The Ashes 2017/2018

[whufc]

Soft dismissals is what stops Marsh from taking the next step up from being just a handy cricketer

[RustyCage]

Need runs from Paine here. The days of a keeper not being able to bat are long gone and situations like this are exactly why

[DOC]

Paine went 74 tests between his fourth and fifth test.

I wonder what some of the biggest gaps are?

[mighty_tiger_79]

Poms changing the fields far too often...

[Bob Loblaw]

Paine went 74 tests between his fourth and fifth test.

I wonder what some of the biggest gaps are?

John Traicos holds the records at 22 years. Would take some beating!
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/records/283438.html

[DOC]

Thanks. The time break would not have him on that list . So much more cricket and no six year wars (thank God).

[Brodlach]

Cracker of a ball by Anderson

[Jim05]

Cracker of a ball by Anderson

Shocking shot.
Dropped a catch keeping and not up to it with the bat. Staggering decision to pick him

[Brodlach]

Hits s six off a nothing shot then Starc out caught and bowled

[whufc]

Cracker of a ball by Anderson

Shocking shot.
Dropped a catch keeping and not up to it with the bat. Staggering decision to pick him

Agree

I'm happy to defend selectors on the Bancroft and SMarsh selections but the Paine selection had no sound reasoning no matter what way you looked at it.

[am Bays]

Cracker of a ball by Anderson

Shocking shot.
Dropped a catch keeping and not up to it with the bat. Staggering decision to pick him

Agree

I'm happy to defend selectors on the Bancroft and SMarsh selections but the Paine selection had no sound reasoning no matter what way you looked at it.

Disagree was a jaffa, did well to hit it.

[Brodlach]

Was a peach of a delivery

[Grenville]

Cracker of a ball by Anderson

Shocking shot.
Dropped a catch keeping and not up to it with the bat. Staggering decision to pick

Yep. Note to Mark Waugh - if you want to gamble on longshots stick to doing it on the horses. Stop fu***ng with the Test team.

[whufc]

Cracker of a ball by Anderson

Shocking shot.
Dropped a catch keeping and not up to it with the bat. Staggering decision to pick him

Agree

I'm happy to defend selectors on the Bancroft and SMarsh selections but the Paine selection had no sound reasoning no matter what way you looked at it.

Disagree was a jaffa, did well to hit it.

Agree it was a peach!!! But so far he has produced a drop catch, 13 runs, his coach has hit a more recent hundred than him and he can't get the gloves for his state team behind arguably the worse state keeper in the country

Not a good combo

Selectors need to be able to justify selection and this one has me baffled as to how they can

An innings with bat and ball in my view is:

Bancroft- good selection didn't work in the first innings though
Marsh- good selection for our current line up, looks the good so far
Cummins/Lyon over Sayer 4 pacemen- great decision and both bowled brilliantly on this deck, not sure Sayers would have got much out of it
Paine- terrible selection, his failed so far both with bat and gloves

Obviously subject to change

[am Bays]

He didn't get the gloves for his state team only because the then current Australian keeper had moved to Tassie

They couldn't not select Wade to keep after he moved there

When Tassie last year stopped trying to develop a 'keeper (Doran and Dunk) they went with there best 'keeper Paine for the last half of the year.

Wade moved from Tassie to get away from Paine as Paine was acknowledged as the better gloveman.

Like it has been said based on 1 innings 'keeping and batting I'm not going to say the selectors have got it wrong.

Oh and Paine has scored 2 test 50s since Lehman last made one...

[whufc]

He didn't get the gloves for his state team only because the then current Australian keeper had moved to Tassie

They couldn't not select Wade to keep after he moved there

When Tassie last year stopped trying to develop a 'keeper (Doran and Dunk) they went with there best 'keeper Paine for the last half of the year.

Wade moved from Tassie to get away from Paine as Paine was acknowledged as the better gloveman.

Like it has been said based on 1 innings 'keeping and batting I'm not going to say the selectors have got it wrong.

Oh and Paine has scored 2 test 50s since Lehman last made one...

I don't mind Paine as a bat, but his record just doesn't stand up, with 158 first class innings at 28 it's fair to suggest his batting will never be to test level, it's a fair sample size.

Happy to acknowledge this is obviously only after one innings

So far (one innings albeit) this has probably been the classic endorsement of the 'batting keeper'

Paine realistically had one 'impact' (ability to differentiate him from a batting keeper) as a keeper to make and dropped his chance!! You would expect even the worse of batting keepers could have had the same impact Paine did with the gloves in the first

I guess this is why the argument goes around and around.

I actually really like Paine, his one of the few likeable blokes in the side at the moment. I really hope he does well but his selection is mind boggling

[mighty_tiger_79]

Paine.
Seriously.
The selectors have just taken a leaf out of the Powers recruiting programme and giving everyone a go...

[Spargo]

Soft dismissals is what stops Marsh from taking the next step up from being just a handy cricketer

Lucky he’s got time on his side to make that next step

Cummins currently playing a very smart, patient innings.

[Jim05]

Raise your bat son, great knock.
Good support from Cummins

[locky801]

Aust put their nose in front 9/304

Smith 126*