1975 season

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That would be logical too, but with such a phrase that may not have a pinpoint origin (unless if the Hicks term is the one), my opinion is it may have had its embryonic stage around the mid 70s. Certainly like the VFL at the time, four clubs almost had a monopoly on the flags in the late 60s to early 80s. Between 1967 and 1983 only Hawthorn, North Melbourne, Carlton and Richmond won flags. And almost in the exact period, apart from North in 1971 and 1972, only Sturt, Glenelg, Norwood and Port won flags between 1965 and 1982.

[Adelaide Hawk]

[In the Tigers of Old DVD Cornes' comments on the 75 GF are not bitter more of disappointment that they didn't produce on the day when they were at their peak. One premiership from four GFs 73-77 (should have been five if it wasn't for Des Foster in the 76 prelim ) is a pretty poor result. So it is not bitterness towards Norwood it is disappointment towards themselves - the players noone else certainly not Kerley even though he blames himself for a poor coaching move - He put Wayne Phillis into the ruck to get us going which freed up Ross Dillon IIRC.
Happy to be corrected.

You recall correctly. Phillis played a great game and shadowed Dillon all day. Phillis was moved into the ruck and Dillon took 2-3 strong marks and set up scoring opportunities. Can't blame Kerley for shifting Phillis into the ruck, Button had dominated all day.

[rogernumber10]

Whatever it was, I'd just like the Legs to be part of a big 'anything' at the moment.

[am Bays]

You recall correctly. Phillis played a great game and shadowed Dillon all day. Phillis was moved into the ruck and Dillon took 2-3 strong marks and set up scoring opportunities. Can't blame Kerley for shifting Phillis into the ruck, Button had dominated all day.

He doesn't despute that he had to make the move, he just says it was the wrong move in that it should have been Carey or someone else into the ruck and leave Phillis on Dillon.

I'm basing my "recollections" on what I've read and heard (from DVDs). The first year I really got into footy was 1977 as a 5/6 yo. So any comments on games before that come without any direct recollection i.e. being there.

Great, my first year following the BAys we get beat by Port in a GF....I'm still waiting for revenge....

[am Bays]

Whatever it was, I'd just like the Legs to be part of a big 'anything' at the moment.

fear not, last Friday night was big for us Bays fans...

[Mr66]

That would be logical too, but with such a phrase that may not have a pinpoint origin (unless if the Hicks term is the one), my opinion is it may have had its embryonic stage around the mid 70s. Certainly like the VFL at the time, four clubs almost had a monopoly on the flags in the late 60s to early 80s. Between 1967 and 1983 only Hawthorn, North Melbourne, Carlton and Richmond won flags. And almost in the exact period, apart from North in 1971 and 1972, only Sturt, Glenelg, Norwood and Port won flags between 1965 and 1982.

If you talk to a lot of people who can remember this period(me included) they will tell
you that this was a golden era in both the SANFL & VFL.
Even though the same teams won flags, the standard of football was magnificent.

[spell_check]

That would be logical too, but with such a phrase that may not have a pinpoint origin (unless if the Hicks term is the one), my opinion is it may have had its embryonic stage around the mid 70s. Certainly like the VFL at the time, four clubs almost had a monopoly on the flags in the late 60s to early 80s. Between 1967 and 1983 only Hawthorn, North Melbourne, Carlton and Richmond won flags. And almost in the exact period, apart from North in 1971 and 1972, only Sturt, Glenelg, Norwood and Port won flags between 1965 and 1982.

If you talk to a lot of people who can remember this period(me included) they will tell
you that this was a golden era in both the SANFL & VFL.
Even though the same teams won flags, the standard of football was magnificent.

And I would agree too from what I know (and have seen on tapes) of then. Because it was football first and athletes second. And coaches did not try to complicate the game like they do now.

[Mr66]

And umpires went by the spirit of the game and not by the letter of the law.
And you could get away with a bit of biffo.

[Adelaide Hawk]

The main reason I was asking was that I can remember Graham Cornes (who never has much positive to say about Norwood) having a whinge about how Glenelg were the ones who really deserved to win the flag that year.

Well Norwood finished top after the 16 wins in a row, but were obviously beaten by Glenelg in the 2nd Semi.
Norwood recovered to win the premiership, but I imagine Cornes and Co were bitter about missing a big opportunity.
Thoughts AH?

To be honest, there have been many times when I have been disappointed by Graham Cornes' attitude towards the Norwood Football Club, his latest comment about Norwood's current dilemma being karma for the way they "treated" the Crows back in 1991 being a perfect example. That comment was both childish and ignorant. Norwood contributed greatly in support of the Crows in 1991, to it's own detriment, and Cornes' only real complaint was the fact Neil Craig would ignore the odd request from Cornes to play a certain player in a chosen position. Cornes tends to blame everyone but himself for the Crows' lack of success from 1991-1994 inc.

Rightly or wrongly, I have tended to attribute his attitude to sour grapes resulting from the 1975 Grand Final. I have often heard him say Glenelg were clearly the better side over the year, but the premiership ladder doesn't reflect this, especially the fact Norwood accounted for a rampaging and previously undefeated Glenelg mid-season at the Bay.

Counting the Grand Final, Norwood and Glenelg met 4 times, both sides having won 2 apiece. That would hardly suggest Glenelg were clearly the better side. Of those 4 games, 3 were played at Football Park, 1 at Glenelg, and none at Norwood Oval. Norwood won the match that really counted. And you also have to take into account that 1975 was the only season for many years (before or since) where each team played each other twice, thus creating a true premiership ladder at the end of 18 rounds.

In 1975, Norwood were due. They were destined to win that final, just as Glenelg had done 2 years earlier. Glenelg kicked 7 goals in the 1975 GF, 4 of them came in a burst in the 2nd quarter. Apart from that, Norwood were the better team on the day, and therefore, the year. And I won a very handsome wad of money as a result

[spell_check]

To be honest, there have been many times when I have been disappointed by Graham Cornes' attitude towards the Norwood Football Club, his latest comment about Norwood's current dilemma being karma for the way they "treated" the Crows back in 1991 being a perfect example. That comment was both childish and ignorant. Norwood contributed greatly in support of the Crows in 1991, to it's own detriment, and Cornes' only real complaint was the fact Neil Craig would ignore the odd request from Cornes to play a certain player in a chosen position. Cornes tends to blame everyone but himself for the Crows' lack of success from 1991-1994 inc.

I read that from Cornes and thought, wtf is this about? Even still I think it was a bit petty to do that.

[GWW]

Everyone's favourite journo M Rucci mentioned this matter (Cornes' issues with Norwood) in his Roast yesterday.

[Hondo]

To be honest, there have been many times when I have been disappointed by Graham Cornes' attitude towards the Norwood Football Club, his latest comment about Norwood's current dilemma being karma for the way they "treated" the Crows back in 1991 being a perfect example. That comment was both childish and ignorant. Norwood contributed greatly in support of the Crows in 1991, to it's own detriment, and Cornes' only real complaint was the fact Neil Craig would ignore the odd request from Cornes to play a certain player in a chosen position.

I don't know much about Cornesy's overall attitude to the NFC, so not debating you on that. The "karma" comment doesn't come across well I agree.

But on the specific point about their support or otherwise of the Crows in 1991, I think you may have rose coloured glasses on or time is erasing things from your memory like a fit Rodney Maynard sitting on the bench for an entire game for Norwood (IIRC it was a curtain raiser to a Crows game).

Neil Craig has publicly admitted that Norwood actively made things difficult for the Crows and he now regrets his part in his club's actions at the time.

Some other clubs didn't go out of their way either - like North Adelaide.

Having said that, put myself in their shoes at the time and my club has gone from one of the most high profile in the State to suddenly on the back-burner and I'd think twice if I was told where I had to play someone. These problems continue to the current day.

Ironically, Cornesey says the most helpful coach/club at the time was Port Adelaide.

[JK]

[In the Tigers of Old DVD Cornes' comments on the 75 GF are not bitter more of disappointment that they didn't produce on the day when they were at their peak. One premiership from four GFs 73-77 (should have been five if it wasn't for Des Foster in the 76 prelim ) is a pretty poor result. So it is not bitterness towards Norwood it is disappointment towards themselves - the players noone else certainly not Kerley even though he blames himself for a poor coaching move - He put Wayne Phillis into the ruck to get us going which freed up Ross Dillon IIRC.
Happy to be corrected.

You recall correctly. Phillis played a great game and shadowed Dillon all day. Phillis was moved into the ruck and Dillon took 2-3 strong marks and set up scoring opportunities. Can't blame Kerley for shifting Phillis into the ruck, Button had dominated all day.

Good call AH ... I was only 3 in 1975 so sadly missed a golden season, but I think I've watched the Grand Final on VHS about 3,000 times.

It's the only vision I saw of Dillon but my old man always speaks ultra highly of him, although it's hard to guage from that game because he was kept so tightly in check and battered from pillar to post - The Bays didn't miss too many opportunites to tickle his ribs, great stuff to watch.

The one thing I always used to think was that Norwood's fringe players played a bit better than Glenelg's on the day.

Can anyone tell me much about Bob Tardiff? Looked very ordinary in the vision of that game, was he an average player or good player that had a bad day at the office?

[Adelaide Hawk]

But on the specific point about their support or otherwise of the Crows in 1991, I think you may have rose coloured glasses on or time is erasing things from your memory like a fit Rodney Maynard sitting on the bench for an entire game for Norwood :shock: (IIRC it was a curtain raiser to a Crows game).

Neil Craig has publicly admitted that Norwood actively made things difficult for the Crows and he now regrets his part in his club's actions at the time.

Hondo I already stated that Neil Craig didn't play certain players in prefered positions .. that includes playing Maynard off the bench. I fail to see how I may have "rose coloured glasses". Mystifying comment.

And I love your comment about Neil Craig regretting "his part in the club's actions", as if he was just a small part of what was happening. Who was coach? Who made the decisions as to how the players lined up? Craig was solely responsible for these decisions, not the Norwood Football Club.

Cornes could write a book full of conspiracy theories in relation to his time as Crows coach .... most of it would be crap.

[Adelaide Hawk]

I was only 3 in 1975 so sadly missed a golden season, but I think I've watched the Grand Final on VHS about 3,000 times.

It's the only vision I saw of Dillon but my old man always speaks ultra highly of him, although it's hard to guage from that game because he was kept so tightly in check and battered from pillar to post - The Bays didn't miss too many opportunites to tickle his ribs, great stuff to watch.

The one thing I always used to think was that Norwood's fringe players played a bit better than Glenelg's on the day.

Can anyone tell me much about Bob Tardiff? Looked very ordinary in the vision of that game, was he an average player or good player that had a bad day at the office?

Ross Dillon was recruited from Melbourne in 1973 and in those days SANFL clubs could pick up some real quality recruits from the VFL. Dillon wasn't overly tall, but he had tremendous physical strength and a strong one grab mark, especially in packs.

The comical part about Dillon was he wore contact lenses and when he first came to Norwood he was missing some goals from easy range and couldn't work out why. When examined by an optician, they discovered he was wearing the lenses in the wrong eyes.

On Tardif, I'd prefer to leave it to Tigers fans to comment as they would have seen a lot more of him than I did. He was Glenelg's regular No.1 ruckman (along with Tregenza) for a few seasons, allowing Carey to play CHF.

My memories of him were of quite a good player. I wouldn't rate him amongst the elite ruckmen, but certainly serviceable.

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I've also seen the match when it was on Fox Footy (and taped it). There seemed to be a few Glenelg players who had an off day, or was not their potent best. Although Fred Phillis had only kicked 6 behinds, that was his only bad point of the day, because he did mark whatever came to him. The pressure from Norwood ensured it was nowhere near as much ball feeding that he got during the year. Peter Marker didn't have the impact he normally did, neither did Graham Cornes.

[Mr66]

Did the weather play any part in the game?
I get the feeling the wind negated Glenelg's attack all day from what I've seen.

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Did the weather play any part in the game?
I get the feeling the wind negated Glenelg's attack all day from what I've seen.

From the way the papers were moving on the ground, it looked fairly windy (and gusty). Norwood did well defending into it in the 2nd, apart from a burst of Glenelg goals late in that quarter.

[Adelaide Hawk]

Did the weather play any part in the game?
I get the feeling the wind negated Glenelg's attack all day from what I've seen.

From the way the papers were moving on the ground, it looked fairly windy (and gusty). Norwood did well defending into it in the 2nd, apart from a burst of Glenelg goals late in that quarter.

In those days it was usually windy at Football Park due to breezes coming off the coast and the arena not being surrounded by stands as it is today. The previous year, Sturt also hung on into a stronger breeze in the final term to defeat Glenelg.

Glenelg had played enough footy at the Park to know how to cope with the windy conditions, they were simply outplayed. A lot was made of Fred Phillis' inability to kick goals but Jim Michalanney kicked a purler of a goal from the right forward pocket to demonstrate how it could be done.

[Leaping Lindner]

Judging by the amount of points kicked, i'd say there was a fair chance it was a shocker of a day, windy etc.

Nope. Funnily enough IIRC it was a fine day with little wind. Just absolute shocking kicking for goal by both sides.