that they use.
PS my "eyes" tell me from Sunday that if you play Eddy this week give the 4 pt to St Kilda now.
i thoughts Pittards remonstrates where much improved on the weekend along with his stumbles. He is certainly playing with a much tighter man-bun ATM
by Booney » Tue Jul 25, 2017 11:14 am
bertiebeatle wrote:Hombsch & Pittard will both come in this week. Were our best 2 for the Maggies on Sunday
Amon still looked like he needed another run with the magpies
by bertiebeatle » Tue Jul 25, 2017 11:53 am
Booney wrote:bertiebeatle wrote:Hombsch & Pittard will both come in this week. Were our best 2 for the Maggies on Sunday
Amon still looked like he needed another run with the magpies
Two good judges tell me Young, Ah Chee and Amon were all better than the two mentioned above. One tells me, and I heard in the call, Pittard very lucky to escape the wrath of the SANFL tribunal.
Who do we drop for Pittard and Hombsch then?
by morell » Tue Jul 25, 2017 12:09 pm
The smalls wouldn't have been able to have such an impact if there wasn't a key position forward there to spread the defense, create holes, impact contests and bring the ball down. They're interconnected, in other words.bertiebeatle wrote:am Bays wrote:morell wrote:If necessary.
You blokes will blow your tops when I start reeling out some choropleth maps.
Your "pretty charts" and "numbers arranged in columns" are pretty much meaningless until you provide a standard error of estimate/validation of the precision of champion data's "numbers" particularly when there is no quotient provided for inter-measurer reliability given the vast cohort of statisticians that they use.
PS my "eyes" tell me from Sunday that if you play Eddy this week give the 4 pt to St Kilda now.
i thoughts Pittards remonstrates where much improved on the weekend along with his stumbles. He is certainly playing with a much tighter man-bun ATM
Eddy was invisible Sunday. The smalls had a field day where as he had no impact. Surprising considering the conditions were quite nice
by Jim05 » Tue Jul 25, 2017 12:29 pm
by Brodlach » Tue Jul 25, 2017 12:31 pm
Booney wrote:Ruben Carter wrote:carey wrote:morell wrote:morell's selection table :
Out - Wingard (inj), Austin, Impey
In - Eddy, Amon, Johnson
Young will come in for Wingard, they'll also bring Pittard back.
Surely Hombsch and Amon come back in?
Amon has had two runs back,I think he comes in to replace White on the outside. While White has more pace he's not got the finishing skills of Amon.
Hombsch, from what I understand, hasn't been super in his two games at SANFL level ( I haven't seen either, away for one and crook the other ) so unless match ups dictate I think Austin might stay in the side ahead of him.
Brodlach wrote:Rory Laird might end up the best IMO, he is an absolute jet. He has been in great form at the Bloods
by bertiebeatle » Tue Jul 25, 2017 1:48 pm
morell wrote:The smalls wouldn't have been able to have such an impact if there wasn't a key position forward there to spread the defense, create holes, impact contests and bring the ball down. They're interconnected, in other words.bertiebeatle wrote:am Bays wrote:morell wrote:If necessary.
You blokes will blow your tops when I start reeling out some choropleth maps.
Your "pretty charts" and "numbers arranged in columns" are pretty much meaningless until you provide a standard error of estimate/validation of the precision of champion data's "numbers" particularly when there is no quotient provided for inter-measurer reliability given the vast cohort of statisticians that they use.
PS my "eyes" tell me from Sunday that if you play Eddy this week give the 4 pt to St Kilda now.
i thoughts Pittards remonstrates where much improved on the weekend along with his stumbles. He is certainly playing with a much tighter man-bun ATM
Eddy was invisible Sunday. The smalls had a field day where as he had no impact. Surprising considering the conditions were quite nice
But I didn't see the game, but to be honest I don't really care who it is. We need another tall and/or bigger bodied forward in the Power side so Trengove can go back to his primary role. Pick whatever player fits the role who is in the best form out of:
Eddy
Marshall
Howard
Frampton
It also means we can drop Austin, who was absolutely awful, and put an experienced defender in his place. All the forward needs to do is equal what Trengove has been providing and no-one will convince me that anyone on that list above would do a worse job up forward.
So it's not about their direct output, but rather the boost in output it will provide others around them.
by morell » Tue Jul 25, 2017 2:10 pm
by Booney » Tue Jul 25, 2017 2:12 pm
morell wrote:We've had player break open the game and we still don't pick them.
They'd obviously have more information than us I understand that. And I get that on a spectrum of Structure vs Form I'm a far left extremist and it seems Ken is far right extremist, but just wish we would respect the roles the big lads provide a bit more.
by morell » Tue Jul 25, 2017 2:23 pm
by Booney » Tue Jul 25, 2017 2:27 pm
morell wrote:Would be good if he didn't have to be selfless though and could concentrate on taking marks and kicking goals instead of being everywhere for everyone at all times in every game.
The bloke's efforts this year have honestly been extraordinary. He ought to be very high in the BnF, but imagine if he had a foil to take one of the defenders way? We've all seen what hes when in a 1v1.
This is the thing, so many people get caught up on the individual "Howard isnt ready" "Eddy isnt in good form" "Marshall is too young" and forget the bigger picture of just them being there and the impact that has on the rest of the team. They don't have to set the world on fire or kick bags to be effective. They just have to play a role.
That role would allow Trengove to back - replaces Austin - and it then means Dixon is more potent.
by morell » Tue Jul 25, 2017 2:40 pm
He is everything! That's the problem. He's only behind Gray as our leading goal kicker. He's taken the most marks. The most marks inside 50. We go to him more than any other target. If that's a "foil" then we have a different understanding of what that word means.Booney wrote:morell wrote:Would be good if he didn't have to be selfless though and could concentrate on taking marks and kicking goals instead of being everywhere for everyone at all times in every game.
The bloke's efforts this year have honestly been extraordinary. He ought to be very high in the BnF, but imagine if he had a foil to take one of the defenders way? We've all seen what hes when in a 1v1.
This is the thing, so many people get caught up on the individual "Howard isnt ready" "Eddy isnt in good form" "Marshall is too young" and forget the bigger picture of just them being there and the impact that has on the rest of the team. They don't have to set the world on fire or kick bags to be effective. They just have to play a role.
That role would allow Trengove to back - replaces Austin - and it then means Dixon is more potent.
Dixon - He is the foil, we're sitting 5th with 10 wins, 3 more than the same time last year.
We have the best defense in the league because we've dominated the clearances and have crushed mediocre sides on the regular. How does the defense look when we break even in the midfield and are put under pressure vs good sides? It's still ok, but Trengove down there over Austin (or Hombsch) makes it stronger. If we do that and pick another tall forward, I honestly think the West Coast, Melbourne and Richmond games would be different. What does that do to our ladder position?Booney wrote:Structure - Your argument is self defeating, Trengove is playing that role at the moment and we have the best defense in the league.
by Booney » Tue Jul 25, 2017 2:52 pm
morell wrote: I want flags, not middling mediocrity.
by Booney » Tue Jul 25, 2017 2:55 pm
morell wrote:He is everything! That's the problem. He's only behind Gray as our leading goal kicker. He's taken the most marks. The most marks inside 50. We go to him more than any other target. If that's a "foil" then we have a different understanding of what that word means.Booney wrote: Dixon - He is the foil, we're sitting 5th with 10 wins, 3 more than the same time last year.
by morell » Tue Jul 25, 2017 2:57 pm
by Booney » Tue Jul 25, 2017 3:02 pm
morell wrote:Booney wrote:Structure - Your argument is self defeating, Trengove is playing that role at the moment and we have the best defense in the league.
We have the best defense in the league because we've dominated the clearances and have crushed mediocre sides on the regular. How does the defense look when we break even in the midfield and are put under pressure vs good sides? It's still ok, but Trengove down there over Austin (or Hombsch) makes it stronger. If we do that and pick another tall forward, I honestly think the West Coast, Melbourne and Richmond games would be different. What does that do to our ladder position?
You might be happy being 5th (actually one game in the 8 ) with a soft draw. I want to be clear on top spot with a hard draw. I want flags, not middling mediocrity. Hence the previous analogy - "we're being coached like driving a Lamborghini with the hand brake on"
Port win games against lower level teams because we have more talent. Not though system or method. If we could get the system and structure right, I honestly believe we have the players and ability to be a truly dominant force. That's what makes it so frustrating.
I like Ken and want him as our coach, but he needs a mad scientist gun senior tactical coach in the Richardson/Walsh role
by Booney » Tue Jul 25, 2017 3:04 pm
morell wrote:I reckon we do. We have the talent, the age profile, the experience. We have all the parts, just have to get it together mentally and sort out our structural issues.
We can do it Booney!
by bertiebeatle » Tue Jul 25, 2017 3:08 pm
by Booney » Tue Jul 25, 2017 3:11 pm
bertiebeatle wrote:Again, all our issues come back to our disposal. Our structure and the way we play is fine (missed Sat due to local footy), but again our skills let us down. From what i have been told from someone that is heavily involved in the club and always says it how it is, it was the same again on Saturday
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