Jim05 wrote:Royal Adelaide show cancelled
That's 5 month away. Shows me that we are in this for a long time yet
by beef » Tue Apr 14, 2020 1:15 pm
Jim05 wrote:Royal Adelaide show cancelled
by Booney » Tue Apr 14, 2020 1:21 pm
beef wrote:Jim05 wrote:Royal Adelaide show cancelled
That's 5 month away. Shows me that we are in this for a long time yet
by Spangas » Tue Apr 14, 2020 1:30 pm
Booney wrote:beef wrote:Jim05 wrote:Royal Adelaide show cancelled
That's 5 month away. Shows me that we are in this for a long time yet
Absolutely, anyone thinking we're close to the end of this is getting ahead of themselves.
Someone in authority is going to have to sign off on "It's safe to go back about your business", how many boxes will they have to check to be happy doing so?
We'll need at least 4 weeks, maybe 6, of >2 new cases per day.
by whufc » Tue Apr 14, 2020 1:31 pm
Booney wrote:beef wrote:Jim05 wrote:Royal Adelaide show cancelled
That's 5 month away. Shows me that we are in this for a long time yet
Absolutely, anyone thinking we're close to the end of this is getting ahead of themselves.
Someone in authority is going to have to sign off on "It's safe to go back about your business", how many boxes will they have to check to be happy doing so?
We'll need at least 4 weeks, maybe 6, of >2 new cases per day.
by tigerpie » Tue Apr 14, 2020 1:39 pm
by Booney » Tue Apr 14, 2020 1:42 pm
whufc wrote:Keep in mind historically the common flu has put the health system under significant stress before which is apparently 'alot' of the reason for the current actions.
by Booney » Tue Apr 14, 2020 1:43 pm
tigerpie wrote:The numbers coming out of the USA are mindboggling.
Half a million infections, almost a third of Adelaide's population!
by whufc » Tue Apr 14, 2020 1:47 pm
by whufc » Tue Apr 14, 2020 1:48 pm
Booney wrote:whufc wrote:Keep in mind historically the common flu has put the health system under significant stress before which is apparently 'alot' of the reason for the current actions.
What do you mean "apparently a lot of the reason", keeping the hospitals from being inundated is EXACTLY the reason we're trying to limit the spread.
by Booney » Tue Apr 14, 2020 1:52 pm
whufc wrote:Booney wrote:whufc wrote:Keep in mind historically the common flu has put the health system under significant stress before which is apparently 'alot' of the reason for the current actions.
What do you mean "apparently a lot of the reason", keeping the hospitals from being inundated is EXACTLY the reason we're trying to limit the spread.
Well are you afraid then these actions might become common practise each winter when the flu system kicks off and the system is under the pump.
by whufc » Tue Apr 14, 2020 1:53 pm
Booney wrote:whufc wrote:Booney wrote:whufc wrote:Keep in mind historically the common flu has put the health system under significant stress before which is apparently 'alot' of the reason for the current actions.
What do you mean "apparently a lot of the reason", keeping the hospitals from being inundated is EXACTLY the reason we're trying to limit the spread.
Well are you afraid then these actions might become common practise each winter when the flu system kicks off and the system is under the pump.
No.
by Q. » Tue Apr 14, 2020 1:55 pm
Trader wrote:Q. wrote:You suggested that there would be more deaths from unemployment compared to COVID-19. This study does not show that and I have not seen any evidence anywhere to suggest that.
I said its a possibility yes. I've also said all along its a trade off.
IF we go too hard, the unemplyoment deaths will be higher.
IF we go too soft, the covid deaths will be higher.
No one knows where the correct position to be is, and no one will ever know, as you can't run parallel tests on this. It's all a guessing game.
Right now we are using 1.5% of our additional ICU beds. To me, that suggests we might have dialled up the restrictions a little too far.
Booney wrote:This then needs to have the unemployment benefits of each country demonstrated against those that were in place in Australia before the pandemic as well as the medical care offered to those who were unemployed. Let alone the increased access to financial support the stimulus packages recently released will have.
ie - Do all those countries have unemployment benefits and free medical? If not, that report tells us nothing about Australia.
by Q. » Tue Apr 14, 2020 1:57 pm
whufc wrote:Further to my post, what do you think the life changing outcomes from Coronavirus will be.
by Booney » Tue Apr 14, 2020 1:58 pm
whufc wrote:Can i ask why. Surely even you will concede its not just Covid that has put the health system under pressure.
by whufc » Tue Apr 14, 2020 1:58 pm
Q. wrote:whufc wrote:Further to my post, what do you think the life changing outcomes from Coronavirus will be.
The life changing outcome is that, next time, we won't take two goddamn months to shut the border.
by Booney » Tue Apr 14, 2020 2:00 pm
whufc wrote:Q. wrote:whufc wrote:Further to my post, what do you think the life changing outcomes from Coronavirus will be.
The life changing outcome is that, next time, we won't take two goddamn months to shut the border.
Agree.
Also introducing the 14 days isolation period for people returning from overseason. I think that will be in place a little bit more often for certain nations at certain points in time. Once again not a bad thing imo.
by whufc » Tue Apr 14, 2020 2:00 pm
Booney wrote:whufc wrote:Can i ask why. Surely even you will concede its not just Covid that has put the health system under pressure.
Our health system was under pressure before this pandemic, go to the SA thread in politics and look at the discussion around ramping of ambulances etc.
What we did know about this virus is it's extremely contagious, life threatening to the elderly and those with comorbidity conditions and we didn't want what has happened in Italy, the UK and US where mass graves are being dug to hold the bodies of those who have died. When you look at where we are with what we've done compared to the US how anyone can say we've gone too far is beyond me. Every life we save is worth saving.
What does this mean going forward? Who knows, perhaps mandatory vaccinations of the 'flu and C-19 ( if and when available ) for over 65's every year. C-19 might be a once off, might get it when you get your first lot as a baby.
by whufc » Tue Apr 14, 2020 2:01 pm
Booney wrote:whufc wrote:Q. wrote:whufc wrote:Further to my post, what do you think the life changing outcomes from Coronavirus will be.
The life changing outcome is that, next time, we won't take two goddamn months to shut the border.
Agree.
Also introducing the 14 days isolation period for people returning from overseason. I think that will be in place a little bit more often for certain nations at certain points in time. Once again not a bad thing imo.
I think it might be in place permanently for some countries.
Could, off topic for a moment, mean Port never play in China again.
by Q. » Tue Apr 14, 2020 2:02 pm
by Booney » Tue Apr 14, 2020 2:02 pm
whufc wrote:Booney wrote:whufc wrote:Can i ask why. Surely even you will concede its not just Covid that has put the health system under pressure.
Our health system was under pressure before this pandemic, go to the SA thread in politics and look at the discussion around ramping of ambulances etc.
What we did know about this virus is it's extremely contagious, life threatening to the elderly and those with comorbidity conditions and we didn't want what has happened in Italy, the UK and US where mass graves are being dug to hold the bodies of those who have died. When you look at where we are with what we've done compared to the US how anyone can say we've gone too far is beyond me. Every life we save is worth saving.
What does this mean going forward? Who knows, perhaps mandatory vaccinations of the 'flu and C-19 ( if and when available ) for over 65's every year. C-19 might be a once off, might get it when you get your first lot as a baby.
No one in their wildest dreams believed the actions being taken at present would be as easy to introduce and police as they have.
Now that the government/health system knows it's a legitmate option i definitely expect it is proposed more often.
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