Now it's going to be a postal vote that won't count.

[PatowalongaPirate]

The problem for the "yes" camp is every coward who won't admit to being in the "no" camp can cast a vote anonymously.

We are about to see our true colours as a nation.

I hope they don't do similar votes on human rights issues or the treatment of our indigenous population.

[bennymacca]

The PM is hamstrung by trying to avoid a confrontation between the LP's conservatives and progressives which could split the Liberal Party and play into the ALP's hands. His only solution is an overwhelming demonstration of public opinion ( whether it be by plebiscite or postal survey) that will put pressure on the conservative element to go along with the pubic view.

The ALP wants to delay any such result to save the issue for use as a focus in the next federal election, and to hope to use any division within the LP to make sure they win office, so they don't support either option that is possible for the LP.

Oh please , the PM lacks leadership and doesn't have a spine!
As for the ALP , same sex marriage would be sorted and people could freely marry if that was their want.

As I said Turnbull is trying to pull his Conservatives into line with public pressure - doing anything else would be political suicide - not "spine".
Tackling the conservatives head on without demonstrating public opinion to them would doom the "Yes" vote given that their are some ALP MPs and cross-benchers leaning toward voting "No" too.

Billy boy has an unstated objective - he is only focussed on the next election and will use anything and anyone to try to win that even if it means delaying gay marriage to use it as an issue at that next election

There is a lot of distortion of reality going on, based on prejudice and political self-interest, and, yes, a plebiscite or survey will give some of the those opposing gay marriage a platform, but an overwhelming "Yes" vote via some form of public forum will take the whole issue off the back-burner and pull some politicians into line when the vote comes in parliament. Without that we could have a free vote in parliament with no definitive outcome and a lot more stalling.

But Billy would then have his next election issue.

If Shorten was that adamant it the law should be changed he should come out & say they'll make it policy if elected. He wont though just in case the no vote wins.

Um shorten has already said it will be policy

[heater31]

I hope they don't do similar votes on human rights issues or the treatment of our indigenous population.

Opinions are like arseholes......everyone has one

With the human rights/indigenous issues hopefully we get a proper binding plebiscite not this watered down glorified council election.....

It's the country's opportunity to have a say and actually have an influence (hopefully the result is respected by the parliament) on a piece of legislation not by some nut job we elect every 3 years and hope their views don't change in comparison to our own.

[cracka]

I am STILL waiting for someone who is voting No to tell me how two people getting married directly affects them

I've got a bad feeling that the no vote is going to get up because of the bullying campaign the yes people are running.

This 'bullying' is a construct of the no-vote.

I haven't heard of any yes campaign people getting death threats or having their businesses burnt to the ground though.

[Q.]

I am STILL waiting for someone who is voting No to tell me how two people getting married directly affects them

I've got a bad feeling that the no vote is going to get up because of the bullying campaign the yes people are running.

This 'bullying' is a construct of the no-vote.

I haven't heard of any yes campaign people getting death threats or having their businesses burnt to the ground though.

Are you joking? Look harder.

[cracka]

I am STILL waiting for someone who is voting No to tell me how two people getting married directly affects them

I've got a bad feeling that the no vote is going to get up because of the bullying campaign the yes people are running.

This 'bullying' is a construct of the no-vote.

I haven't heard of any yes campaign people getting death threats or having their businesses burnt to the ground though.

Are you joking? Look harder.

No not joking. The 3 ladies in the no campaign add have all received them. I honestly haven't heard of any yes campaigners receiving them. For the record I'm on the yes side.

[Psyber]

I found this interesting: https://theconversation.com/to-christia ... sive-82498

[Magellan]

I am STILL waiting for someone who is voting No to tell me how two people getting married directly affects them

I've got a bad feeling that the no vote is going to get up because of the bullying campaign the yes people are running.

This 'bullying' is a construct of the no-vote.

I haven't heard of any yes campaign people getting death threats or having their businesses burnt to the ground though.

That's because no-one expects the Spanish Inquisition.

[MW]

Reckon the no vote will win same way Trump got in. A lot of yes supporters won't vote assuming they'll just get up.

[Q.]

Reckon the no vote will win same way Trump got in. A lot of yes supporters won't vote assuming they'll just get up.

Not a great comparison. He lost the popular vote and, well, this is a popular vote.

[MW]

Either way the no vote will win

[Q.]

Either way the no vote will win

Doubtful. Latest polls showing 58% in favour

[heater31]

Either way the no vote will win

Doubtful. Latest polls showing 58% in favour

but falling.....which for the yes camp would be concerning

[Jase]

I do wonder how many no voters that are "hiding". What I mean is, they plan to vote no, but when people ask them they will say yes, just to keep the peace...

Hey I'm voting yes, but I'm sure there are others who plan to vote no but don't want any agro...

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[Q.]

Either way the no vote will win

Doubtful. Latest polls showing 58% in favour

but falling.....which for the yes camp would be concerning

Ten percent are undecided... Even if they all fall to the no vote, it won't be enough

[Q.]

I do wonder how many no voters that are "hiding". What I mean is, they plan to vote no, but when people ask them they will say yes, just to keep the peace...

Hey I'm voting yes, but I'm sure there are others who plan to vote no but don't want any agro...

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Polling is anonymous

[heater31]

Hey I'm voting yes, but I'm sure there are others who plan to vote no but don't want any agro...

I've already witnessed 1 argument in the front bar of a pub that almost ended in a punch on......This was a Monday night mind you

[Jase]

I do wonder how many no voters that are "hiding". What I mean is, they plan to vote no, but when people ask them they will say yes, just to keep the peace...

Hey I'm voting yes, but I'm sure there are others who plan to vote no but don't want any agro...

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Polling is anonymous

Fair enough then... [emoji106]

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[cracka]

If Shorten was that adamant it the law should be changed he should come out & say they'll make it policy if elected. He wont though just in case the no vote wins.

Um shorten has already said it will be policy

I didn't think he had yet because of the slight chance the no vote gets up, he'll knowingly be going to an election with a policy Australia doesn't want.

[MW]

Australians who voted dont want