Ashes 2023

[RB]

Carey gone to water since stumpinggate

Ahaha, was wondering when you'd pipe up re Carey

[northerner]

Carey gone to water since stumpinggate

Ahaha, was wondering when you'd pipe up re Carey

Spot on though.
We won the first two tests because our keeper was better, with gloves and bat.
Karma bus since that pivotal moment... and Bairstow is now the better bat, and after the last couple of innings, also the better keeper.

[RB]

Karma bus?

[Armchair expert]

get Carey a crab net holy cow he has been poor today

[northerner]

Karma bus?

Ie....Massive change of fortune/skill set/concentration since that stumping...whilst his opposite number has stepped up.
Carey does not usually attract controversy and has clearly not coped well with the fallout since this episode.
Always been a quiet achiever, the spotlight has burnt him.

[RB]

I see what you mean. The stumping was a turning point in the keepers' respective fortunes.

'Karma' just makes it sound like you think Carey deserves it for effecting the stumping.

[northerner]

I see what you mean. The stumping was a turning point in the keepers' respective fortunes.

'Karma' just makes it sound like you think Carey deserves it for effecting the stumping.

It has clearly had a two fold effect... it stoked the fire in that big belly of JB, and it put the focus on Carey, and that does not befit his personality.
Was that momentary victory worth the subsequent attention and scrutiny?

[RB]

Was that momentary victory worth the subsequent attention and scrutiny?

We'll never know, but the stumping may have won us the match.

I'm just not sure how the concept of 'what goes around comes around' applies here.

[mighty_tiger_79]

Eng 283 going at 5 runs an over
Aus 1/61. Warner out 24

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[The Dark Knight]

Eng 283 going at 5 runs an over
Aus 1/61. Warner out 24

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Good day for the Aussies to win the toss and bowl England out for under 300 losing 7/99.
Murphy with some tidy figures.
Starc with 4 and bowled a peach to knock over Stokes.
Joe Root went past 6000 runs in England.
Good catching from Smith but some of the other fielding and catching attempts were very poor (5 catches dropped I think?).
With Woakes dismissing Warner it means that Broad can no longer match Glenn McGraths 19 dismissals of Michael Atherton in this series.

[LaughingKookaburra]

We should have rolled them for under 230 at worst. Will be interesting to see how we go with the bat tonight. More of a day 1 style Australian pitch with a touch of green to allow movement and a bit of zip. If we can bat long enough can see this being a peach to bat on over the next 2-3 days.

[whufc]

Aussies slightly on top.

What was a good day should have been a great day due to bang average fielding.

Warner has dropped a few this series which is further indication his eyes are 'going on him'. It's reflective with the bat as well, he has enough talent to get starts but age is catching up with him and the ability to not make a single error for a few hours just isn't there anymore.

One of the batsmen just has to go big this test.

Good to see Murphy pick up a couple of wickets.

Every time you think Carey has 'made it' as a test keeper he takes two steps backwards. Needs to bat well this test. Currently averages 23 with the bat and finishing the series poor behind the stumps. In fairness to him the shuffle to number 8 with the bat probably didn't help him.

[northerner]

5 dropped catches, although Smiths was a tough one.
Warner, Marsh and Murphy (off his own bowling) didn't really cost us.
Carers error hurt us big time.

Harry Brook is a very good talent. It remains to be seen if his pursuit of the Bazball gameplan stops him progressing to be the star he could be.

Handy start with the bat. Just need our lads to buckle down and have a couple go big.

[mighty_tiger_79]

Make 563
Bowl them out 137

[MW]

We should have rolled them for under 230 at worst. Will be interesting to see how we go with the bat tonight. More of a day 1 style Australian pitch with a touch of green to allow movement and a bit of zip. If we can bat long enough can see this being a peach to bat on over the next 2-3 days.

Anything under 300 from the way they play, and batting first, is a win.
I think Australia are way in front here.

[am Bays]

I don’t think the stumping is the issue I think the more logical explanation is fatigue from playing six test in less than 8 weeks.

However that’s just an explanation that catch should’ve been caught.

To the game now, we just need to bat smart and aim to be batting at lunch on Saturday.

That will put us 150 -200 ahead assuming we go at 3.5 to 4 an over for 110 overs (85 tomorrow and 25 in the 1st session on Sat)

That means if they want to win they have to push the envelop and we saw how that worked out last night!

[Booney]

I don’t think the stumping is the issue I think the more logical explanation is fatigue from playing six test in less than 8 weeks.

This.

[whufc]

I don’t think the stumping is the issue I think the more logical explanation is fatigue from playing six test in less than 8 weeks.

However that’s just an explanation that catch should’ve been caught.

To the game now, we just need to bat smart and aim to be batting at lunch on Saturday.

That will put us 150 -200 ahead assuming we go at 3.5 to 4 an over for 110 overs (85 tomorrow and 25 in the 1st session on Sat)

That means if they want to win they have to push the envelop and we saw how that worked out last night!

Potentially, Bairstow has played one less test but in the Ashes.....

Balls faced batting
Bairstow 301
Carey 344

Overs kept
Bairstow 697
Carey 510

Bairstow has kept for a whopping 1,100 more balls than Carey during the same period. I know Carey is away from home which is a big factor but Bairstow has got better and better as the series went on and looks like he put the pie cart out of business each day of the test.

[mighty_tiger_79]

Carey isn't upto it

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[gazzamagoo]

Bairstow's shot to get out was deplorable, no footwork at all, just a slog.
I hope Carey makes 100.