Power players leaving SANFL clubs to Magpies

[on the rails]

If Port Adelaide AFL Reserves and Crows Reserves come in - they and the Magpies will not be playing in the SANFL League Comp - simple as that. League Comp will be 8 teams with a non hidden agenda!

The decision to move Young has angered not only North - the NAFC and the League have been very diplomatic re public statements but behind closed doors a much different matter. At least he is of League standard and wont be gifted a game lke D. Butcher who lets face it has many wondering why he was drafted - obvious really, to hold his brothers hand so he didnt get homesick!

This under handed "one club" action is ensuring the Magpies won't survive at League level! Power Reserves can wear B&W it will be a reminder for the rest of us to continue to hate the club!

By the way be my fading memory - North must be leading the SANFL in the list of most players moved to another club - from meory I can only recall Tom Gilligan moved by the Crows and that was to the Magpies too. He was no loss either but it the principal of the matter is what really pisses me off about the current AFL distribution and total control of players!

[Lynwood]

If Port Adelaide AFL Reserves and Crows Reserves come in - they and the Magpies will not be playing in the SANFL League Comp - simple as that. League Comp will be 8 teams with a non hidden agenda!

The decision to move Young has angered not only North - the NAFC and the League have been very diplomatic re public statements but behind closed doors a much different matter. At least he is of League standard and wont be gifted a game lke D. Butcher who lets face it has many wondering why he was drafted - obvious really, to hold his brothers hand so he didnt get homesick!

This under handed "one club" action is ensuring the Magpies won't survive at League level! Power Reserves can wear B&W it will be a reminder for the rest of us to continue to hate the club!

By the way be my fading memory - North must be leading the SANFL in the list of most players moved to another club - from meory I can only recall Tom Gilligan moved by the Crows and that was to the Magpies too. He was no loss either but it the principal of the matter is what really pisses me off about the current AFL distribution and total control of players!

Agree D Butcher needs to have some games in the reserves. This is what worries me is that the Magpies will be used only as a development team.

[Macca19]

I can understand people being narky at Newton and Butcher, but not Young. Played 9 SANFL league games and 12 AFL games last year. No reserves. Are we meant to believe that a player who did not play SANFL reserves last year, who played very good SANFL football last year, who was an emergency for the Round 1 AFL match last week, is not good enough to play SANFL league for a middle of the road SANFL club? Bull shit. North playing funny buggers and now people are whinging (again) about a player moving. So we bloody should move him.

Personally, the SANFL clubs are making it clear they dont want Port listed players and are essentially saying yes, have your club as the AFL reserves team.

I think most are whinging that every power player that has to moves clubs is automatically going straight to the magpies

The SANFL have to sign off on the trade. They are allowing it to happen.

[on the rails]

I want to hear some decent official explanations as to why these palyers have been moved other than they told the Power they were unhappy? Motlop anmd Butcher were moved from North because why - we recognised they were only of Reserves Standard? Young hadn't played a trial for us, didn't front for us in the last trial game when the AFL had a week off so given that and not alot of game time for the Power (and what happened in the finals last year with his "supposed" injury) there were lots of questions around where he should play last Sat night. He played well and would have as stated officially by North in the League side this a week.

What happens if he was coming back from a long term injury and needed match fitness half way through a home and away season season? Other than the top players at each club most have a run in the ressies first?

Anyhow..............Port are a mob of.............!

[whufc]

If Young really were in North's best 21, why would Francou not pick him? Does Francou, as coach of NAFC, want to win football matches, or does he want to spite Port Adelaide? Seems to me that the fact he was not picked is in and of itself clear evidence that he was not in the best 21.

so going by that you are saying north adelaide is at afl level?

There have been plenty of AFL listed players not up to SANFL standard, Danny Boyle, Matty Westoff and Donnelly a few that come to mind at Centrals.

[Macca19]

Young hadn't played a trial for us, didn't front for us in the last trial game when the AFL had a week off so given that and not alot of game time for the Power

Young played every trial game for Port. He had plenty of match fitness.

What happens if he was coming back from a long term injury and needed match fitness half way through a home and away season season? Other than the top players at each club most have a run in the ressies first?

Not at all relevant to the current situation.

[rod_rooster]

If Young really were in North's best 21, why would Francou not pick him? Does Francou, as coach of NAFC, want to win football matches, or does he want to spite Port Adelaide? Seems to me that the fact he was not picked is in and of itself clear evidence that he was not in the best 21.

so going by that you are saying north adelaide is at afl level?

How has he said that? Being picked for Port Power as an emergency means nothing. Port have given plenty of blokes games that were barely SANFL Reserves standard. Not saying Young is one. Young may well be a better player than some players in the North side but if one of them was a ruckman, a key position forward or back etc. he couldn't fill their role. As others have said, Francou is picking his team to win and not any other reason.

[on the rails]

I can understand people being narky at Newton and Butcher, but not Young. Played 9 SANFL league games and 12 AFL games last year. No reserves. Are we meant to believe that a player who did not play SANFL reserves last year, who played very good SANFL football last year, who was an emergency for the Round 1 AFL match last week, is not good enough to play SANFL league for a middle of the road SANFL club? Bull shit. North playing funny buggers and now people are whinging (again) about a player moving. So we bloody should move him.

Personally, the SANFL clubs are making it clear they dont want Port listed players and are essentially saying yes, have your club as the AFL reserves team.

Middle of the Road - when? the past maybe, present NO and future who knows but from where I sit if North finished 3rd last year and could well do that or higher this year so that makes us top third not middle third vs the Magpies who are where at present - bottom third? Based on that arguement which team is likely to improve performance for Young to get back to AFL?

We better watch out this week if Moore / Blee or Stewart spend too much time rotating off the bench as part of normal interchange rotations for rest - Port might get the shits and move them by next week?

[saintal]

The other players that have moved so far this season are hardly league standard anyway. I'm sure north are happy not to have to worry about Danny Butcher and west aren't losing sleep about coming up against Ben Newton.

I think its the principle that pisses most people off.
Sometimes players have to do the hard yards in the Ressies, they are not an automatic league selection just because they get drafted to an AFL side.

Agree with both your statements Jim. Doesn't send a great message to the player IMO.

I feel for those PAM supporters who dont give a stuff about the Power, having to watch their team slowly grow into a glorified reserves team for "big brother". How long til South get the tap on the shoulder to play Shaw in the league side?

SANFL weak for permitting these latest transfers.

[DOC]

I think he will play league this week. If not, expect a move.

[dedja]

Not that I care anymore, but when will Hitchcock move to the Magpies ... is it his turn to move this week?

[hereselmo1]

Good on Port for doing what is best for the development of their players.

Playing young in the SANFL reserves when he is fit and in form is a joke.

[on the rails]

Good on Port for doing what is best for the development of their players.

Playing young in the SANFL reserves when he is fit and in form is a joke.

Well why did Port stand him out of the finals for North last year with a hamstring injury but allow him to risk it further by not playing but taking part in the GF Sprint Relays. I have yet to hear comment or any reasonable explanation as to the double standard Port employed there!

[on the rails]

Good on Port for doing what is best for the development of their players.

Really - so gifting the likes of Butcher and Newton League games when their form or ability doesn't deserve it is good - giving players false hope and exposing them at the level they are really are at! Even the Magpie / Power people on TPFP are questioning the gifting of games. I would expect them on your rationale to both make their AFL debuts this year because that would be the ultimate development regardless if they deserve it or not! Let's see Port preactice what they preach and whinge about!

[heater31]

Not that I care anymore, but when will Hitchcock move to the Magpies ... is it his turn to move this week?

Get Massie to drop him to the 2's and bingo

[Pseudo]

IMO the only thing the SANFL got right when the Port bid was selected to get the AFL license was the separation of the Magpies and the Power.

My opinion has now been proven correct: ever since the unholy merger, the whole frickin' league has gone to pot.

This can go on no longer. Either all AFL players get out of Our League, or PAM does.

[Macca19]

Good on Port for doing what is best for the development of their players.

Really - so gifting the likes of Butcher and Newton League games when their form or ability doesn't deserve it is good - giving players false hope and exposing them at the level they are really are at! Even the Magpie / Power people on TPFP are questioning the gifting of games. I would expect them on your rationale to both make their AFL debuts this year because that would be the ultimate development regardless if they deserve it or not! Let's see Port preactice what they preach and whinge about!

Newton is SANFL standard. He could well debut at AFL level this year. D Butch is clearly not SANFL standard.

[on the rails]

This can go on no longer. Either all AFL players get out of Our League, or PAM does.

Both should go!

[StrayDog]

Especially after demanding they remain in the competition. Oh that's right, that must have been OK.

It was actually Port that demanded to stay in the SANFL in their submission for the sub-licence during the tendering process. Keep trying to rewrite history.

It was the SANFL Commission that demanded the winning bidder maintain a presence in the competition as part of the Tender process. Port Adelaide supported that as part of their submission.

Personally, I'm happy with the version of history presented to Port people (and the media) by Boulton and Cunningham about 12 years ago, since posted on here by Macca19.

In what commercial TV might call an "encore":-

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=30425&p=1142483#p1142483


"The proposal of the tenderer had to include how the SANFL competition would be reduced to 8 teams.

"The PAFC tender document did not support nor agree to the pre-condition of a merger to create 8 SANFL teams was fundamental to the granting of the licence.

The Port Adelaide Board in 1995 obtained legal opinions on the power of SANFL league Directors to expel the Magpies from the competition and were ready to defend this issue. The SANFL Commission was supportive of the PAFC remaining in the SANFL competition."



If posters, in all fairness of varying allegiance, have a better, more complete or complimentary understanding of the mid-90s machinations to those presented in the link, then good on them.

If others hold fast to alternative recollections, whether or not as part of their trademark mini-rants, so be it. In all likelihood, if people don't get it now - so many years after the fact - they probably never will.



Enough said.

[hereselmo1]

Good on Port for doing what is best for the development of their players.

Playing young in the SANFL reserves when he is fit and in form is a joke.

Well why did Port stand him out of the finals for North last year with a hamstring injury but allow him to risk it further by not playing but taking part in the GF Sprint Relays. I have yet to hear comment or any reasonable explanation as to the double standard Port employed there!

You can't hear it but if you read back through the posts you will see I already answered this.

Have you ever heard of a player cleared to do straight line running at training but not ready for side to side movement or contact yet?