Southern Football League

[The Panther]

Yeah get the vote going - some real stats on the issue ?

[The Yetti]

Any idea of the sides that have left the SFL that played Div 2 in the nineties

Kangarilla
Meadows
Mclaren by 2
Mitchell Park

Those left
Aldinga
Cove


It would suggest that Div 2 did not work....

[ddonkey]

still same old 20+ goal wins only less teams its gona take a fair bit of time till this idea works? ? again 4-5 shouldnt even bother turning up for finals at moment? thats why say morphettevale get a higher skilled/fitter player come to their clubs to play with higher skilled and fitter/players to play and win GFs thats how it works at our level. We will always see belting in any leauge thats just the way it is and yes it is gona happen again this year with more teams so i guess it just makes for one of those calls again DO WE WANT CHANGE?DONT WE WANT CHANGE and where do we get these numbers from. Once we have decided then we can move on to the next step( which ever way that goes).Everone has opinions but really untill a pro active council is called all we can say is What The![/quote]

Don't forget that 99% of the Morphett Vale boys are "home grown". You must work on your juniors, develop them and retain them.

[ddonkey]

Any idea of the sides that have left the SFL that played Div 2 in the nineties

Kangarilla
Meadows
Mclaren by 2
Mitchell Park

Those left
Aldinga
Cove


It would suggest that Div 2 did not work....

Are you suggesting that the current setup IS working?

[watchdog]

Are junior players currently zoned so they have to play for a particular club if they live at a certain address??

[Panther32]

Kind of makes sense though that everytime this gets voted on it's the teams on the border of Division 1 and Division 2 (6th-8th) that will vote against it. They don't want to be seen in the lower division.
I believe the points system does work. But the state of the league still needs to be in reasonable shape. It currently couldn't get much worse, so it doesn't matter how many points a Hackham or Aldinga get quality players more than likely won't come to the club because of what's gone on over the last few years, unfortunately it's sad but it's the truth. Help these clubs by splitting into two divisions, even if it's only for 10 years to allow them to be more competitive, get some wins, recruit more quality and get the two divisions playing more competitive football week in week out, which players (including juniors) want!
I don't see too many other alternatives if we want to improve things.
My guess is that games such as M/V vs Reynella make a killing on game day, as would say Hackham vs Aldinga, but how many supporters come out to watch Hackham vs M/V or Reynella vs Aldinga when they know it's going to be a 40 goal flogging. All clubs would be better off financially!

[Esteban Vihaio]

Any idea of the sides that have left the SFL that played Div 2 in the nineties

Kangarilla
Meadows
Mclaren by 2
Mitchell Park

Those left
Aldinga
Cove


It would suggest that Div 2 did not work....

Look at the status of the clubs that remained in the single division SFL
Kangarilla - Left after 2 or 3 seasons of mediocrity (7-10)
Aldinga - Have not posted a winning seasons (13-15)
Hackham - Have not posted a winning season (13-15)
Flagstaff Hill - Stuck in mediocrity (7 - 11)
OSB / Lonsdale - May have posted 1 or 2 winning season, but have struggled for the most part (7-13)
Cove - The success story of the former Div2 clubs (1-8)

1 out of 6

Now for the others
McLaren - They merged prior to leaving the SFL - So only "by 1". I've seen many a post suggest they spat it after missing out on Promotion
Mitchell Park - Struggled in Div1 and then in Div2 - SAAFL Div6.
Meadows - I know little of their situation

[Esteban Vihaio]

Yeah get the vote going - some real stats on the issue ?

Panther, you can start a new thread with a poll, the same as they do for the SAAFL each year

[Look Good In Leather]

ASERT
I dont believe it was Cove supporters who threw the first stone this time around.

However yes Cove does remember what two Divs were like and Cove worked hard to improve themselves. Won a Flag and did not get promoted to Div 1 due to no promotion/relegation system being in place.

The option had always been there, Cove would have chosen not to be promoted, as it turned out, 4 years later their hand was forced.

[Numbers]

People are talking about players leaving a Div 2 club if the league was to split into 2 divisions, but my question is where would they go? There maybe a few exceptions, but their clubs are not winning games not because the club is not good enough, but because the players aren't!

If they are not good enough to help their "Div 2" club win games how do they think they will get a game at a "Div 1" club?

[vics01]

LGIL

Cove WANTED to be promoted but the Div 1 Wooden spooner refused to go to Div 2.

Who was that??

[The Yetti]

Just to help you out
2006 Census Statistics of Woodcroft and Morphett Vale
Morphett Vale population 23,052
0-4 years.....1400
5-14 years....2933
15-24 years..3332
Woodcroft population 10,766
0-4 years.....784
5-14 years....1882
15-24 years..1404

Christies Beach Population 4832
0-4 years.....274
5-14 years....504
15-24 years..572

Hallett Cove population 12,272
0-4 years.....625
5-14 years....1717
15-24 years..1902
You can add to that Trott Park, Sheidow Park

Aldinga Beach population 5,981
0-4 years.....464
5-14 years....962
15-24 years..812

Brighton population 3,338
0-4 years.....132
5-14 years....341
15-24 years..400
Plus, Hove Seacliff etc

McLaren Vale District (includes the Flat) population 3,855
0-4 years.....157
5-14 years....521
15-24 years..398

Lonsdale Population 7

It is simply all about numbers people

[Pag]

If clubs who would be in the new 'Div 2' are worried about losing players, they shouldn't be. Sure, you might get the odd one who wants to play a higher level of footy (we had one young guy leave us this year in SAAFL Div 4 to play Div 1), but you will also get an influx of guys who are fringe A Graders at Div 1 level who want to prove themselves as A Grade footballers, and the rest who will hang around because they won't have to get belted by Morphett Vale, Reynella or Brighton anymore.

Just because you may start in Div 2, doesn't mean you're stuck there forever. We were Div 6 in 2001, and in 2004 we were playing Div 3. It's not impossible.

It's not all doom and gloom. Ask clubs in Div 6/7 of the SAAFL, their long term goal is usually to push themselves up the divisions as high as they possibly can, and clubs have done it. There is no reason why SFL 'Div 2' clubs can't be the same, and honestly, other leagues look at your results in the Sunday Mail and shake their head at the moment.

If it works for the SAAFL and the HFL (who are probably more relevant to your situation), why can't it work for the SFL?

[Look Good In Leather]

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As Mr Juicy said, teams in the lower division will strive to play division one and stay there, that's just natural. Having a points system will work over time, but it won't in the current state.

Unless they are called Kangarilla, McLaren Vale or Meadows...

[The Yetti]

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As Mr Juicy said, teams in the lower division will strive to play division one and stay there, that's just natural. Having a points system will work over time, but it won't in the current state.

Unless they are called Kangarilla, McLaren Vale or Meadows...

Or the SFL do not allow a premiership side from div 2 to go up.

[Look Good In Leather]

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As Mr Juicy said, teams in the lower division will strive to play division one and stay there, that's just natural. Having a points system will work over time, but it won't in the current state.

Unless they are called Kangarilla, McLaren Vale or Meadows...

Or the SFL do not allow a premiership side from div 2 to go up.

You did not win the premiership, you lost to Kangarilla in the GF (mind you were you not undefeated up to that point or something?)
I disagreed with them not being promoted, but they had had their chance in the past and not taken it

[Look Good In Leather]

LGIL

Cove WANTED to be promoted but the Div 1 Wooden spooner refused to go to Div 2.

Who was that??

Looking at the teams that played in Div 1 in 1998, I assume it was either Flagstaff Hill, Hackham or O'Sullivan Beach?
Sullies were relegated the following season with Flaggies IIRC due to the loss of McLaren or Meadows or Mitchell Park?

[damian]

For anyone around Morphettville Park this Sunday the SA Womens Football League will be playing tis round 2 matches on the 'pasty' with game 1 Eagles V Port and Game 2 Morphettville V Central Districts. Get out for a look and support these ladies who can actually play football! (They would beat your Hackham and Aldinga's).

you're a joke

Few men out there that don't like the fact that some women can play better footy than them!!

[Bag The Points]

I can't believe some of the misinformation going on in this debate. For starters, Cove WON THE PREMIERSHIP in Div Two in 1998 and were refused access to Division One. They subsequently lost players who wanted to play Div One.
Then there's the population of Lonsdale ---- 7
This club is an amalgamation of Lonsdale and O'Suliivan Beach. There's a lot of houses down around Galloway Road when I last looked.

[The Yetti]

I can't believe some of the misinformation going on in this debate. For starters, Cove WON THE PREMIERSHIP in Div Two in 1998 and were refused access to Division One. They subsequently lost players who wanted to play Div One.
Then there's the population of Lonsdale ---- 7
This club is an amalgamation of Lonsdale and O'Suliivan Beach. There's a lot of houses down around Galloway Road when I last looked.

7 live in the suburb of Lonsdale is correct BTP......Straight from the 2006 census quick stats.
Galloway Road is not in Lonsdale, obviously.