Things that give you the sh1ts

[Booney]

I am wearing thin with people who use "o" (oh) in a phone number oh4oh3,it's a zero,not an "o"

[RustyCage]

I know a few teachers who you cant hold a decent conversation with about the business world and its mechanics and dont understand the pressure of private enterprise...thats all Im saying...

Thats because we dont need to know about all that stuff. Just the same as if I was to have a converstation with you about constructivism, or the work of Jean Piaget, or the setting up of a community or inquiry, or the new report card process, the changing dynamics of a classroom.... You learn what you need to learn to do what you do. If you are in business, you learn about business, if you are a teacher, you learn about education. Nothing to do with one being better than the other.

And I present to you "Exhibit A"....

Hmm...As soon as I saw that quote pafc1870 I knew we would be in trouble

I think what you're trying to say is this: If I was a high school economics teacher I would definitely be expected to know about the machinations of the business world. But surely you wouldn't expect that from all teachers (eg a high school art teacher, or a general primary school teacher like myself)? Just like I wouldn't expect Mr Economics to teach my kid about Renaissance art or how to spell big words.

Our job, everything being equal and especially at primary level, is to turn out well-rounded individuals who have learned how to learn, get along with others and have gained the skills to become successful at whatever they pursue later on. Not to produce robotic little grey-faced economists who toe the line, look after the shareholders, snag a trophy wife, exploit others in pursuit of profit and vote Liberal.

That's for private schools

Thank you Zip Zap, thats exactly what I meant but was too lazy to write in full. At least I knew what I meant, even if no one else did!!

[RustyCage]

I've always wondered why so many people think that private education is so much better than public. Is it the flashy uniforms? Is it the shitload of 4WDs out the front every day? Is it that you have to pay a lot of money to go there, so therefore it must be good? It is the higher TER scores that come out of the private schools? (which is because more people who go there want to go to uni rather than straight into work or TAFE as with a public school).

I suspect that another factor is the feeling that as a paying customer you have a bit more weight if you are not happy with the way things are being done, whether it is in the way the curriculum is run or the way behaviour and drug issues are being handled. You can front the Principal, and policy is not determined by some unreachable bureacrat in head office, who allegedly knows better than you. More highly educated people are likely to favour this. I went to a state High School - Woodville - but my step-daughter went to a private girls' school in Adelaide.

It is much the same as health policy. My wife needed a CT Scan recently to exclude lung cancer [all clear] and the specialist she saw privately is a consultant at a local public hospital with part-time private practice rights, and he referred her to their Radiology department. But I found out from a technical contact that a local private Radiology company had a scanner that was 9x more sensitive, verified it with a doctor I knew, and had her diverted there! The cost as a privately referred patient was the same in both places.

Firstly, education is a lot different than the medical field. Secondly, the differences between public and private schools you mentioned are not quite right. Policy in a public school is not chosen by someone in an office miles away as you stated. Public schools aren't just puppets for the government or DECS or whoever.

Those differences were there when I acquired a teenage step-daughter, but that was I admit 15 years ago. My brother-in-law is a senior high school teacher in SA and he is very attached to the public system, but from what he has said in passing conversation recently about problems he has experienced it still seems to be true, and he is not a disgruntled teacher, he actually approves of the system and is mildly disapproving of private schooling. Then he is a nice guy but very conventional and knows very little outside his field and sport - he is another Port Adelaide supporter. [While visiting recently I cleaned over 200 spyware items off a family computer for them.]

I have known a lot of teachers socially, usually like the brother-in-law, nice people, but conventional and unimaginative, and inclined to live inside their careers. I suspect the "never left school" thing does apply to many.

On the other hand a Hells Angel of my acquaintance sends his kids to a private school and they are very well behaved - mind you Dad is also very composed, polite, and business-like - not feral at all - presumably unless you cross him or interfere with his business. He keeps his kids away from "business".

I think family is a bigger influence on how people turn out than the school system they are educated in, i.e. if the school had one view and the family had another view, the student would be more influenced by the family than the school.

You might be right about the never left school thing, and when Im out on a prac I find many of the teachers in the staff room very boring to talk to. I think some people have a lot of trouble getting out of the professional "teacher" mode.

I also think one of the moderators or admins should take these posts out of this thread and into a new one, so it doesn't kill the "what gives you the shits" thread.

[Mr66]

I've always wondered why so many people think that private education is so much better than public. Is it the flashy uniforms? Is it the shitload of 4WDs out the front every day? Is it that you have to pay a lot of money to go there, so therefore it must be good? It is the higher TER scores that come out of the private schools? (which is because more people who go there want to go to uni rather than straight into work or TAFE as with a public school).

I suspect that another factor is the feeling that as a paying customer you have a bit more weight if you are not happy with the way things are being done, whether it is in the way the curriculum is run or the way behaviour and drug issues are being handled. You can front the Principal, and policy is not determined by some unreachable bureacrat in head office, who allegedly knows better than you. More highly educated people are likely to favour this. I went to a state High School - Woodville - but my step-daughter went to a private girls' school in Adelaide.

It is much the same as health policy. My wife needed a CT Scan recently to exclude lung cancer [all clear] and the specialist she saw privately is a consultant at a local public hospital with part-time private practice rights, and he referred her to their Radiology department. But I found out from a technical contact that a local private Radiology company had a scanner that was 9x more sensitive, verified it with a doctor I knew, and had her diverted there! The cost as a privately referred patient was the same in both places.

Firstly, education is a lot different than the medical field. Secondly, the differences between public and private schools you mentioned are not quite right. Policy in a public school is not chosen by someone in an office miles away as you stated. Public schools aren't just puppets for the government or DECS or whoever.

Those differences were there when I acquired a teenage step-daughter, but that was I admit 15 years ago. My brother-in-law is a senior high school teacher in SA and he is very attached to the public system, but from what he has said in passing conversation recently about problems he has experienced it still seems to be true, and he is not a disgruntled teacher, he actually approves of the system and is mildly disapproving of private schooling. Then he is a nice guy but very conventional and knows very little outside his field and sport - he is another Port Adelaide supporter. [While visiting recently I cleaned over 200 spyware items off a family computer for them.]

I have known a lot of teachers socially, usually like the brother-in-law, nice people, but conventional and unimaginative, and inclined to live inside their careers. I suspect the "never left school" thing does apply to many.

On the other hand a Hells Angel of my acquaintance sends his kids to a private school and they are very well behaved - mind you Dad is also very composed, polite, and business-like - not feral at all - presumably unless you cross him or interfere with his business. He keeps his kids away from "business".

I think family is a bigger influence on how people turn out than the school system they are educated in, i.e. if the school had one view and the family had another view, the student would be more influenced by the family than the school.

You might be right about the never left school thing, and when Im out on a prac I find many of the teachers in the staff room very boring to talk to. I think some people have a lot of trouble getting out of the professional "teacher" mode.

I also think one of the moderators or admins should take these posts out of this thread and into a new one, so it doesn't kill the "what gives you the shits" thread.

These posts.

[Gilly]

1. Posts that are quoted in their entirety and then requoted ad nauseam with every subsequent reply.

2. Victorians who confuse their "a"s with their "e"s, e.g. Malbourne, Nick Del Santo, Stan Elves, etc.

3. People who pronounce "here" like it has 2 syllables, i.e. "hee yar".

[Wedgie]

Databases that don't update everything they should.

[johntheclaret]

1. Posts that are quoted in their entirety and then requoted ad nauseam with every subsequent reply.

2. Victorians who confuse their "a"s with their "e"s, e.g. Malbourne, Nick Del Santo, Stan Elves, etc.

3. People who pronounce "here" like it has 2 syllables, i.e. "hee yar".

or "ear"

[Mr66]

Commentators saying 'The' West Coast.

[Rik E Boy]

I am wearing thin with people who use "o" (oh) in a phone number oh4oh3,it's a zero,not an "o"

That is the sort of adverstising you get when you watch late night TV Booney.

regards,

REB

[Thiele]

When you tell people you are going to meet them at a certain time they don't rock up. You try to conntact them on their mobile no answer they arrive an hour late and they say it is your fault

[johntheclaret]

When you tell people you are going to meet them at a certain time they don't rock up. You try to conntact them on their mobile no answer they arrive an hour late and they say it is your fault

Especially when you are paying by the hour

[Thiele]

When you tell people you are going to meet them at a certain time they don't rock up. You try to conntact them on their mobile no answer they arrive an hour late and they say it is your fault

Especially when you are paying by the hour

Well said mate

[Thiele]

People who ask you can switch over to the races when you are watching another program but they are listening to the race aswell

[JK]

People who, in reference to something like a great sporting achievement, comment "It makes you proud to be Australian" ... I think perspective gets lost and we should all be proud to be Australian for things like our way of life.

Im sure many make the comments with the right intention, but watching Glenn McGrath rip through a batting order or getting smashed around the park doesn't make me any more or less proud to be an Aussie.

[Interceptor]

Sports commentators or players who use the cliche 'a tough day at the office' or variations of that one.

FFS, that's such a stupid expression and a wank

[Gilly]

Sports commentators or players who use the cliche 'a tough day at the office' or variations of that one.

Dennis Commetti. This bloke has become a parody of himself. It's almost as if he has a checklist of compulsory cliches and he ticks them off throughout the game.

[Booney]

Sport commentators who say "he has paid the ultimate price" when a player misses a set shot.

[scoob]

One eyed supporters that cant see pass their noses
one eyed supporters that appeal for free kicks that are obviously not there!!!

[zipzap]

How every commercial network in their tv show promos has a strong male voiceover, with a sultry female cooing in the background. I can't explain it properly but once you notice it, it will drive you nuts.

People who use Yank phrases like 24/7 and 'Up close and personal'.

How very few people on TV pronounce the l in Australia (Orstraya).

Gay Hollywood gossip reporters on morning breakfast shows.

Morning breakfast shows.

How Pilko in the morning reads out his scripted radio promos in a fake casual way to make it sound like he's a fun guy.

How they turn chocolate bars into ice creams or bastardise classics like Kit Kats.

Driving behind a truck full of sheep heading to the slaughter house, or worse, the middle east. Makes me want to become vegetarian, for about 3 minutes.

Continually losing to bloody Norwood.

[JK]

People with nothing better to do in their spare time than wait for a new commercial to come out and then ring in and complain about them (ie, the Auskick "Gimme Dat" commercial and a Mutual Community commerical last year).