tigerpie wrote:Relocate all cotton and rice especially to somewhere on the Ord river. If a manufacturers pollutants are hurting the environment they have to put measures in place to minimise the risk. Very expensive exercise for say a steel mill or mine. If they don't they get shut down.
Can someone tell me why these landholders aren't shut down for ruining the environment downstream? Why the federal minister, who presides over these landholders isn't held accountable?
I learnt to waterski on Menindie lakes as a 13 year old and couldn't believe how much water was in them....and in the middle of a desert.
Now a 13 year old could only learn how to parasail. It disgusts me.
End of rant!
You realize that 1850 GL ended up in SA and that cotton farming in general had minimal allocation
What is Cubbie Station's annual water allocation? 450 Gigs roughly? But that's ok because the other cotton farmers don't use that much??
So you've seen everything have you?
Yep
Have you ever seen a man eat his own head?
No
Well you haven't seen everything then have you.
tigerpie wrote:Relocate all cotton and rice especially to somewhere on the Ord river. If a manufacturers pollutants are hurting the environment they have to put measures in place to minimise the risk. Very expensive exercise for say a steel mill or mine. If they don't they get shut down.
Can someone tell me why these landholders aren't shut down for ruining the environment downstream? Why the federal minister, who presides over these landholders isn't held accountable?
I learnt to waterski on Menindie lakes as a 13 year old and couldn't believe how much water was in them....and in the middle of a desert.
Now a 13 year old could only learn how to parasail. It disgusts me.
End of rant!
You realize that 1850 GL ended up in SA and that cotton farming in general had minimal allocation
What is Cubbie Station's annual water allocation? 450 Gigs roughly? But that's ok because the other cotton farmers don't use that much??
What were they allocated in 2018? What did they use in 2018?
I'm not defending Cubbie Station's existence or the sheer corruption surrounding it's existence. I'm defending cotton farmers from uninformed rants about cotton farming and a total misunderstanding of where and how the Menindee allocation works. For instance, there was another mass fish kill today at Lake Hume and straight away cotton farming got the blame again (Sarah Hanson Young) - despite being east of Albury and nowhere near any cotton growing regions.
There's a drought in NSW, yet SA will receive a 100% water allocation in 2018-19. Why don't we question that?
Cotton farming is so water intensive is what I'm saying.
The darling is f**cked! Rivers don't run dry to the extent this river has from drought. Its being raped by greedy bastards that live for the now and monitored by the same characters.
tigerpie wrote:Cotton farming is so water intensive is what I'm saying.
The darling is f**cked! Rivers don't run dry to the extent this river has from drought. Its being raped by greedy bastards that live for the now and monitored by the same characters.
Except for that which is dryland cropped or on zero % allocation which is most of NSW.
The rivers would be dry in a drought if the flow wasn't managed. Menindee lakes suffer from high evaporation so flow is diverted into lower evaporation catchments.
tigerpie wrote:Cotton farming is so water intensive is what I'm saying.
The darling is f**cked! Rivers don't run dry to the extent this river has from drought. Its being raped by greedy bastards that live for the now and monitored by the same characters.
Except for that which is dryland cropped or on zero % allocation which is most of NSW.
The rivers would be dry in a drought if the flow wasn't managed. Menindee lakes suffer from high evaporation so flow is diverted into lower evaporation catchments.
So they like you to believe. The evaporation in the Cotton Farms enormous dams would be twice that of Menindee Lakes. Data has been manipulated for 6 or so years to try back up that claim.
tigerpie wrote:Cotton farming is so water intensive is what I'm saying.
The darling is f**cked! Rivers don't run dry to the extent this river has from drought. Its being raped by greedy bastards that live for the now and monitored by the same characters.
Except for that which is dryland cropped or on zero % allocation which is most of NSW.
The rivers would be dry in a drought if the flow wasn't managed. Menindee lakes suffer from high evaporation so flow is diverted into lower evaporation catchments.
25% approximately of all irrigation water usage in Australia is used growing cotton. I'd like to see what percentage cotton farmers make up of all irrigators. It's quite scary when u look at it that way.
So you've seen everything have you?
Yep
Have you ever seen a man eat his own head?
No
Well you haven't seen everything then have you.
tigerpie wrote:Cotton farming is so water intensive is what I'm saying.
The darling is f**cked! Rivers don't run dry to the extent this river has from drought. Its being raped by greedy bastards that live for the now and monitored by the same characters.
Except for that which is dryland cropped or on zero % allocation which is most of NSW.
The rivers would be dry in a drought if the flow wasn't managed. Menindee lakes suffer from high evaporation so flow is diverted into lower evaporation catchments.
So they like you to believe. The evaporation in the Cotton Farms enormous dams would be twice that of Menindee Lakes. Data has been manipulated for 6 or so years to try back up that claim.
Freshwater scientists have been manipulating data now? Okay.
Bum Crack wrote:25% approximately of all irrigation water usage in Australia is used growing cotton. I'd like to see what percentage cotton farmers make up of all irrigators. It's quite scary when u look at it that way.
What was the figure last year given the allocation reduction? Gwydir, Namoi and Macquarie valleys all on zero % allocation.
Australian cotton is the most efficient in the world - we've doubled our water use efficiency in the last two decades. Cotton returns nearly the most money to the economy on a per megalitre basis.
Cotton uses about 8Ml/ha and is about 3Ml/ha in places like Namoi. Corn uses 10Ml/ha. Wine Grapes use 6Ml/ha. Lucerne 6Ml/ha. Almonds and citrus use 8Ml/ha. Why not the outrage at these other crops?
Whilst I'm enraged like many people at the sights we've seen from the Darling in recent days I'll bow to Q's demonstrated superior knowledge on the subject and take his word for it.
It seems "cotton" isn't necessarily the issue but a combination of factors that stem from the drought and various bodies continuing to take their full allocation when it's clear (is it?) that the regulators should be preventing some from taking their full allocation in these times and perhaps should have been restricting use some time ago.
Bum Crack wrote:25% approximately of all irrigation water usage in Australia is used growing cotton. I'd like to see what percentage cotton farmers make up of all irrigators. It's quite scary when u look at it that way.
What was the figure last year given the allocation reduction? Gwydir, Namoi and Macquarie valleys all on zero % allocation.
Australian cotton is the most efficient in the world - we've doubled our water use efficiency in the last two decades. Cotton returns nearly the most money to the economy on a per megalitre basis.
Cotton uses about 8Ml/ha and is about 3Ml/ha in places like Namoi. Corn uses 10Ml/ha. Wine Grapes use 6Ml/ha. Lucerne 6Ml/ha. Almonds and citrus use 8Ml/ha. Why not the outrage at these other crops?
So of approximately say 600 cotton farmers who irrigate, they use 25% of the total irrigation usage in Australia. So, of approximately 40000 irrigators, 600 of them use a quarter of total irrigation usage per year. Wow. Says it all really.
So you've seen everything have you?
Yep
Have you ever seen a man eat his own head?
No
Well you haven't seen everything then have you.
Bum Crack wrote:25% approximately of all irrigation water usage in Australia is used growing cotton. I'd like to see what percentage cotton farmers make up of all irrigators. It's quite scary when u look at it that way.
What was the figure last year given the allocation reduction? Gwydir, Namoi and Macquarie valleys all on zero % allocation.
Australian cotton is the most efficient in the world - we've doubled our water use efficiency in the last two decades. Cotton returns nearly the most money to the economy on a per megalitre basis.
Cotton uses about 8Ml/ha and is about 3Ml/ha in places like Namoi. Corn uses 10Ml/ha. Wine Grapes use 6Ml/ha. Lucerne 6Ml/ha. Almonds and citrus use 8Ml/ha. Why not the outrage at these other crops?
So of approximately say 600 cotton farmers who irrigate, they use 25% of the total irrigation usage in Australia. So, of approximately 40000 irrigators, 600 of them use a quarter of total irrigation usage per year. Wow. Says it all really.
Where are you getting this 25% figure from. As I stated, Gwydir, Namoi and Macquarie valleys all on zero % allocation.
Booney wrote:Whilst I'm enraged like many people at the sights we've seen from the Darling in recent days I'll bow to Q's demonstrated superior knowledge on the subject and take his word for it.
It seems "cotton" isn't necessarily the issue but a combination of factors that stem from the drought and various bodies continuing to take their full allocation when it's clear (is it?) that the regulators should be preventing some from taking their full allocation in these times and perhaps should have been restricting use some time ago.
Why would you bow? His knowledge actually is not that great on the matter. Having said that, I have no doubt he's a brainy bastard but that doesn't make him an expert on the matter.
So you've seen everything have you?
Yep
Have you ever seen a man eat his own head?
No
Well you haven't seen everything then have you.
Bum Crack wrote:25% approximately of all irrigation water usage in Australia is used growing cotton. I'd like to see what percentage cotton farmers make up of all irrigators. It's quite scary when u look at it that way.
What was the figure last year given the allocation reduction? Gwydir, Namoi and Macquarie valleys all on zero % allocation.
Australian cotton is the most efficient in the world - we've doubled our water use efficiency in the last two decades. Cotton returns nearly the most money to the economy on a per megalitre basis.
Cotton uses about 8Ml/ha and is about 3Ml/ha in places like Namoi. Corn uses 10Ml/ha. Wine Grapes use 6Ml/ha. Lucerne 6Ml/ha. Almonds and citrus use 8Ml/ha. Why not the outrage at these other crops?
So of approximately say 600 cotton farmers who irrigate, they use 25% of the total irrigation usage in Australia. So, of approximately 40000 irrigators, 600 of them use a quarter of total irrigation usage per year. Wow. Says it all really.
Where are you getting this 25% figure from. As I stated, Gwydir, Namoi and Macquarie valleys all on zero % allocation.
There are around 1100 cotton growers in total approximately. You need to study up a bit more.
So you've seen everything have you?
Yep
Have you ever seen a man eat his own head?
No
Well you haven't seen everything then have you.
Booney wrote:Whilst I'm enraged like many people at the sights we've seen from the Darling in recent days I'll bow to Q's demonstrated superior knowledge on the subject and take his word for it.
It seems "cotton" isn't necessarily the issue but a combination of factors that stem from the drought and various bodies continuing to take their full allocation when it's clear (is it?) that the regulators should be preventing some from taking their full allocation in these times and perhaps should have been restricting use some time ago.
Why would you bow? His knowledge actually is not that great on the matter. Having said that, I have no doubt he's a brainy bastard but that doesn't make him an expert on the matter.
I know what he does for a living, it's very much aligned with this discussion.
If he was asked to discuss something about what I do in detail I'd suggest he'd be the same.
Booney wrote:Whilst I'm enraged like many people at the sights we've seen from the Darling in recent days I'll bow to Q's demonstrated superior knowledge on the subject and take his word for it.
It seems "cotton" isn't necessarily the issue but a combination of factors that stem from the drought and various bodies continuing to take their full allocation when it's clear (is it?) that the regulators should be preventing some from taking their full allocation in these times and perhaps should have been restricting use some time ago.
Why would you bow? His knowledge actually is not that great on the matter. Having said that, I have no doubt he's a brainy bastard but that doesn't make him an expert on the matter.
I know what he does for a living, it's very much aligned with this discussion.
If he was asked to discuss something about what I do in detail I'd suggest he'd be the same.
I know what he does too but he ain't no expert on what is happening up there.
So you've seen everything have you?
Yep
Have you ever seen a man eat his own head?
No
Well you haven't seen everything then have you.
tigerpie wrote:Cotton farming is so water intensive is what I'm saying.
The darling is f**cked! Rivers don't run dry to the extent this river has from drought. Its being raped by greedy bastards that live for the now and monitored by the same characters.
Except for that which is dryland cropped or on zero % allocation which is most of NSW.
The rivers would be dry in a drought if the flow wasn't managed. Menindee lakes suffer from high evaporation so flow is diverted into lower evaporation catchments.
So they like you to believe. The evaporation in the Cotton Farms enormous dams would be twice that of Menindee Lakes. Data has been manipulated for 6 or so years to try back up that claim.
Freshwater scientists have been manipulating data now? Okay.
Yes. Who supports these scientist? The Government. Constantly been reducing the lakes by .5 or 1% daily for years and claiming evaporation. I’ve been following the water issue most of my life as I was once a local,I’ve seen first hand, pumping flat out from the river into their crops, all why claiming no pumping was happening and then MDBA and Government claiming these decreases in storage on Evaporation. The corruption is rife and some big name politicians should be in the firing Line who have a lot to answer for.
Booney wrote:Whilst I'm enraged like many people at the sights we've seen from the Darling in recent days I'll bow to Q's demonstrated superior knowledge on the subject and take his word for it.
It seems "cotton" isn't necessarily the issue but a combination of factors that stem from the drought and various bodies continuing to take their full allocation when it's clear (is it?) that the regulators should be preventing some from taking their full allocation in these times and perhaps should have been restricting use some time ago.
Why would you bow? His knowledge actually is not that great on the matter. Having said that, I have no doubt he's a brainy bastard but that doesn't make him an expert on the matter.
I know what he does for a living, it's very much aligned with this discussion.
If he was asked to discuss something about what I do in detail I'd suggest he'd be the same.
I know what he does too but he ain't no expert on what is happening up there.
