by Tony Clifton » Fri Jul 17, 2020 11:37 am
by No kidding » Fri Jul 17, 2020 11:48 am
Tony Clifton wrote:Will the Hussey report be released in full? I've seen the article with the dot points. Was interesting to see some changes to the selection panel and high performance committee mooted.
Typically in these reviews number of grade clubs seems to be the popular go to every time the Redbacks finish bottom and it will solve all the problems of SA cricket which is overly simplistic in my opinion. Not so much rearranging the Titanic's deck chairs but simply deciding how many deck chairs is best
by Tony Clifton » Fri Jul 17, 2020 1:03 pm
No kidding wrote:Hussey Report 2020.pdf
by No kidding » Fri Jul 17, 2020 2:01 pm
Tony Clifton wrote:No kidding wrote:Hussey Report 2020.pdf
Thank you! This paragraph is spot on. An almost 'parallel pathway' has existed where players move through junior state squads, various Cricket Australia teams up in Brisbane plus Futures League. Club cricket is almost completely incidental to their career and development.
"The effect of participation in the current High Performance system has created a sense of entitlement for many young players, not just in SA but around the country. They feel the Pathways Programme will assist them to by-pass Premier Cricket to achieve long and successful first-class careers. This has proven to be unsuccessful and created a myriad of problems such as, devaluing the importance of Premier Cricket and creating behavioural traits that won’t set players up for long-term success"
by Eagles2014 » Fri Jul 17, 2020 2:16 pm
No kidding wrote:Tony Clifton wrote:No kidding wrote:Hussey Report 2020.pdf
Thank you! This paragraph is spot on. An almost 'parallel pathway' has existed where players move through junior state squads, various Cricket Australia teams up in Brisbane plus Futures League. Club cricket is almost completely incidental to their career and development.
"The effect of participation in the current High Performance system has created a sense of entitlement for many young players, not just in SA but around the country. They feel the Pathways Programme will assist them to by-pass Premier Cricket to achieve long and successful first-class careers. This has proven to be unsuccessful and created a myriad of problems such as, devaluing the importance of Premier Cricket and creating behavioural traits that won’t set players up for long-term success"
Here in lies the central issue and the fact that this report is a bit like the Crows review.
Wanted to be seen as hard hitting and brutal yet the key message sees the SACA as a toothless tiger worried more about their own selves as opposed to the overall betterment of cricket in SA
3b....Reduce the number of Premier Grade teams to between 8-10 and remove the bye.
This decision is to be made by the clubs.
by Tony Clifton » Fri Jul 17, 2020 2:34 pm
by Off The Wall » Fri Jul 17, 2020 3:19 pm
Tony Clifton wrote:Perhaps implement a rule that all contracted and Emerging Redbacks players must play for one of the 8 Premier Grade clubs so the strength of the competition increases in two ways:
1) the 8 consistently best performing clubs play against each other, completely removing the traditionally 'easy' games against perennial strugglers
2) the best cricketers from the 5 other clubs would spread among these 8 clubs, strengthening them
by the smokey » Fri Jul 17, 2020 3:52 pm
by Tony Clifton » Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:03 pm
Off The Wall wrote:Tony Clifton wrote:Perhaps implement a rule that all contracted and Emerging Redbacks players must play for one of the 8 Premier Grade clubs so the strength of the competition increases in two ways:
1) the 8 consistently best performing clubs play against each other, completely removing the traditionally 'easy' games against perennial strugglers
2) the best cricketers from the 5 other clubs would spread among these 8 clubs, strengthening them
So what you want is to effectively kill off the other 5 clubs by never allowing them to have their top talent. You cant have a relegation/promotion system if you only want to cater for 8 out of the 13 clubs.
by tigerpie » Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:13 pm
Arch44 wrote:Dgrade cricket at Grade level is a farce and has been for a while. I have said this before my son (22) now, in his 1st year at senior level straight out of 16s one his clubs Dgrade bowling trophy, the following year he couldn't get a game because of older blokes in there 40s and 50s were being selected first. Surely grade cricket is about prepping guys coming through with the hope of playing shield cricket?
by Tony Clifton » Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:27 pm
tigerpie wrote:Arch44 wrote:Dgrade cricket at Grade level is a farce and has been for a while. I have said this before my son (22) now, in his 1st year at senior level straight out of 16s one his clubs Dgrade bowling trophy, the following year he couldn't get a game because of older blokes in there 40s and 50s were being selected first. Surely grade cricket is about prepping guys coming through with the hope of playing shield cricket?
No shield player ever came through d grade.
Unless he was 12 when he played.
by the smokey » Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:33 pm
Tony Clifton wrote:tigerpie wrote:Arch44 wrote:Dgrade cricket at Grade level is a farce and has been for a while. I have said this before my son (22) now, in his 1st year at senior level straight out of 16s one his clubs Dgrade bowling trophy, the following year he couldn't get a game because of older blokes in there 40s and 50s were being selected first. Surely grade cricket is about prepping guys coming through with the hope of playing shield cricket?
No shield player ever came through d grade.
Unless he was 12 when he played.
Would certainly strengthen the case for changing grades if they put some facts and figures to it
Out of our local state and national representatives, how many played U14 Whites on their way through? U16 Whites? 4th Grade? 3rd Grade etc
Or maybe it wouldn't
Either way it would be interesting to see
by Off The Wall » Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:07 pm
Tony Clifton wrote:Off The Wall wrote:Tony Clifton wrote:Perhaps implement a rule that all contracted and Emerging Redbacks players must play for one of the 8 Premier Grade clubs so the strength of the competition increases in two ways:
1) the 8 consistently best performing clubs play against each other, completely removing the traditionally 'easy' games against perennial strugglers
2) the best cricketers from the 5 other clubs would spread among these 8 clubs, strengthening them
So what you want is to effectively kill off the other 5 clubs by never allowing them to have their top talent. You cant have a relegation/promotion system if you only want to cater for 8 out of the 13 clubs.
Having divisions in every soccer competition in the world hasn't killed off all the clubs
And regardless, the question is what is best for South Australian cricket rather than what is best for the most lowly clubs
Also don't forget the other options are to merge or cease to exist.
by Tony Clifton » Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:23 pm
Off The Wall wrote:Youve completely missed the point. It's locking players into the top division that isnt right. If a team like Kensington suddenly get relegated, all their state contracted players will have to switch clubs under your idea.
by Eagles2014 » Fri Jul 17, 2020 6:02 pm
Tony Clifton wrote:Off The Wall wrote:Youve completely missed the point. It's locking players into the top division that isnt right. If a team like Kensington suddenly get relegated, all their state contracted players will have to switch clubs under your idea.
How is that a bad thing?
Having the best players spread out over 13 teams is the problem remember. If those players follow Kensington into the lower grade that's a bad thing.
Incentive not to finish bottom. Keeps everyone on their toes. Drives the standard up rather than trying to make it ok for clubs to perform badly.
You'd maybe have a playoff match to determine promotion. 1st Grade wooden spooner vs 2nd Grade premier. So promotion/relegation only occurs *if* one of the five 1st Grade team wins the 2nd Grade premiership and *if* they beat the 1st Grade wooden spooner in the playoff match.
by Tony Clifton » Fri Jul 17, 2020 6:44 pm
Eagles2014 wrote:Think Premier and Wooden Spoon should definitely switch, should be the result of the years work and not come down to bit of luck on the day.
by tigerpie » Fri Jul 17, 2020 7:33 pm
Tony Clifton wrote:Eagles2014 wrote:Think Premier and Wooden Spoon should definitely switch, should be the result of the years work and not come down to bit of luck on the day.
Fair enough!
Dog eat dog.
Would certainly fire things up. No coasting. Is what's needed.
by billy » Sat Jul 18, 2020 11:14 pm
by Aerie » Sun Jul 19, 2020 2:38 am
by Tony Clifton » Sun Aug 02, 2020 8:33 pm
Aeropti wrote:Nick Bertus to Northern Districts. very good pick up for the Jets.
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