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[coyote ugly]

bluestheboy, overloaded and media park - We are all the masters of our own destiny

[Media Park]

bluestheboy, overloaded and media park - We are all the masters of our own destiny

Explain.

Because the way I see it, something that could and should have stayed relatively "in house" is now front page news, and I see literally zero benefit from that article, other than to paint the umpires as saints.

[overloaded]

bluestheboy, overloaded and media park - We are all the masters of our own destiny

Explain.

Because the way I see it, something that could and should have stayed relatively "in house" is now front page news, and I see literally zero benefit from that article, other than to paint the umpires as saints.

well said MP. That is what I was trying to say. No benefit whatsoever

[djd]

here's my take on it. why are umpires so defensive in any matter relating to their performance as an umpire? if we question something they should just tell they either saw it differently or made a mistake and we all move on. they should talk to players more and coaches. so often they say nothing then cry abuse. they get paid very very well and in the main they are good blokes trying their level best but in our league and we have had some lincoln umps their are a couple who just doing it for the money and power.
lastly they say you come and have a go at it, and my reaction is i have and will continue to do so after coaching. i then say how about you come and coach, try to organise 40 blokes 3 times a week for 9 months and then try to council one of them becuase he has just given a 50m away for calling his opposition player a "fat sh*t"!! it's true, it's happened.
money and power!!

[bluestheboy]

Cant help but agree with you MP and djd. Not going to resolve the situation by publicly shaming people.
The PLFL, PLFLUA and clubs need to be united on this one and work togethor.
AND lets be sensible here, the situation is nowhere near as bad as it was years ago. (I am probably the barometer here... )
I think there has been huge steps made in this area, but we still need to remain committed to the cause.

BUT in response to your point about explaining decisions, this can be a bit of a wildfire during a game. Enough players see a totally different version of the events than the umpire, could not explain every one...and would then seem to be second guessing himself.
Pretty hard when 36 other 'umpires' call 'ball' or 'didn't have it' at the same time, and then complain when the decision doesn't always go their way.
A lot of this can stem from the coaches box, where a zero tolerance of questioning calls can have a resounding effect on the players. As my old man told 'don't argue, they never change the decision'....never a truer word spoken.

The ideal time for a club to question a certain decision or trend of decisions would be direct to the PLFL on the following Monday....not sure if this forum is in place but it should be.

As a wise man said to me yesterday "Players are accountable to the coach, the coach to the club, and the club to the league but who are the umpires accountable to?"

[Ken Whelan Fan]

According to the PLFL meeting JP did not make those comments to the reporter.
Tokas had talked to Jim and his statement to the paper was that the matter was before the Tribunal
and he wasnt prepared to comment.
If thats the case then Jim should be seeking a retraction or apology from the Times

[overloaded]

or legal action

[eags]

Just out of curiosity, how many PLFL umpires catch up with the players after the game for a beer? Building up a rapport with players certainly goes a long way to gaining their respect.

From an outsiders perspective, the impression of PLFL umpires at the moment is that of a mob of sooks on a power trip!

[steakn]

I think we are generalising here. There are a number of decent umpires locally(PLFL), Take last week for example, The A grade game(LSFC vs MRFC) went through without a drama, umpires where only seen and heard when appropriate/needed. These are the guys we need to be supporting and encouraging.
If you make known to the umpires that they have your support and appreciation, its amazing what it does for their confidence and making the correct decision under pressure. No different to a footballer, a confident player aware of his role is always going to be more positively effective than one that is down on his confidence, scared of having to make a decision.

[coyote ugly]

I think we are generalising here. There are a number of decent umpires locally(PLFL), Take last week for example, The A grade game(LSFC vs MRFC) went through without a drama, umpires where only seen and heard when appropriate/needed. These are the guys we need to be supporting and encouraging.
If you make known to the umpires that they have your support and appreciation, its amazing what it does for their confidence and making the correct decision under pressure. No different to a footballer, a confident player aware of his role is always going to be more positively effective than one that is down on his confidence, scared of having to make a decision.

A lot better way to go about it than giving sprays. great post

[bluestheboy]

I think we are generalising here. There are a number of decent umpires locally(PLFL), Take last week for example, The A grade game(LSFC vs MRFC) went through without a drama, umpires where only seen and heard when appropriate/needed. These are the guys we need to be supporting and encouraging.
If you make known to the umpires that they have your support and appreciation, its amazing what it does for their confidence and making the correct decision under pressure. No different to a footballer, a confident player aware of his role is always going to be more positively effective than one that is down on his confidence, scared of having to make a decision.

Spot on. Thought Papy and Staunton were good on Saturday...
It's amazing what can hapen to an umpires decision making when he is copping a barrage from players and coaching boxes.

That was the odd thing about last saturday...RH and the WFC are as good as any in the league at 'playing by the rules'.....

[westcoastpanther]

I think we are generalising here. There are a number of decent umpires locally(PLFL), Take last week for example, The A grade game(LSFC vs MRFC) went through without a drama, umpires where only seen and heard when appropriate/needed. These are the guys we need to be supporting and encouraging.
If you make known to the umpires that they have your support and appreciation, its amazing what it does for their confidence and making the correct decision under pressure. No different to a footballer, a confident player aware of his role is always going to be more positively effective than one that is down on his confidence, scared of having to make a decision.

Sounds like all at Souths have learnt a lesson from the days when Dazza was coaching

[overloaded]

No one should approach an umpire while in 'game mode'. You are in an irrational state and have blinkers on, adrenalin is pumping and nothing good will come of it as we have seen. As btb mentioned half the crowd calling 'holding the ball' and half calling 'hanging on'. We are all guilty of being totally biased when in game mode. Every bench/coaches box does it, some more than others, but I agree with btb waybacks are far from the worst offenders in this area.
Every decision cant go your way.

[Ken Whelan Fan]

Interesting league meeting last night one thing which I didnt know is that there is no income insurance coverage for
players participating in Mortlock, EP etc unless a claim is made against the players own home club.
It has come to the surface with the broken leg sustained by Dale Montgomerie whilst representing Port Lincoln
Waybacks have asked the league to assist meeting some of his lost income, which the league have agreed to look into

[tangles2k9]

Interesting league meeting last night one thing which I didnt know is that there is no income insurance coverage for
players participating in Mortlock, EP etc unless a claim is made against the players own home club.
It has come to the surface with the broken leg sustained by Dale Montgomerie whilst representing Port Lincoln
Waybacks have asked the league to assist meeting some of his lost income, which the league have agreed to look into

When players play any inter-league match for Port Lincoln, Lincoln City or Districts they are covered by the clubs income insurance IF THEY HAVE IT.

[Ken Whelan Fan]

Tangles surely all clubs would have income protection !
But is it really the responsibility of the clubs when they arent actually playing for their club?
I may be completely on the wrong beam and using young Montgomery as an example why should
Waybacks have to cover the kid (Whether they are insured or not)

[Media Park]

Interesting league meeting last night one thing which I didnt know is that there is no income insurance coverage for
players participating in Mortlock, EP etc unless a claim is made against the players own home club.
It has come to the surface with the broken leg sustained by Dale Montgomerie whilst representing Port Lincoln
Waybacks have asked the league to assist meeting some of his lost income, which the league have agreed to look into

When players play any inter-league match for Port Lincoln, Lincoln City or Districts they are covered by the clubs income insurance IF THEY HAVE IT.

Tangles! The gates to the ivory castle open, and the league's public officer descends for the first time!

[overloaded]

KWF was Montgomerie not representing Waybacks when playing for Port Lincoln?

Just a thought

[coyote ugly]

All clubs were sent a letter in February asking if they wanted an umpire to come to training or clubrooms and explain the interpritation of the rules. Only one club responded to the letter and showed any interest. So please dont state that the umpireing panel is not making an effort.
Djd I am not sure umpires get paid "very very well" considering the abuse they have to put up with, training midweek and often working in bad conditions.
We have 3 GFFL umpires this week and lets welcome them and adjust our games accordingly as they do umpire slightly differently.

It is up to a player to know what insurance his club has.

I spoke with an umpire involved and RH chose to approach and spray the central umpires even before the goal umpires had met in the centre of the ground. It was pre meditated and justice was done

[Media Park]

lets welcome them and adjust our games accordingly as they do umpire slightly differently.
Dumbest comment ever. Why on earth would you adjust your game? From what I've heard in regards to GFFL umpires, they have more talent than the PLFL's umpires (Todd George the only exception). Play the game how the game is played, and see what impartial umpires call. Don't change anything, or you're kidding yourselves.
I spoke with an umpire involved and RH chose to approach and spray the central umpires even before the goal umpires had met in the centre of the ground. It was pre meditated and justice was done
Justice was done? So the mandatory sentencing policy that saw Horgan struck with a two game penalty also included a front page character bashing?