SA 2019 Draft Watch

[heater31]

Any idea why boys born in 2000 are in these squads? They are turning 19 this year therefore over aged for u18's?

Can play overaged players

[Dutchy]

Any idea why boys born in 2000 are in these squads? They are turning 19 this year therefore over aged for u18's?

Can play overaged players

So ones that missed the draft get another crack? Seems weird.

[jet-airport]

Any idea why boys born in 2000 are in these squads? They are turning 19 this year therefore over aged for u18's?

Can play overaged players

So ones that missed the draft get another crack? Seems weird.

Think guys that were injured last year as u/18's for carnival or missed a chunk of footy in their final year are eligible for over age...
Also if multiple scouts/ clubs want to see someone they generally get added.

[Dutchy]

Ok that makes more sense, otherwise how else would you decide who gets another chance.

[am Bays]

Any idea why boys born in 2000 are in these squads? They are turning 19 this year therefore over aged for u18's?

Can play overaged players

So ones that missed the draft get another crack? Seems weird.

Think guys that were injured last year as u/18's for carnival or missed a chunk of footy in their final year are eligible for over age...
Also if multiple scouts/ clubs want to see someone they generally get added.

Or KPP and Ruckman, i.e. tall players who sometimes take a longer time to develop - think baby giraffes...

[Wedgie]

Any idea why boys born in 2000 are in these squads? They are turning 19 this year therefore over aged for u18's?

Wouldn't they be men, not boys then?

[PanthersFan]

Good article in today’s advertiser by Warren Tredrea about the mid season draft. Well worth a read. I read it at a coffee shop and I don’t have a subscription so I can’t share it unfortunately.

[DOC]

Once again, the AFL has misread the room and got it terribly wrong.

Next Monday the AFL mid-season draft is set to take place for the first time since 1993.

Reinstated to limit the impact long-term injuries and retirements have on clubs during the season, giving teams a change to replenish their lists for the second half of the year.

In theory it seemed straight forward, but it has quickly threatened the fabric of second tier competitions like the SANFL, VFL and WAFL.

The fear: AFL clubs with deep pockets knocking on the door of lower leagues, poaching their best players and decimating their team’s chance of success in the process.
It’s been 26 years since the mid-season draft was last staged and instead of clubs drafting ready-made experienced players to top up their lists, eligible clubs who have lost a player to a long-term injury or retirement now appear set to recruit for the future instead of now.

Clubs have already flagged they’ll chase the best available young talent, who have either been in the system previously or who were ignored at last year’s national draft.

It’s the total opposite reason as to why it was brought back in the first place.

I feel, once again, the AFL has missed the boat.

It’s a club’s list managers’ role to recruit players and manage their list for both the now and for the future — all the while keeping player payments strictly under the salary cap.

But why is it the clubs need a mid-season draft anyway?

With more than 40 players on a club list, surely if injuries and retirements hit, clubs have already built in adequate depth to their playing stocks to cope.

It’s a non-negotiable when developing and structuring lists in the first place.

Current Sturt coach and former AFL defender Nathan Grima hit the nail on the head when discussing this issue.

“The AFL has all the resources in the world, if you can’t go 22 weeks with 44 blokes on your list, what are you doing wrong?” he said.

He’s right. Clubs must attempt to foolproof their lists as much as possible, before resorting to the desperate measure of mid-season drafting.

I get it the AFL wants as much player movement as possible, and by creating more talk and player movement around a mid-season draft, the focus on Aussie rules only becomes stronger and the coverage of the game increases.

But we should be looking internally, not externally, when trying to fix our list management problems during the season.

Why can’t we use the mid-season period that starts next Monday as a mid-season trade window, where clubs can trade in and out players currently on AFL lists to fix their own needs, instead of potentially tearing apart second tier completions like our own SANFL?

If a team needs a ruckman, I would much rather see that club strike a trade for a player starved of opportunities at an opposing AFL club for the remainder of the season, than picking off easy targets from the level below.

We could even take it further and follow soccer’s lead of loaning players in and out when the necessity arises.

All a club would need to do is take over the player’s salary, provided they have room in their salary cap and possibly striking a financial or trade deal with his club so they are fairly compensated.

And once the short-term loan expires, clubs have the choice to make the loan/trade permanent — if not, the player returns to his original club after gaining valuable match experience at the top level in another AFL system.

This way players starved of opportunity in the system don’t need to sit and wait until the end of the year to seek greener pastures and greater opportunity.

And if this isn’t your cup of tea we could always adopt the NBA’s lead by offering short term contracts (rookie listed players from rival clubs), much like former Adelaide 36ers captain Mitch Creek experienced this year in the NBA with two ten-day contract stints with the Brooklyn Nets and then one further 10-day deal with the Minnesota Timberwolves.

Either way, its better than tearing apart the lower leagues playing stocks.

Or as it appears destined to, giving AFL clubs a headstart in acquiring more young inexperienced talent for the future, rather than being an immediate list fix like it was set out to be.

The mid-season draft is a waste of time. Let’s quit messing around and rip off the Band-Aid and do it properly.

It’s time to throw out the mid-season draft and make it a mid-season trade window like both the NBA and soccer do, where players can move freely and clubs looking for short term replacements can deal to repair the holes on their list.

That way we all get what we want, players get more opportunities and movement, and while we’re all talking about it — that should suit the AFL just fine.

Warren Tredrea is Channel 9 News sports presenter, PAFC premiership captain and FIVEaa football commentator.

[whufc]

Tredrea hit the nail on the head.

The mid season draft is just as much about the business aspect of increased coverage/exposure as it is about the AFL clubs having a level playing field etc.

[Dutchy]

Makes perfect sense for Crows and Port to grab as many SANFL players as they can, get them into their system, 1st rights to draft them full time in 2020, don't have to move from home, saves money in not drafting an interstater and don't even have to change competitions. Let the carnage begin!

[Jim05]

Makes perfect sense for Crows and Port to grab as many SANFL players as they can, get them into their system, 1st rights to draft them full time in 2020, don't have to move from home, saves money in not drafting an interstater and don't even have to change competitions. Let the carnage begin!

Have either side got spots on the list?

[Dutchy]

Crows do with Doedee, not sure if Port have ruled a line thru Watts yet but they may need to make that call if they want to participate.

Did the clubs take their full quota of Rookies? If not there would be spots there.

[Booney]

Makes perfect sense for Crows and Port to grab as many SANFL players as they can, get them into their system, 1st rights to draft them full time in 2020, don't have to move from home, saves money in not drafting an interstater and don't even have to change competitions. Let the carnage begin!

Have either side got spots on the list?

Adelaide have 38 players and 6 rookies (A) and 0 (B).

Port have 40 players 4 rookies (A) and 2 (B).

Doedee would go on LTI to allow one more, Port would have to put Watts on LTI to allow one on.

[Booney]

At this stage :

Collingwood, GWS and Port Adelaide are indicating they won't draft anyone.

Brisbane, Fremantle, Geelong, St Kilda and West Coast do not have a spot available on their list.

Michael Knoll ( South Adelaide ) may have interest from Essendon or Richmond who need to bolster ruck stocks.

Few, if any, other South Australians are mentioned in despatches.

[DOC]

At this stage :

Collingwood, GWS and Port Adelaide are indicating they won't draft anyone.

Brisbane, Fremantle, Geelong, St Kilda and West Coast do not have a spot available on their list.

Michael Knoll ( South Adelaide ) may have interest from Essendon or Richmond who need to bolster ruck stocks.

Few, if any, other South Australians are mentioned in despatches.

Knoll, Gregson and Hosie all invited to medicals. Knoll's invite (cute term) came Saturday morning.

[Jim05]

At this stage :

Collingwood, GWS and Port Adelaide are indicating they won't draft anyone.

Brisbane, Fremantle, Geelong, St Kilda and West Coast do not have a spot available on their list.

Michael Knoll ( South Adelaide ) may have interest from Essendon or Richmond who need to bolster ruck stocks.

Few, if any, other South Australians are mentioned in despatches.

Knoll, Gregson and Hosie all invited to medicals. Knoll's invite (cute term) came Saturday morning.

Do you know if Knoll’s was from us?
Recent chatter has been that we have switched our attention to Marlion Pickett but with Smith now put on LTI we have another spot

[Corona Man]

At this stage :

Collingwood, GWS and Port Adelaide are indicating they won't draft anyone.

Brisbane, Fremantle, Geelong, St Kilda and West Coast do not have a spot available on their list.

Michael Knoll ( South Adelaide ) may have interest from Essendon or Richmond who need to bolster ruck stocks.

Few, if any, other South Australians are mentioned in despatches.

Knoll, Gregson and Hosie all invited to medicals. Knoll's invite (cute term) came Saturday morning.

The Hosie I know would not pass any medical.

[blueandwhite]

There has been some strange decisions made at AFL house over the years......but this mid season draft takes the cake as the dumbest thing someone ever ran up the flagpole.

If this is the way its going to be, with the AFL and the players riding rough shod over the sanfl clubs like this its time to play hard ball.
Currently most SANFL players seemed to have gravitated to 1 yr contracts, so they can hold the whip hand over sanfl clubs with negotiations at the end of every season. Also player contracts as I understand it in the sanfl have a clause that they can be drafted to the afl at any time.,and the sanfl contract becomes void.
Time to play hard ball. Sanfl clubs should delete the afl exit clause and all contracts should be for a set period of time - covering the preseason, season and finish on October 10. Where the player is free to go to the national draft or renegotiate.

[whufc]

There has been some strange decisions made at AFL house over the years......but this mid season draft takes the cake as the dumbest thing someone ever ran up the flagpole.

If this is the way its going to be, with the AFL and the players riding rough shod over the sanfl clubs like this its time to play hard ball.
Currently most SANFL players seemed to have gravitated to 1 yr contracts, so they can hold the whip hand over sanfl clubs with negotiations at the end of every season. Also player contracts as I understand it in the sanfl have a clause that they can be drafted to the afl at any time.,and the sanfl contract becomes void.
Time to play hard ball. Sanfl clubs should delete the afl exit clause and all contracts should be for a set period of time - covering the preseason, season and finish on October 10. Where the player is free to go to the national draft or renegotiate.

The only way and no AFL exit clause would work is if all state leagues are on board. If the SANFL was the only league to apply this it potentially could see the SANFL become the least attractive league for recruits to play in.

[bertiebeatle]

At this stage :

Collingwood, GWS and Port Adelaide are indicating they won't draft anyone.

Brisbane, Fremantle, Geelong, St Kilda and West Coast do not have a spot available on their list.

Michael Knoll ( South Adelaide ) may have interest from Essendon or Richmond who need to bolster ruck stocks.

Few, if any, other South Australians are mentioned in despatches.

Is Patmore on our LTI list?