Ovies to self destruct

[hawkseye]

Just as a stab in the dark. Did Heather get you sacked or not reappointed?

Nah.What happened was that I did'nt see eye to eye with a few of the older heads at the club.So when we had the board meeting at the end of the season they all said that they would leave if one of their mates did'nt get the coaching job ahead of me.I did'nt expect there to be any problems and basically told the board that as far as I was concerned we could do without those players,but they did'nt see it that way.The new coach was a four time club champion,but as you would know,great players don't always make great coaches.And as I have already stated,I took on the job after no one else would do it and gave everything I had for the club,without any pay,and I felt I deserved better than for the club to call a player vote on who they wanted as coach.The vote never happened because I told them to stick it.As for Heather,she actually wanted me to stay on as coach but was scared of losing four or five players so the other dudes ended up getting their own way.I don't blame her as she was only doing what she thought was right for the club.In fact, she has done a great deal for me over the years and I am good mates with her son Locky.And I never came onto this site to bag Heather,rather I wanted to stick up for the new coach who's got a tough enough job ahead of him as it is without people like Heather leaving.As I've said all along,the club would be far better off with Heather than without her.

Alrighty then! I cant see us agreeing on the new coach but thats whats its all about. I apologise for my previous posts with the smileys as it was quite early in the morning and i was quite drunk.

Figured it was something like that

[Rupert My Boy]

04 premiership Coach, had you read and absorbed my previous posts, you will find that I said I do know Chris Newman, Kevin Kohler, Mark Barnett, Klomp and even you. I don't need to be a member of Ovies, just an observant follower of SAAFL and the clubs within it.
I will say again, the Ovingham Footy club needs to get the right people to make the club work properly, not fill ins or people co-erced to stand in a position just for the sake of it and in my opinion, from first hand experience with Chris Newman, Kohler etc. they can only do what they have done at many other clubs, cause major issues and leave for others to fix.

Obviously your issues whilst there as coach weren't able to be resolved so you took the easy option and walked when it got hard. Players threatening to walk for the reasons you have stated should be shown the door, because as you have previously posted, the club is bigger than any individual. That's exactly what I mean about having the right people in the right places.
Do I sense you are a person with double standards or did you forget that bit?

There is another sad bit to this saga, Chris Newman has a son Matthew, around 18 years old and not a bad player but he will forever carry baggage in the footy world because he is shifted from club to club every year and will never get a chance to settle in at one club and miss out on the opportunity to become a Good Club person. Whose fault is that???

[hawkseye]

04 premiership Coach, had you read and absorbed my previous posts, you will find that I said I do know Chris Newman, Kevin Kohler, Mark Barnett, Klomp and even you. I don't need to be a member of Ovies, just an observant follower of SAAFL and the clubs within it.
I will say again, the Ovingham Footy club needs to get the right people to make the club work properly, not fill ins or people co-erced to stand in a position just for the sake of it and in my opinion, from first hand experience with Chris Newman, Kohler etc. they can only do what they have done at many other clubs, cause major issues and leave for others to fix.

Obviously your issues whilst there as coach weren't able to be resolved so you took the easy option and walked when it got hard. Players threatening to walk for the reasons you have stated should be shown the door, because as you have previously posted, the club is bigger than any individual. That's exactly what I mean about having the right people in the right places.
Do I sense you are a person with double standards or did you forget that bit?

There is another sad bit to this saga, Chris Newman has a son Matthew, around 18 years old and not a bad player but he will forever carry baggage in the footy world because he is shifted from club to club every year and will never get a chance to settle in at one club and miss out on the opportunity to become a Good Club person. Whose fault is that???

I think we are flogging a dead horse.

[04 Premiership Coach]

04 premiership Coach, had you read and absorbed my previous posts, you will find that I said I do know Chris Newman, Kevin Kohler, Mark Barnett, Klomp and even you. I don't need to be a member of Ovies, just an observant follower of SAAFL and the clubs within it.
I will say again, the Ovingham Footy club needs to get the right people to make the club work properly, not fill ins or people co-erced to stand in a position just for the sake of it and in my opinion, from first hand experience with Chris Newman, Kohler etc. they can only do what they have done at many other clubs, cause major issues and leave for others to fix.

Obviously your issues whilst there as coach weren't able to be resolved so you took the easy option and walked when it got hard. Players threatening to walk for the reasons you have stated should be shown the door, because as you have previously posted, the club is bigger than any individual. That's exactly what I mean about having the right people in the right places.
Do I sense you are a person with double standards or did you forget that bit?

There is another sad bit to this saga, Chris Newman has a son Matthew, around 18 years old and not a bad player but he will forever carry baggage in the footy world because he is shifted from club to club every year and will never get a chance to settle in at one club and miss out on the opportunity to become a Good Club person. Whose fault is that???

Yes Rupert,I have read and absorbed your previous posts,and you have a lot of good things to say.You obviously know your stuff.Its a shame however that you wont identify yourself as you claim to know all those people,even myself,yet I have no way of knowing if it's true.I'm inclined to believe you,but how about you send me a pm and we can discuss it further without boring everyone else to death.By the way,you say I took the easy way out.Would you stay at a club where you were'nt wanted?????

[hawkseye]

04 premiership Coach, had you read and absorbed my previous posts, you will find that I said I do know Chris Newman, Kevin Kohler, Mark Barnett, Klomp and even you. I don't need to be a member of Ovies, just an observant follower of SAAFL and the clubs within it.
I will say again, the Ovingham Footy club needs to get the right people to make the club work properly, not fill ins or people co-erced to stand in a position just for the sake of it and in my opinion, from first hand experience with Chris Newman, Kohler etc. they can only do what they have done at many other clubs, cause major issues and leave for others to fix.

Obviously your issues whilst there as coach weren't able to be resolved so you took the easy option and walked when it got hard. Players threatening to walk for the reasons you have stated should be shown the door, because as you have previously posted, the club is bigger than any individual. That's exactly what I mean about having the right people in the right places.
Do I sense you are a person with double standards or did you forget that bit?

There is another sad bit to this saga, Chris Newman has a son Matthew, around 18 years old and not a bad player but he will forever carry baggage in the footy world because he is shifted from club to club every year and will never get a chance to settle in at one club and miss out on the opportunity to become a Good Club person. Whose fault is that???

Yes Rupert,I have read and absorbed your previous posts,and you have a lot of good things to say.You obviously know your stuff.Its a shame however that you wont identify yourself as you claim to know all those people,even myself,yet I have no way of knowing if it's true.I'm inclined to believe you,but how about you send me a pm and we can discuss it further without boring everyone else to death.By the way,you say I took the easy way out.Would you stay at a club where you were'nt wanted?????

Im not bored. Not sure anybody has to identify themselves either?

[LaughingKookaburra]

I reckon it's half the fun of the forum, keep everyone guessing on who you are. Not that i care if anyone knows who i am anyway.

[04 Premiership Coach]

I reckon it's half the fun of the forum, keep everyone guessing on who you are. Not that i care if anyone knows who i am anyway.

Thats all well and good mate,and I know what you mean,but if it's good enough for Rupert to NAME and BAG other people,I think he should be man enough to at least let me know who he is.After all,he claims to know me,so where's the harm in telling me who he is?

[LaughingKookaburra]

All of you people must be getting your info from the same person.Seems like a pretty biased point of view.As coach of the 2004 Ovingham Premiership team I can assure you that for all the good Heather has done the club has'nt taken a single step forward in 10 years.All of that is about to change suckers.Back to back Premiership Coach Chris Newman will bring much more than a bunch of parasites.Here comes another premiership for the Cats and if Heather cant swallow her pride and be a part of it then more fool her.It's the Ovingham Football Club, not the Heather Sandford Football Club.

Mate no offence but your initial post both named and bagged people at your beloved cats. In fairness you have redeemed yourself recently by posting informative information which describes your situation. Must say though my initial thought of you wasn't much,especially after calling all of us suckers

[BUZZ]

With nothing to do with the club, Ovies, why does Kev kohlers name keep appearing, great guy, good mate but he died over a year ago, time to move on with Kev boys........

[04 Premiership Coach]

All of you people must be getting your info from the same person.Seems like a pretty biased point of view.As coach of the 2004 Ovingham Premiership team I can assure you that for all the good Heather has done the club has'nt taken a single step forward in 10 years.All of that is about to change suckers.Back to back Premiership Coach Chris Newman will bring much more than a bunch of parasites.Here comes another premiership for the Cats and if Heather cant swallow her pride and be a part of it then more fool her.It's the Ovingham Football Club, not the Heather Sandford Football Club.

Mate no offence but your initial post both named and bagged people at your beloved cats. In fairness you have redeemed yourself recently by posting informative information which describes your situation. Must say though my initial thought of you wasn't much,especially after calling all of us suckers

Yer,fair enough.I should'nt have said that.Whats more it should'nt take any prompting for me to apologise,so I do that now unreservedly.I was pretty fired up by some of the things that were being posted but I guess thats no excuse as I now know most of the people on this site are well informed and reasonably constructive.I would say also that anything I post on this site I would gladly say to the faces of those concerned,and I have made it quite clear to all who I am.And I did say on more than one occassion that Heather has done a great deal of good for the club.If I sounded like I was bagging her I did'nt mean it that way.I just think there are two sides to every story and the new coach deserves a chance.Hope that sounds fair.

[04 Premiership Coach]

With nothing to do with the club, Ovies, why does Kev kohlers name keep appearing, great guy, good mate but he died over a year ago, time to move on with Kev boys........

Thats a good question.I only met him once shortly before he died but it seems as though Rupert doesnt think much of him.Would've been respectful not to drag Kev's name into this.

[BUZZ]

With nothing to do with the club, Ovies, why does Kev kohlers name keep appearing, great guy, good mate but he died over a year ago, time to move on with Kev boys........

Thats a good question.I only met him once shortly before he died but it seems as though Rupert doesnt think much of him.Would've been respectful not to drag Kev's name into this.

Good call, Ovies obviously have some rebuilding to do, by the sounds of thing they have a respectable coach in Newman? Stuff the political side of a footy club, the guys are there to play and win not only for themselves but for there coach, that applies in any side at any grade, let the so called committee experts of the club do their 'thing' and let the coach and players bring home the glory, a flag, something most 'committee' members never experience! Good luck Ovies, i wish you well

[04 Premiership Coach]

With nothing to do with the club, Ovies, why does Kev kohlers name keep appearing, great guy, good mate but he died over a year ago, time to move on with Kev boys........

Thats a good question.I only met him once shortly before he died but it seems as though Rupert doesnt think much of him.Would've been respectful not to drag Kev's name into this.

Good call, Ovies obviously have some rebuilding to do, by the sounds of thing they have a respectable coach in Newman? Stuff the political side of a footy club, the guys are there to play and win not only for themselves but for there coach, that applies in any side at any grade, let the so called committee experts of the club do their 'thing' and let the coach and players bring home the glory, a flag, something most 'committee' members never experience! Good luck Ovies, i wish you well

Right on bro.Did you know Kev was gonna coach Ovies in 2006?Barney took over after Kev passed away.They probably would've won if Kev had been around

[BUZZ]

With nothing to do with the club, Ovies, why does Kev kohlers name keep appearing, great guy, good mate but he died over a year ago, time to move on with Kev boys........

Thats a good question.I only met him once shortly before he died but it seems as though Rupert doesnt think much of him.Would've been respectful not to drag Kev's name into this.

Good call, Ovies obviously have some rebuilding to do, by the sounds of thing they have a respectable coach in Newman? Stuff the political side of a footy club, the guys are there to play and win not only for themselves but for there coach, that applies in any side at any grade, let the so called committee experts of the club do their 'thing' and let the coach and players bring home the glory, a flag, something most 'committee' members never experience! Good luck Ovies, i wish you well

Right on bro.Did you know Kev was gonna coach Ovies in 2006?Barney took over after Kev passed away.They probably would've won if Kev had been around

I did hear that mate, who knows what would have happened, Kev had alot of loyal players who followed him, from Portland, Seaton Gepps Cross etc

[04 Premiership Coach]

Players follow gun coaches,and we both know Kev's record speaks for itself.So does Chris Newman's.

[BUZZ]

Players follow gun coaches,and we both know Kev's record speaks for itself.So does Chris Newman's.

Dont know Newman, honestly never heard of him but i wish him and the club all the best in what seems a challenging and club changing year

[Rupert My Boy]

Gentlemen, I will have nothing further to say on this matter however, this time next year I hope I don't have to come back and say"I told you so"!!

[NO-MERCY]

I reckon your spot on Rupert & i believe you'll be saying " i told you all" at the end of the year!

[aceman]

Buzz, I am looking in as an outsider in this debate and and I think if you read carefully you have just stated why Rupert put the late KK in his post. Another coach who hopped from club to club (you actually named 4 of them) along with CN and the likes. What do they achieve in the long run, certainly not a good personal reputation because when they leave they 'gut' the club. Premierships are not the only measuring stick of a good coach!
It must be a thrill for Ovingham to get somebody to bring along 10-15 players but in my experience these guys pick their mates first, then club people second. Club people then get disheartened and are sometimes lost to the club, the coach then moves on with his troops to another club and the cycle starts again.
Take it from me this is exactly what happened with these guys at all of their previous clubs. If the Ovingham people had checked with the previous clubs, it would have been interesting to know the recommendations or otherwise the clubs gave.

Incidently 04 Premiership Coach, I agree with everything Rupert has said and I am an ex Ovingham player, long time ago but that's when the club functioned as it should now, properly with people who are not on 'ego trips'.

[NO-MERCY]

Buzz, as an outsider in this debate I think you have just stated why Rupert put the late KK in his post. Just another coach who hopped from club to club (you actually named 4 of them) along with CN and the likes. What do they achieve in the long run, certainly not a good reputation because when they leave they gut the club. It must be a thrill for Ovingham to get somebody to bring along 10-15 players but in my experience with these guys pick their mates first, then club people second.
Take it from me this is exactly what happened with these guys at all of their previous clubs.

Incidently 04 premiership Coach, I agree with everything Rupert has said and I am an ex Ovingham player, long time ago but that's when the club functioned as it should now, properly with people who are not on 'ego trips'

aceman.