C31 Total SANFL - finished

[Wedgie]

I hope this doesn't offend Chris but was a higher profile presenter like a Wildy or an Ebert approached if it may have been easier to get money or sponorship with 'a name'?

[Hondo]

Chris, have you thought about talking to Foxtel about doing an SANFL show? If they could get enough of an Adelaide audience it would fund itself without needing to get it out of the clubs or the SANFL. Foxtel seems to end up as the station showing the sport that the free-to-air networks let go. It looks like you have enough (well - deserved) support to be the lead presenter and/or advisor. May be a long shot for 2007 as I am not sure about what arrangements the SANFL has with the ABC, but maybe for 2008? Not that I want the SANFL on pay TV necessarially but I can't see many other options left.

It's not often you see someone give so much of themselves to support a cause like this, so thank you for your efforts and commitment over the last few years.

[CK]

I hope this doesn't offend Chris but was a higher profile presenter like a Wildy or an Ebert approached if it may have been easier to get money or sponorship with 'a name'?

Without getting into the specifics of it; no, it wouldn't make any difference to the SANFL or clubs, from what I have been told.
If a sponsor stated they would have nothing to do with the show if I was involved, but would if it was someone else, then to ensure the show kept going, I suppose I would have no choice but to remove myself from it.


Thanks for the thoughts, hondo71; that may be something I will look at as an option certainly.

[MAY-Z]

I hope this doesn't offend Chris but was a higher profile presenter like a Wildy or an Ebert approached if it may have been easier to get money or sponorship with 'a name'?

Without getting into the specifics of it; no, it wouldn't make any difference to the SANFL or clubs, from what I have been told.
If a sponsor stated they would have nothing to do with the show if I was involved, but would if it was someone else, then to ensure the show kept going, I suppose I would have no choice but to remove myself from it.


Thanks for the thoughts, hondo71; that may be something I will look at as an option certainly.

i think the best thing to do would be produce something similar but put it on youtube- that way a lot more people would be able to see and a lot more people browse that looking for something to wtach as opposed to C31. as mentioned on here and elsewhere quite a few people were interested in the show but couldnt get C31- we all have access to the internet

[Aerie]

I hope this doesn't offend Chris but was a higher profile presenter like a Wildy or an Ebert approached if it may have been easier to get money or sponorship with 'a name'?

Without getting into the specifics of it; no, it wouldn't make any difference to the SANFL or clubs, from what I have been told.
If a sponsor stated they would have nothing to do with the show if I was involved, but would if it was someone else, then to ensure the show kept going, I suppose I would have no choice but to remove myself from it.


Thanks for the thoughts, hondo71; that may be something I will look at as an option certainly.

i think the best thing to do would be produce something similar but put it on youtube- that way a lot more people would be able to see and a lot more people browse that looking for something to wtach as opposed to C31. as mentioned on here and elsewhere quite a few people were interested in the show but couldnt get C31- we all have access to the internet

Very good idea May-Z. I'd watch if on You Tube because it's easy. I never bothered trying to organise channel 31 to work on my tv. I think the audience would be much greater if it was broadcast on You Tube. You could bet that if a link was put on this website, footysa, 5rph and the clubs and SANFL website each week you'd get heaps of people watching it. Perhaps if it became really popular then in the future foxtel or a commercial station might take it up?

[Ecky]

i think the best thing to do would be produce something similar but put it on youtube- that way a lot more people would be able to see and a lot more people browse that looking for something to wtach as opposed to C31. as mentioned on here and elsewhere quite a few people were interested in the show but couldnt get C31- we all have access to the internet

Good suggestion, May-Z. I wonder where you got that idea from?

It would probably get a greater audience if CK just made up a home video each week and put it on youtube...

[MAY-Z]

i think the best thing to do would be produce something similar but put it on youtube- that way a lot more people would be able to see and a lot more people browse that looking for something to wtach as opposed to C31. as mentioned on here and elsewhere quite a few people were interested in the show but couldnt get C31- we all have access to the internet

Good suggestion, May-Z. I wonder where you got that idea from?

It would probably get a greater audience if CK just made up a home video each week and put it on youtube...

well there is no point in having an idea if you dont tell anyone about it

[Squawk]

A long shot maybe but the AFL is forever talking about funding and development of grass roots footy. No doubt they wouldn't find it hard to source a measley $35k either.

Agree totally with the idea for club banners to call for the reinstatement of the show but I suspect the clubs would be loathe to endorse something that called into question their own decision.

I find it fascinating that so many SANFL decisions seem to be unanimous lately - who could forget the unanimous abolition of the mini league? And wasn't there an about face done there? Amazing that a $50k donation from the state govt (on top of their squillions for another electronic scoreboard) made such a difference. Every time someone buys an $8 hotdog at an AFL game, or a $6 bucket of chips, ask yourself - where are the profits REALLY going from exhorbitant catering prices?

Maybe the SACA should set up a rebel local league...........

[Plunge Penguin]

Good to see that the Tiser even jumped on the case today. About time another form of mainstream media got behind this one. It's a complete disgrace what has happened with this - is there a corporate sponsor out there somewhere that can help save this?????????

[Squawk]

Good to see that the Tiser even jumped on the case today. About time another form of mainstream media got behind this one. It's a complete disgrace what has happened with this - is there a corporate sponsor out there somewhere that can help save this?????????

Yes but just to rub salt into thw wounds, the opposite page featured an ad from the Amateur League seeking media observes for Grassroots Footy on C31. Incredible that 70 amateur clubs see the benefits but 9 sanfl clubs and the league itself do not. Heavens above - the amount of money is chicken feed - especially when the state govt has just tipped in millions for a new scoreboard etc which would have really lightened the financial pressures on the league, and the AFL has just scored the biggest TV rights deal in gistory and the league owns the AFL licences.

[Wedgie]

Whilst being a big supporter of Chris and the shows which I loved, can we be too harsh on the SANFL or the clubs if the report in the paper was right in that the clubs/SANFL just wanted details of exactly how many people they'd get coverage with for their bucks which C31 couldn't give?
I know if I was going to fork out 35k for something I'd want to know exactly what I was getting for my money.
Chris, is that true, could you not give them accurate details?

[Squawk]

Whilst being a big supporter of Chris and the shows which I loved, can we be too harsh on the SANFL or the clubs if the report in the paper was right in that the clubs/SANFL just wanted details of exactly how many people they'd get coverage with for their bucks which C31 couldn't give?
I know if I was going to fork out 35k for something I'd want to know exactly what I was getting for my money.
Chris, is that true, could you not give them accurate details?

I would imagine that a 'survey' would probably have been an expensive exercise to undertake, especially to target it at just one show. Maybe CK can clarify this. I'm pretty sure the Channel would have to have obtained general ratings figures though esp since someone on this site mentioned the channel rated higher than foxtel does.

Many clubs would probably spend $3,000 just mailing out raffle tickets to their own supporters. It's chicken feed especially when you recall the "Living in the 70s" SANFL ad last season - what that would have cost plus airtime would be interesting and all for one round - no doubt more than the $5k the Advertiser said the League was asked to contribute. I loved the ad for the Living in the 70s round but still, I would rather see 22 weeks plus finals etc of shows than one ad for two weeks.

[Wedgie]

Might come down to the fact as to what the SANFL wanted more that cost similar.
The Mini League or Total SANFL.
I'd prefer Total SANFL with the clubs organising their own mini league but unfortunately a lot of clowns got on the Bones McDermott bandwagon and stuffed that up.
Considering 2 or 3 clubs have been close to falling over recently the SANFL has to be prudent with the money it spends and at the very least would require details of exactly what they get for their money when talking about figures over 30k. They'd be irresponsbile otherwise.

Perhaps the timing is just bad, hopefully in about 4 or 5 years all clubs will have money coming out of their backsides and something can be started on a more permanent basis then?

[Sojourner]

Perhaps the timing is just bad, hopefully in about 4 or 5 years all clubs will have money coming out of their backsides and something can be started on a more permanent basis then?

I think that even Blind Freddy can see that the current managment of the SANFL are deliberatley running the SANFL competition into the ground so that the AFL can sweep in with all these promises of what they can add to the competition etc in exchange for them taking control of it and renaming it SA-AFL. When that happens, that is likely to be the time that the show will be put back on air.

It speaks volumes that the amatuer league can support and make a show about amatuer league footy in SA work, while the SANFL cannot make a go of it.

Max Basheer had his time and did alot of good work for the SANFL, yet I am not sure that the same could be said of Rod Payze during his brief tenure so far. If he seriously thinks that this is a good decision for the SANFL then it might be a good idea if he moved on and the position was given to someone else.

[Wedgie]

After helping organise the Rooster Rally I went into "Rally Retirement" but I tell you what, if the SANFL every looks at renaming the league the SA AFL or AFLSA I plan to lead (or participate in) a bloody revolution.
I could handle the "N" being dropped but if anyone at the SANFL tries to rename the sport "AFL" I'll start war.
Its FOOTBALL, its not AFL.
And that round ball game is SOCCER!

[Squawk]

After helping organise the Rooster Rally I went into "Rally Retirement" but I tell you what, if the SANFL every looks at renaming the league the SA AFL or AFLSA I plan to lead (or participate in) a bloody revolution.
I could handle the "N" being dropped but if anyone at the SANFL tries to rename the sport "AFL" I'll start war.
Its FOOTBALL, its not AFL.
And that round ball game is SOCCER!

Agree wholeheartedly with this.

Re the mini league Wedgie - the state govt bailed that out with a $50k grant which I think (but I'll stand corrected) was an amount that was more than what the Coke sponsorship provided.

[CK]

Key areas indicated for this were "production levels" and an inability to provide meaningful viewing figures. On the latter point, the cost involved in sourcing these figures was prohibitive - particularly for myself, who had already endured significant personal cost to keep the show running last year.

I think I've already covered this point fairly well in the original post. I simply, personally, do not have the financial resources to keep committing endless dollars to sourcing this information myself. Put as simply as I can - with the same financial commitments that many of us, I could not keep spending money on these sorts of figures myself, without financial support from the station on it. There comes a time when you have to assess your own commitments in these situations.

If a corporate sponsor was prepared to look at it, then I would certainly be interested in reviving things. It would be personally disappointing if someone else was to front things after perhaps not putting the amounts of time and effort on things over the last 4 years, but I would like to think a sponsor would still like the current team to do things.

[Wedgie]

Noones saying you should pay Chris, C31 should pay to do this for all their shows so they could get improved sponsorship of all of their shows.
It'd either:
a) show that its useful and get more sponsorship
b) show that noone watches it and hence doesn't deserve sponsorship

While not concerned with any other C31 shows I'd be hopeful scenaria (a) would be the case for Total SANFL.

PS Surely an estimation could be made with a simple market research?

[CK]

Without getting too indepth on the specifics of community media, cost allocations, available resources and the nature of the industry - I wish it was that simple, Wedgie, believe me

[Wedgie]

Without getting too indepth on the specifics of community media, cost allocations, available resources and the nature of the industry - I wish it was that simple, Wedgie, believe me

Cheers mate, I just for the life of me (being a big fan of common sense) couldn't imagine why any media organisation of any sort be they local community or not would operate with no idea as to what their audience is.
I couldn't imagine why anyone would even consider putting any show to air week in week out not knowing if they're being seen by 1 person or 1 million people.