Southern Football League

[Kart Horse]

2 divisions works in the Hills League. Clubs still get sponsors and recruit players. In fact i think it would be easier for clubs in div. 2 to retain locals if they were more competitve and the chance of playing finals.
Division one would put on some top matches each week - I can only see positives for the Southern League going to 2 divisions.
Which teams would make up div 1 and 2 ?

Div 1
Morphett Vale
Brighton
Reynella
Cove
Happy Valley
Noarlunga
Edwardstown
Port Noarlunga

Bottom 2 go down!

Div 2
Marion
Flagstaff Hill
Morphetville Park
Christies Beach
Lonsdale
Aldinga
Hackham

Grand Finalists go up!

Works for the SAAFL and they have 7 divs and have no trouble recruiting!

Swap Marion & Noarlunga.
Would this actually happen or is it the same debate that goes right back to the start of the Southern Football League Forum?

Would have to swap Noarlunga and Pt Noarlunga with Christies and Morphy parks! Last years top 8!

[vics01]

Kart Horse
Would have to swap Noarlunga and Pt Noarlunga with Christies and Morphy parks! Last years top 8!

I would think that you have take a measure over say the five years to split divisions.

Quote from the SFL Visionary Statement 2009.

A good league is one that provides a good standard of competition for all, develops it's juniors to fill its senior ranks at a later date and most importantly provides a comfortable, viable enviroment in which to participate.

It does not appear that the SFL are providing a good standard of competition for all.
Allowing juniors to develop
A comfortable viable enviroment to participate

Further quote from VS 2009

Without some change the SFL will stagnate and it will become difficult to attract and retain players as well as the inclusion of new clubs to the League

Maybe they should follow their own vision before it is to late for some

[Look Good In Leather]

2 divisions works in the Hills League. Clubs still get sponsors and recruit players. In fact i think it would be easier for clubs in div. 2 to retain locals if they were more competitve and the chance of playing finals.
Division one would put on some top matches each week - I can only see positives for the Southern League going to 2 divisions.
Which teams would make up div 1 and 2 ?

Div 1
Morphett Vale
Brighton
Reynella
Cove
Happy Valley
Noarlunga
Edwardstown
Port Noarlunga

Bottom 2 go down!

Div 2
Marion
Flagstaff Hill
Morphetville Park
Christies Beach
Lonsdale
Aldinga
Hackham

Grand Finalists go up!

Works for the SAAFL and they have 7 divs and have no trouble recruiting!

How do you work that one? Port Noarlunga & Noarlunga both missed finals last year
Edwardstown don't have juniors - thus in 2 grades they are lower than bottom

Pre-requisite for Div 1 has to be all 5 saturday grades

[Vulcan]

I'm not sure if any of the people that have commented on the 2 division topic are people from the lower clubs,if not I'd like to hear the opinions of lower clubs supporters on what they think is the correct way to go?

[asert]

2 divisions works in the Hills League. Clubs still get sponsors and recruit players. In fact i think it would be easier for clubs in div. 2 to retain locals if they were more competitve and the chance of playing finals.
Division one would put on some top matches each week - I can only see positives for the Southern League going to 2 divisions.
Which teams would make up div 1 and 2 ?

Div 1
Morphett Vale
Brighton
Reynella
Cove
Happy Valley
Noarlunga
Edwardstown
Port Noarlunga

Bottom 2 go down!

Div 2
Marion
Flagstaff Hill
Morphetville Park
Christies Beach
Lonsdale
Aldinga
Hackham

Grand Finalists go up!

Works for the SAAFL and they have 7 divs and have no trouble recruiting!

Go play in the saafl and you won't need to complain. You cove supporters that keep starting this topic should have seen what it does to div 2 teams as you were one and should know better.

[the big bang]

For anyone around Morphettville Park this Sunday the SA Womens Football League will be playing tis round 2 matches on the 'pasty' with game 1 Eagles V Port and Game 2 Morphettville V Central Districts. Get out for a look and support these ladies who can actually play football! (They would beat your Hackham and Aldinga's).

you're a joke

[AFLflyer]

get your tips in lads and ladettes (fisho)

[vics01]

ASERT
I dont believe it was Cove supporters who threw the first stone this time around.

However yes Cove does remember what two Divs were like and Cove worked hard to improve themselves. Won a Flag and did not get promoted to Div 1 due to no promotion/relegation system being in place.

While you and your mates sit around HUA you are missing the point it is not goodfor the comp to have thrashings whether it be at this time M/Vale/Reynella/BDOS/Cove/Valley's on top of the pack or Aldinga/Hackham or who ever in 5 years. IT IS NOT GOOD FOR FOOTY

It is creating a quasi Div 2 with no hope of the current lesser side improving

THe current set up means that the SFL courting disaster fiar dinkum one would think that a Division system is a new invention it works well all over the world, but apparently not in the South of Adelaide.

Of course we could play conference footy, which would mean at present that Aldinga would not have been beaten by 40 goals on Saturday against Cove, but it wont stop M/Vale doing the same on Saturday. How is that good for Aldinga or M/Vale or promoting the SFL.

I rest and will sit back this year and watch Cove/MVale/Reynella/Valley's/BDOS play about 8 competitive games and 10 nothing games for the home and away.

Or Maybe the SFL can fiddle the fixture some more to allow less compeitive sides play one week of finals while the better sides Knock each other out.????

[HH3]

I'm not sure if any of the people that have commented on the 2 division topic are people from the lower clubs,if not I'd like to hear the opinions of lower clubs supporters on what they think is the correct way to go?

Im not sure of the correct way to go, but i think 2 divisions wouldnt help Hackham or Aldinga. Ive said this 100 times and its starting to get really old, but if 2 divisions were created, i highly doubt either Hackham or Aldinga would survive very long. Juniors would leave to better clubs, the few players we do have that are good enough to make A grade sides in the top division would leave.

I can only speak from hackhams point of view but i think in a couple of seasons we could be competitive. People say we've had enough time (5 or so years) to get our act together, but in reality, our piss weak "coach" left us for dead in Rd 7 2008...putting us even further behind the 8 ball. I would say in 2009 Denis got an idea of how we play, what we need to work on, etc. Then over the offseason we have recruited some better players than we've had in the past. And now we are learning to play together as a unit.

People that have actually come and watched us play would agree that we have an actual gameplan, that actually works when done correctly.

We did get smashed on the weekend, and to be honest, we didnt think it would be that huge. But hopefully this weekend we will show what we can actually do. We might not win, but im sure the scoreboard will look a fair bit different than it did against Valleys.

[HH3]

I rest and will sit back this year and watch Cove/MVale/Reynella/Valley's/BDOS play about 8 competitive games and 10 nothing games for the home and away.

Well wouldnt it make more sense for those 5 clubs to move to a comp that has a better standard of teams, so they can have competitive games, rather than the other 10 (two thirds) of the comp having to suffer for them to be happy? Then the SFL will be a 10 team comp and everyone will be happy. You get your good games of footy and the SFL is a more evenly matched 10 team league.

Now i know everyones gonna have a hissy fit because this isnt putting the sacred top teams interests first, but to be honest i dont give a ****. Seems like a good idea to me. And im sure a few people would agree with me.

[ol man emu]

2 divisions works in the Hills League. Clubs still get sponsors and recruit players. In fact i think it would be easier for clubs in div. 2 to retain locals if they were more competitve and the chance of playing finals.
Division one would put on some top matches each week - I can only see positives for the Southern League going to 2 divisions.
Which teams would make up div 1 and 2 ?

Div 1
Morphett Vale
Brighton
Reynella
Cove
Happy Valley
Noarlunga
Edwardstown
Port Noarlunga

Bottom 2 go down!

Div 2
Marion
Flagstaff Hill
Morphetville Park
Christies Beach
Lonsdale
Aldinga
Hackham

Grand Finalists go up!

Works for the SAAFL and they have 7 divs and have no trouble recruiting!

Go play in the saafl and you won't need to complain. You cove supporters that keep starting this topic should have seen what it does to div 2 teams as you were one and should know better.

Swap Edwardstown for Flagstaff hill. Must have full list of juniors to play div 1.
Clubs with duel sides can play in div 2.

[ol man emu]

I rest and will sit back this year and watch Cove/MVale/Reynella/Valley's/BDOS play about 8 competitive games and 10 nothing games for the home and away.

Well wouldnt it make more sense for those 5 clubs to move to a comp that has a better standard of teams, so they can have competitive games, rather than the other 10 (two thirds) of the comp having to suffer for them to be happy? Then the SFL will be a 10 team comp and everyone will be happy. You get your good games of footy and the SFL is a more evenly matched 10 team league.

Now i know everyones gonna have a hissy fit because this isnt putting the sacred top teams interests first, but to be honest i dont give a ****. Seems like a good idea to me. And im sure a few people would agree with me.

Why should the sacred top teams move on because the bottom teams can't keep up.
You've had ten years, how many more do you want?
It's the interest of football im thinking of. I think your the one being selfish.

[HH3]

I rest and will sit back this year and watch Cove/MVale/Reynella/Valley's/BDOS play about 8 competitive games and 10 nothing games for the home and away.

Well wouldnt it make more sense for those 5 clubs to move to a comp that has a better standard of teams, so they can have competitive games, rather than the other 10 (two thirds) of the comp having to suffer for them to be happy? Then the SFL will be a 10 team comp and everyone will be happy. You get your good games of footy and the SFL is a more evenly matched 10 team league.

Now i know everyones gonna have a hissy fit because this isnt putting the sacred top teams interests first, but to be honest i dont give a ****. Seems like a good idea to me. And im sure a few people would agree with me.

Why should the sacred top teams move on because the bottom teams can't keep up.
You've had ten years, how many more do you want?
It's the interest of football im thinking of. I think your the one being selfish.

Mate, Im not the one complaining about the league. If you dont like it, move leagues. Simple. Dont hang shit on the lower teams just because Morphies are having a good patch. Your names Ol' Man Emu, so depending how old you were, you wouldve been playing/supporting Morphies when they were getting belted. I bet you weren't telling other people how to run their clubs then.

[HH3]

Works for the SAAFL and they have 7 divs and have no trouble recruiting!

The SAAFL doesnt have most of their teams all in the same general area. If players that live in Smithfield wanted to play Div 1 they would have to travel to play.

In the SFL, if a Hackham or Lonsdale player wanted to play Div 1 they could just go to M/V, Porties, Cove, Reynella, Noarlunga...all within 10-15 mins of each other.

[vics01]

HH3
You were the one that suggested that Hackham V Aldinga would have been a fairer start than what you had. eg Cove v Valley and Alding v Hackham: Sorry you mean Current Div 1 v Current Div 2.


You should wake up before it is to late Thommo cant keep doing all the work to keep you guys afloat.

Good idea lets have M/Vale/Reynella/Bdos/Valleys/Cove go to another league who would then come and play SFL that is another HUA comment.

Maybe the top @ present 8 clubs should look to joining the CFB and starting another Southern League.

They will not be the top forever but at present they are so get over it and stop crying. Think about inproving the comp as a whole

No one is denying the work the Hawks have done but maybe it would be better in a more even comp.

[Axle Rose]

I rest and will sit back this year and watch Cove/MVale/Reynella/Valley's/BDOS play about 8 competitive games and 10 nothing games for the home and away.

Well wouldnt it make more sense for those 5 clubs to move to a comp that has a better standard of teams, so they can have competitive games, rather than the other 10 (two thirds) of the comp having to suffer for them to be happy? Then the SFL will be a 10 team comp and everyone will be happy. You get your good games of footy and the SFL is a more evenly matched 10 team league.

Now i know everyones gonna have a hissy fit because this isnt putting the sacred top teams interests first, but to be honest i dont give a ****. Seems like a good idea to me. And im sure a few people would agree with me.

Why should the sacred top teams move on because the bottom teams can't keep up.
You've had ten years, how many more do you want?
It's the interest of football im thinking of. I think your the one being selfish.

Mate, Im not the one complaining about the league. If you dont like it, move leagues. Simple. Dont hang **** on the lower teams just because Morphies are having a good patch. Your names Ol' Man Emu, so depending how old you were, you wouldve been playing/supporting Morphies when they were getting belted. I bet you weren't telling other people how to run their clubs then.

Your dead right. He wasnt telling other people how to run their clubs, rather working extremely hard at trying to turn the fortunes of his own club around. Job well done id say.

[ol man emu]

I rest and will sit back this year and watch Cove/MVale/Reynella/Valley's/BDOS play about 8 competitive games and 10 nothing games for the home and away.

Well wouldnt it make more sense for those 5 clubs to move to a comp that has a better standard of teams, so they can have competitive games, rather than the other 10 (two thirds) of the comp having to suffer for them to be happy? Then the SFL will be a 10 team comp and everyone will be happy. You get your good games of footy and the SFL is a more evenly matched 10 team league.

Now i know everyones gonna have a hissy fit because this isnt putting the sacred top teams interests first, but to be honest i dont give a ****. Seems like a good idea to me. And im sure a few people would agree with me.

Why should the sacred top teams move on because the bottom teams can't keep up.
You've had ten years, how many more do you want?
It's the interest of football im thinking of. I think your the one being selfish.

Mate, Im not the one complaining about the league. If you dont like it, move leagues. Simple. Dont hang **** on the lower teams just because Morphies are having a good patch. Your names Ol' Man Emu, so depending how old you were, you wouldve been playing/supporting Morphies when they were getting belted. I bet you weren't telling other people how to run their clubs then.

Have not hang shit on any club. Have not told any one how to run there club.
Just looking to watch decent games of football. would like to see good crowds,with atmosphere
Want to see kids learning to play football. they dont learn any thing when the score is 38 goals
to nothing, neither team gets any thing out of that.

[vics01]

OME
Have not hang **** on any club. Have not told any one how to run there club.
Just looking to watch decent games of football. would like to see good crowds,with atmosphere
Want to see kids learning to play football. they dont learn any thing when the score is 38 goals
to nothing, neither team gets any thing out of that.

OME they miss the point. Thrashings prove SFA but I can kid myself I am playing Div 1 when really there are no divisions.

Waste of time even promoting achievement in the SFL at present

[HH3]

Axle - Thats exactly what we are trying to do. Leave us to do it.

Ol Man - You say we've had 10 years, well we got put straight back in the shit by a selfish dickhead "coach" in 2008...so really, this group of players and coaching group have had 2 offseasons and 1 season. Give us a break mate.

Vics - Dont tell me whats happening at Hackham...i know exactly whats happening...you wouldnt have a clue...stick to the cobras mate...ta

PS...if none of you like the league...go somewhere more suitable to YOUR needs...we arent complaining...would you expect Richmond to win a flag in the next 5 to 10 years? No...and they're a professional team with heaps of staff and resources...get real about this...its football...

[asert]

A few years ago it was put to the teams of the sfl for the top 4 teams to not play the bottom 4 teams and instead they play their even more times a year but it didn't get passed as clubs didn't agree with it. I think this was the case ie percentage for finals but hey if your a decent chance for finals ie your in the top 4 percentage don't mean shit if you can't win the finals. Might be something worth a look at again, would certainly help the mid range teams to improve with teams like lonsdale getting a few extra wins a year and giving hackham and aldinga a few extra close games with also top teams getting extra hitouts. This then keeps one division but closer to being competative