The never ending No AFL in the SANFL whinge thread

[VALE PARK]

IMHO Port will address that issue and win the flag easily,
maybe they may go through the season undefeated.
That may put the cat amongst the pigeons,

[Dutchy]

I get what you are trying to say. Seems strange that Port or the Crows have not won every GF or even how have they lost a game in the last three years or however long they've been in...

That's my issue around integrity, the performance of the AFL cancers swing from week to week solely based on their injury lists, Port had a great run last year and waltzed into the GF as the Crows did the year before (before folding when the AFL team were out). We have also seen the Crows cop some hidings when they have a large injury list and rely on country footballers who get gifted SANFL League games (another issue altogether). I suspect we will see Port cop some similar floggings if they have a bad run with injury with a lot of their depth players from 2017 moving on.

So we now have a competition which is heavily influenced by something completely outside of its control.

[cennals05]

How long before we see Port & Crows reserves curtain raisers...

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/m ... e769bc5638

[Dutchy]

Its the next logical step in the dumbing down of the once great comp.

[Reddeer]

I bet this move is the precursor for curtain raisers with the clubs reserves sides. Then we can piss of the Power and Crows thank god

[mighty_tiger_79]

How long before we see Port & Crows reserves curtain raisers...

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/m ... e769bc5638

Ive believed all along this should be the case

[heater31]

How long before we see Port & Crows reserves curtain raisers...

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/m ... e769bc5638

Ive believed all along this should be the case

Maybe the SANFL can get Foxtel to cover those games leaving Channel 7 to free up some air time for the real clubs?

[tipper]

Absolutely irrelevent, and it doesn't seem strange at all, underdogs with everything stacked against them quite often win all over the world. At the end of the day some people/organisations with massive advantages can still lose because they cant buy heart or success. But those teams/people with unfair advantages usually succeed or do better than they should or deserve to.
But as I said, thats irrelevent, its all about integrity, it wouldn't make any difference if the Crows and Power lost by 100 points each week or win by 100 points each week. It makes no difference if they win every flag or never win a flag. No difference.

i dont know how many times this needs to be said, but the afl fanbois never seem to get it. well said Wedgie and completely spot on

[therisingblues]

Absolutely irrelevent, and it doesn't seem strange at all, underdogs with everything stacked against them quite often win all over the world. At the end of the day some people/organisations with massive advantages can still lose because they cant buy heart or success. But those teams/people with unfair advantages usually succeed or do better than they should or deserve to.
But as I said, thats irrelevent, its all about integrity, it wouldn't make any difference if the Crows and Power lost by 100 points each week or win by 100 points each week. It makes no difference if they win every flag or never win a flag. No difference.

i dont know how many times this needs to be said, but the afl fanbois never seem to get it. well said Wedgie and completely spot on

It won't be the last time they bring it up either. No matter if you explain it calmly, angrily, succinctly, lengthily, patronisingly, respectfully, simply or intricately, there will be another one that will pop up its head and trivialise the whole argument because "they haven't won a flag yet".
....some men you just can't reach.

[Booney]

Absolutely irrelevent, and it doesn't seem strange at all, underdogs with everything stacked against them quite often win all over the world. At the end of the day some people/organisations with massive advantages can still lose because they cant buy heart or success. But those teams/people with unfair advantages usually succeed or do better than they should or deserve to.
But as I said, thats irrelevent, its all about integrity, it wouldn't make any difference if the Crows and Power lost by 100 points each week or win by 100 points each week. It makes no difference if they win every flag or never win a flag. No difference.

i dont know how many times this needs to be said, but the afl fanbois never seem to get it. well said Wedgie and completely spot on

It won't be the last time they bring it up either. No matter if you explain it calmly, angrily, succinctly, lengthily, patronisingly, respectfully, simply or intricately, there will be another one that will pop up its head and trivialise the whole argument because "they haven't won a flag yet".
....some men you just can't reach.

So, you get what we had here last week.

[Magellan]

Absolutely irrelevent, and it doesn't seem strange at all, underdogs with everything stacked against them quite often win all over the world. At the end of the day some people/organisations with massive advantages can still lose because they cant buy heart or success. But those teams/people with unfair advantages usually succeed or do better than they should or deserve to.
But as I said, thats irrelevent, its all about integrity, it wouldn't make any difference if the Crows and Power lost by 100 points each week or win by 100 points each week. It makes no difference if they win every flag or never win a flag. No difference.

i dont know how many times this needs to be said, but the afl fanbois never seem to get it. well said Wedgie and completely spot on

It won't be the last time they bring it up either. No matter if you explain it calmly, angrily, succinctly, lengthily, patronisingly, respectfully, simply or intricately, there will be another one that will pop up its head and trivialise the whole argument because "they haven't won a flag yet".
....some men you just can't reach.

Definitely. What we got here is a failure to communicate.

[therisingblues]

Which is the way he wants it...

[MW]

I think you are giving him too much credit

[Magellan]

Which is the way he wants it...

Well, this thread certainly has undertones of a civil war.

I think it shows that even in the footy world, you can't trust freedom when it's not in your hands - when everybody's fighting for the promised land.

[therisingblues]

Which is the way he wants it...

Well, this thread certainly has undertones of a civil war.

I think it shows that even in the footy world, you can't trust freedom when it's not in your hands - when everybody's fighting for the promised land.

Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Knock, knock knockin' on .... oops, I ****** it up didn't I?

[Magellan]

Which is the way he wants it...

Well, this thread certainly has undertones of a civil war.

I think it shows that even in the footy world, you can't trust freedom when it's not in your hands - when everybody's fighting for the promised land.

Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Knock, knock knockin' on .... oops, I ****** it up didn't I?

Enough with your Double Talkin' Jive.

[therisingblues]

Which is the way he wants it...

Well, this thread certainly has undertones of a civil war.

I think it shows that even in the footy world, you can't trust freedom when it's not in your hands - when everybody's fighting for the promised land.

Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Knock, knock knockin' on .... oops, I ****** it up didn't I?

Enough with your Double Talkin' Jive.

Sorry, not feeling right. I feel like I have left my head and arm somewhere.

[Booney]

Who has an Adelaide Now log in?

Article mentions a letter Roy Laird has written to the club about his fears on the future of the SANFL.

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CENTRAL District coach Roy Laird’s fears for the future of the state league have been revealed in a passionate letter to the club’s board.

The highly respected seven-times premiership coach used the letter to lament the declining reputation of the league as well as the lack of urgency among the decision makers.

Laird is also concerned the rich history of the competition is being lost amid the huge success of the AFL.


Central coach Roy Laird at the quarter time break.
Such was the impact of the letter on the Bulldogs’ board, it was forwarded to the SANFL commission as well as all the club directors and chief executives.

“The lack of urgency with the current plight of the SANFL is eating at me!” Laird wrote. “This treasured and history filled competition that has given me and many others decades of

memories now sits perilously close to a point of no return.

“Clubs which once were the pinnacle of sporting prowess and community pride now solemnly reflect on what once was and stare blankly into a future of dwindling supporter groups and financial stress which if not arrested right now, inevitably could lead to the demise of one of our great ‘Football Clubs’.”

Laird admits there will be those who shrug off his thoughts as scaremongering and the coach being “way over the top”, but he noted the comments of Hawthorn president Jeff Kennett on the demise of traditional Tasmanian state league clubs in Burnie and Devonport.

Kennett said he was worried about the declining health of football in Tasmania and he laid that at the feet of the previous administrators and AFL quite firmly.

“I am an admirer of sport at its elite levels,” Laird said. “The corporate juggernaut and the success of AFL is the envy of all sporting codes in this country.

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“Australian Rules Football would become an even more powerful force if second tier competitions felt they were a valued stakeholder in the game.

“At this critical junction in our SANFL landscape, those in positions of power must set agendas to one side and be uncompromised in their decision making. Our clubs must think outside the square in promoting and building new revenue streams, and our supporters must do as they always have, and follow their club in our ‘Tribal Wars’ and protect our glorious history and revitalise a great competition.”

LAIRD’S LETTER
The lack of urgency with the current plight of the SANFL is eating at me!

This treasured and history filled competition that has given me and many others decades of

memories now sits perilously close to a point of no return.

Clubs which once were the pinnacle of sporting prowess and community pride now solemnly reflect on what once was and stare blankly into a future of dwindling supporter groups and financial stress which if not arrested right now, inevitably could lead to the demise of one of our great ‘Football Clubs’.


Central coach Roy Laird has last minute instructions for his players.
‘Scaremongering, and way over the top Laird’, some will idly shrug off. Recently I took particular note of Jeff Kennett’s observations following the removal of 2 traditional Clubs in Burnie and Devonport from the Tasmanian State League. ‘I am worrying about the declining health of football in Tasmania and I lay that at the feet of previous administrators and AFL quite firmly’, he said. Sound Familiar?

Our Clubs’ foyers and hallways are littered with the photos and memorabilia of heroes of yesteryear.

The 1976 shots of Sturt’s Rick Davies sparked premiership over Port, the 1973 team photo with iconic Glenelg men in Kerley, Carey and Cornes, nostalgic 1978 images of the Wynne / Oatey clash and Norwood success and the achievements of the Mick Nunan led Roosters through the 80s and 90s.

I fear a fading appreciation for their and all our past heroes based on the decreasing level of interest and reduction in foot traffic through the doors of our traditional Clubs. What a sad day it would be should our ‘walk down memory lane’ be limited to a visit to the Adelaide Oval and SANFL Museum instead of an appreciation by supporters within our own Clubs.

I am an admirer of sport at its elite levels. The corporate juggernaut and the success of AFL is the envy of all sporting codes in this country. Australian Rules Football would become an even more powerful force if second tier competitions felt they were a valued stakeholder in the game and as a result also rallied behind the AFL competition. That is certainly not the thoughts of many within State Leagues as the strong grow stronger and others are left to fend for themselves, division and AFL sentiment will continue to grow.


Central coach Roy Laird at the quarter time break. Picture: TRICIA WATKINSON
Over the past decade, I have had a front row seat to the challenges, disappointments and mental illness of those who have been spat out of the AFL system or missed out on their dream of an AFL opportunity. This highlights the need for a strong 2nd tier competition for these people to feel relevant in their most exciting sporting years of their lives.

Due to the increasing differential in Salary Caps and falling crowd numbers, the mass exodus of players towards lower levels of football will continue increasing the rate of our overall demise.

At this critical junction in our SANFL landscape, those in positions of power must set agendas to one side and be uncompromised in their decision making. Our Clubs must think outside the square in promoting and building new revenue streams, and our supporters must do as they always have, and follow their Club in our ‘Tribal Wars’ and protect our glorious history and revitalise a great competition - ‘WE ARE PROUDLY SANFL’ – lets hope we continue to be!

[Magellan]

Guru Roy has said it again.

I thought this was the most interesting point in the letter:

Over the past decade, I have had a front row seat to the challenges, disappointments and mental illness of those who have been spat out of the AFL system or missed out on their dream of an AFL opportunity.

He's right - the AFL promises a lot to aspiring kids, and there are plenty who are mercilessly ejected from its ranks once they're considered expendable or surplus to requirements. That's the consequence of professionalism, which is great for those who make a career, but not much for the rest and only serves to disillusion those who don't make it. Doesn't mean they're no good, just not good enough or unlucky to not catch a break to play at their best consistently at the highest level. Pity they don't have somewhere where they can still play a high standard and considered worthwhile, rather than as AFL 'rejects' who ultimately wind up in the main not contributing their skills and knowledge to the footy world and languishing in lesser footy environments (said with the greatest of respect to them). The more the SANFL can position itself for those on the way down, not only those on the way up as it currently does, the better.