Open Mike

[Dogwatcher]

It was a good ep. I watched it at work yesterday, for work.
There wasn't too much in there I haven't hear before, but I could listen to tales of that Hawthorn era forever. I loved Dermie as a kid, so to hear the Dean Chiron story again is gold. Who wouldn't have wanted Dermie in your side?
The concussion conversation was interesting - Rat talked about how he has questions and concerns, not that it's impacting his life dramatically.
Those comments make sense to me in relation to his and his family's response at the time the story came out. He's not in the Greg Williams category, which is how the headlines at the time made it appear. Slightly different context.

I still love the Rat. He was my hero as a kid for a reason and he still is. Always friendly and approachable. Modest. Funny.
In my last season of footy, I played in the same side as his son and he came to watch a couple of games. Even at 36, that made me nervous. lol

[JK]

Was great to hear how often he referenced Central and how desperately he wanted to win that first flag for them .. He was a bonafide AFL/VFL legend in his own right, so could have been forgiven for being all about the Hawks, but that clearly isn't the case. Mike would have hated that lol - He gives zero credence to the leagues outside of Melbourne.

[bennymacca]

He coached Freeling for a couple of years when i was playing. Even though I was only a B grade hack you still felt he had time for you.

Wasnt a great coach to be honest - wanted you to do everything at half pace and get the skills right which is almost the complete opposite of how most coaches tell you to do it. Seemed to be one of those blokes that wasnt quite sure why he was so good and didnt quite know how to communicate his talents.

The bit about not remembering names etc is interesting - everyone was "big fella" haha. Maybe thats part of it.

[Magellan]

Seemed to be one of those blokes that wasnt quite sure why he was so good and didnt quite know how to communicate his talents.

I think this is a common trait among those who are supremely talented (sport or otherwise). I think it explains to a degree in a footy context why the greatest players don't often make the greatest coaches.

Sounds like a great episode, I'm keen to check it out. Platten was one of the greats from the goldmine of champions SA produced in the early to mid 1980s.

[Dogwatcher]

He coached Freeling for a couple of years when i was playing. Even though I was only a B grade hack you still felt he had time for you.

Wasnt a great coach to be honest - wanted you to do everything at half pace and get the skills right which is almost the complete opposite of how most coaches tell you to do it. Seemed to be one of those blokes that wasnt quite sure why he was so good and didnt quite know how to communicate his talents.

The bit about not remembering names etc is interesting - everyone was "big fella" haha. Maybe thats part of it.

I have heard he wasn't a solid coach.
His success was built on hard work, so it's unusual he didn't know how to communicate that. I think that's down to his modesty.
Again, the 'half pace' thing is unusual too, as you watch him play and he never did anything half paced, he was a bundle of energy.

[Rik E Boy]

He coached Freeling for a couple of years when i was playing. Even though I was only a B grade hack you still felt he had time for you.

Wasnt a great coach to be honest - wanted you to do everything at half pace and get the skills right which is almost the complete opposite of how most coaches tell you to do it. Seemed to be one of those blokes that wasnt quite sure why he was so good and didnt quite know how to communicate his talents.

The bit about not remembering names etc is interesting - everyone was "big fella" haha. Maybe thats part of it.

I have heard he wasn't a solid coach.
His success was built on hard work, so it's unusual he didn't know how to communicate that. I think that's down to his modesty.
Again, the 'half pace' thing is unusual too, as you watch him play and he never did anything half paced, he was a bundle of energy.

A lot of champions don't make great coaches. Some struggle impart what came naturally to those that are less gifted. From Tim Watson, James Hird, Michael Voss to cricket's Greg Chappell. Maybe bucks too. Buckley had that insane desire to improve and was very focused so he might have struggled with the 'bad boy' element that wanted to play footy at the highest level and have a bit of fun too.

regards,

REB

[tigerpie]

Excellent episode.

He was an absolute gun. You can throw a blanket over the top 5 SA footballers from 84-94 and then another blanket over the next 12-13. That SA side was one of the best football teams I have ever seen and the way they played together spiratically was unreal. Any representative team that smashes Victoria and WA away is a phenomenal team

I agree. We were blessed with great players and a great coach in that era of soo games.
Platts saved his best for the big games. Out and out star.

[Wedgie]

Barrie Robran is the greatest example of someone who was a champion but struggled as a coach.

Ken Farmer on the other hand was brilliant.

[mighty hounds]

He coached Freeling for a couple of years when i was playing. Even though I was only a B grade hack you still felt he had time for you.

Wasnt a great coach to be honest - wanted you to do everything at half pace and get the skills right which is almost the complete opposite of how most coaches tell you to do it. Seemed to be one of those blokes that wasnt quite sure why he was so good and didnt quite know how to communicate his talents.

The bit about not remembering names etc is interesting - everyone was "big fella" haha. Maybe thats part of it.

I have heard he wasn't a solid coach.
His success was built on hard work, so it's unusual he didn't know how to communicate that. I think that's down to his modesty.
Again, the 'half pace' thing is unusual too, as you watch him play and he never did anything half paced, he was a bundle of energy.

I've heard this as well from someone who played under him at Freeling

[Magellan]

Barrie Robran is the greatest example of someone who was a champion but struggled as a coach.

Ken Farmer on the other hand was brilliant.

Correct, although I'm not sure how much of Robran's coaching performance was based on a lack of playing personnel at the time? How do those who played under him rate him as a coach?

[bennymacca]

I've heard this as well from someone who played under him at Freeling

Was still great for the club though. A lot more people used to come to the games, especially at the start. And one of the nicest blokes you will meet

[Lightning McQueen]

Barrie Robran is the greatest example of someone who was a champion but struggled as a coach.

Ken Farmer on the other hand was brilliant.

Correct, although I'm not sure how much of Robran's coaching performance was based on a lack of playing personnel at the time? How do those who played under him rate him as a coach?

Probably with score cards.

[bennymacca]

Looks like LM is in a punny mood today haha

[Magellan]

Barrie Robran is the greatest example of someone who was a champion but struggled as a coach.

Ken Farmer on the other hand was brilliant.

Correct, although I'm not sure how much of Robran's coaching performance was based on a lack of playing personnel at the time? How do those who played under him rate him as a coach?

Probably with score cards.

I was going to ask 'how does Robran measure himself against other coaches?', but the answer is obviously 'his height.'

[bennymacca]

Barrie Robran is the greatest example of someone who was a champion but struggled as a coach.

Ken Farmer on the other hand was brilliant.

Correct, although I'm not sure how much of Robran's coaching performance was based on a lack of playing personnel at the time? How do those who played under him rate him as a coach?

Probably with score cards.

I was going to ask 'how does Robran measure himself against other coaches?', but the answer is obviously 'his height.'

There are other "measures" of a man

[MatteeG]

A lot of champions don't make great coaches. Some struggle impart what came naturally to those that are less gifted. From Tim Watson, James Hird, Michael Voss to cricket's Greg Chappell. Maybe bucks too. Buckley had that insane desire to improve and was very focused so he might have struggled with the 'bad boy' element that wanted to play footy at the highest level and have a bit of fun too.

regards,

REB

Why I think Bucks would be a superb assistant coach- I feel he works well with elites but struggles with the development side. Give him a half decent midfield to run and I reckon you'd benefit no end.

[Lightning McQueen]

Looks like LM is in a punny mood today haha

I got owned on another thread by @Spargo

[Booney]

Barrie Robran is the greatest example of someone who was a champion but struggled as a coach.

Ken Farmer on the other hand was brilliant.

SA's two greats, Robran and Ebert both struggled in charge.

[Rik E Boy]

Barrie Robran is the greatest example of someone who was a champion but struggled as a coach.

Ken Farmer on the other hand was brilliant.

SA's two greats, Robran and Ebert both struggled in charge.

Russell nearly got a flag. Maybe if you didn't try to run around knocking out Aishy all day you might have won that one. Sucked in a bit that day.

regards,

REB

[Booney]

Barrie Robran is the greatest example of someone who was a champion but struggled as a coach.

Ken Farmer on the other hand was brilliant.

SA's two greats, Robran and Ebert both struggled in charge.

Russell nearly got a flag. Maybe if you didn't try to run around knocking out Aishy all day you might have won that one. Sucked in a bit that day.

regards,

REB

Now, come on, who wouldn't?