Grade Cricket

[smac]

Most clubs pay for courses, good investment.

The course cost is subsidised already, level 1 costs SACA over $150 per participant and $90 is passed on to the participant.

And did you really have a level 3 coach course participant? SACA select these and they are normally SACA coaches as there are only a few spots each year and cost SACA around $5k each.

[tigerpie]

Most clubs pay for courses, good investment.

The course cost is subsidised already, level 1 costs SACA over $150 per participant and $90 is passed on to the participant.

And did you really have a level 3 coach course participant? SACA select these and they are normally SACA coaches as there are only a few spots each year and cost SACA around $5k each.

No we didnt have a level 3, i was just highlighting the 3 levels. I'll ask the treasurer but we paid $150 i'm pretty sure.

[smac]

Bet you didn't. Noone does.

[Footy Smart]

Well after reading the last few pages, its clear to me that some grade clubs do the right thing and some clearly dont. Some put time and effort into not only their Junior system but into their country zone as well. I personally spent 2 days in Renmark with kids from our country zone and learnt a stack about the country cricket dynamic and the complexities that face the young kids when/if they want to come to town to play grade cricket. (could talk for ever on the topic, because it aint an easy fix really.... money and/or travel time isnt often the only factor that I found preventing kids) . Im sure we will head back this year and do the same clinic set up.

As for the Juniors, the white grade at U/16 is crucial and then it should be 1xU13 and 1x U14 grade. The facts are some clubs are to lazy to manage 4 Junior teams thats why they dont want the whites comp. The Whites is a crucial grade for nurturing the younger kids who while talented take a bit longer to develop.

I sturggle to see how the whites comp is the reason the state talent isnt up to scratch

[smac]

Who said it was?

[Footy Smart]

Who said it was?

If it aint broke dont fix it?

More important things to worry about thats for sure!

[smac]

Continuous improvement!

[Footy Smart]

Continuous improvement!

By reducing the chance to improve/develop young talent?

[smac]

No, by increasing the chance of developing talent.

Have a squad of 15-18, those not selected play community cricket and are able to train with a grade club. The coaches are able to focus better on those in the squad because the squad is reduced.

I know that Jets U16 White team this year was made up largely of kids not good enough to make the U14 squad. Junk cricket, wasting the time of people who should be focussing on elite development.

[Footy Smart]

No, by increasing the chance of developing talent.

Have a squad of 15-18, those not selected play community cricket and are able to train with a grade club. The coaches are able to focus better on those in the squad because the squad is reduced.

I know that Jets U16 White team this year was made up largely of kids not good enough to make the U14 squad. Junk cricket, wasting the time of people who should be focussing on elite development.

if you have a training squad of 18 whats 4 or so more kids at training, its about the structure you have in place to allow development. Your above statement probably reflects NDs set up, with the focus on Woodies 14s while the 16 reds and whites almost having a punch up at training.

Its far from junk cricket for clubs that work hard on their Jnr set up and actively try and source talent from Community Clubs. From wathing and ATCA U/15 Prelim, our 16 whites would have beaten both sides... So how much would the first year 16 say who isnt in the top 11 players improve in a reduced standard comp? I have found that kids often do want to come to a grade club if a proper approach is made to them. Often the ones scoring the runs taking the wickets arent the most talented either so actually attending games and trainings is far more important than stats (note to SACA when choosing state squads ).

Community Cubs have to protect their own interest, they dont want grade clubs dictating to them and some dont even want to work with the grade clubs when proper reasonable approaches are made on any topic.

[smac]

So two teams will have a squad of 22?

LOL @ the Woody comment, I'll pass that on!

We'll have to agree to disagree on the whites, we've been there before and will never agree. Good debate though, one the clubs should be having around their board tables.

Your last point is interesting. Community clubs are saying "these grade clubs have given us nothing and done nothing for years. Now they're turning up acting all nice... What do they really want? Where's the catch?" Much ground to be made up between the two groups (just like there is between SACA and Grade Clubs) before the system can work how it should.

[Footy Smart]

So two teams will have a squad of 22?

LOL @ the Woody comment, I'll pass that on!

We'll have to agree to disagree on the whites, we've been there before and will never agree. Good debate though, one the clubs should be having around their board tables.

Your last point is interesting. Community clubs are saying "these grade clubs have given us nothing and done nothing for years. Now they're turning up acting all nice... What do they really want? Where's the catch?" Much ground to be made up between the two groups (just like there is between SACA and Grade Clubs) before the system can work how it should.

You could run 22 (purely U/16) players and if required use performing U14s... Our Squad is larger and all seem to recieve adequate elite coaching. I have spoken with a few Jnr coaches who firmly believe in the importance of the white comp.

Re the Comm Clubs, your exactly right. Hence if you do drop the white comp it cant be immediatley to avoid further set back of the grade comp..... it would need to be staged and manager properly, which I cant see happening, hende i wouldnt change anything. Much water has to go under the bridge and new relationships formed before your proposal could be used without causing chaos.

[The Hound]

We'll have to agree to disagree on the whites, we've been there before and will never agree. Good debate though, one the clubs should be having around their board tables.

Maybe if clubs elected younger Presidents who then make it onto the grade cricket committee then the debate will be relevant but until a more youthful disscussion can be had at the grade cricket committee level then we will be having this debate this time next year.

Too much negativity from long serving club presidents only interested in their inner sanctum.

[eags]

I wouldn't knock what country cricket gets.

Pound for pound, they do extremely well.

SA invests the least $$$ into country cricket out of all the states!

[heater31]

I wouldn't knock what country cricket gets.

Pound for pound, they do extremely well.

SA invests the least $$$ into country cricket out of all the states!

Qld probably are not far behind, allegedly they cut the guts out of the underage program to offset some of the expense of their big bash franchise.

[smac]

I wouldn't knock what country cricket gets.

Pound for pound, they do extremely well.

SA invests the least $$$ into country cricket out of all the states!

Probably. SACA spends less than other states everywhere because they have less to spend.

[Footy Smart]

Im hearing some big name movements in the wings this year.... Could be some very strong sides and some weakened

anyone heard some confirmed movements?

[heater31]

Im hearing some big name movements in the wings this year.... Could be some very strong sides and some weakened

anyone heard some confirmed movements?

Dan Cullen on the move again

[The Angry Bull]

Im hearing some big name movements in the wings this year.... Could be some very strong sides and some weakened

anyone heard some confirmed movements?

maybe not confirmed but...
T. Head to West Torrens, to further enhance his chance of state selection by playing with his teammates
T. Davey to Willetton CC in Perth, in the hope the saca selctors will call him back with a full time contract
M. Weaver to Port to make p.finnie a happy boy
T and B Evans to join up with C and K Richo, T and K Pascoe, J and C Borgas and whichever Plant's are willing to play in the newly formed 14th team the 'Brothers CC'
D. Cullen to uni's so he can finally be the one man team

[eags]

Im hearing some big name movements in the wings this year.... Could be some very strong sides and some weakened

anyone heard some confirmed movements?

Tom Plant and Putland (after moving to Henley) look a big chance to play for the Eagles.