Essendon 2013

[kickinit]

Kickinit - if you go back to my previous post I was (as WHUFC pointed out) referring to the silence / no comment in any shape or form by the AFL. I mentioned nothing about penalties or suspensions so perhaps using your finger underneath every word as you read will help the slow dim witted like you?

maybe you should go read some news article because Andy D has spoken out about Essendon and Watson.

[on the rails]

Kickinit - if you go back to my previous post I was (as WHUFC pointed out) referring to the silence / no comment in any shape or form by the AFL. I mentioned nothing about penalties or suspensions so perhaps using your finger underneath every word as you read will help the slow dim witted like you?

maybe you should go read some news article because Andy D has spoken out about Essendon and Watson.

Hmm I should have made myself completely clear, there has been no official or unoffical comment from the AFL and in particular Andy D. since Watson made his admission last Monday night! Google Andrew Demetriou on google news and find an article or quote from him in the past 7 days. If you can then I will take it back about you being dimwitted.

[RustyCage]

Caroline Wilson said on the radio that in terms of the penalties handed out she was told by the AFL they can do what they want, but she was told they can't officially comment until the findings from the investigation are released

[kickinit]

Kickinit - if you go back to my previous post I was (as WHUFC pointed out) referring to the silence / no comment in any shape or form by the AFL. I mentioned nothing about penalties or suspensions so perhaps using your finger underneath every word as you read will help the slow dim witted like you?

maybe you should go read some news article because Andy D has spoken out about Essendon and Watson.

Hmm I should have made myself completely clear, there has been no official or unoffical comment from the AFL and in particular Andy D. since Watson made his admission last Monday night! Google Andrew Demetriou on google news and find an article or quote from him in the past 7 days. If you can then I will take it back about you being dimwitted.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/a ... 6668461129

http://wwos.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8681340

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-06-30/a ... ons-claims

The last one was written today, the AFL aren't going to comment on the issue until it has all the facts from Essendon. You know if they came out and put suspension on Watson, he wouldn't have to speak to ASADA until his hearing. You know Mark Thompson hasn't even been talked to by ASADA yet and he is a big player in this scandal. You don't think the AFL would be sued if they suspended a player then it comes out they did nothing wrong. Think of it this way you get charged with murder go to court and the judge gives a life sentence, but the police that where doing the investigation didn't show up without any evidence.

You do realise that AOD-9604 isn't a banned substance on the S2 list, which is a clear cut list eg steroids. But according to WADA is a banned substance on the S0 category, which has a lot of grey area's. Which until ASADA hand out those infringement notices aren't going to be stupid enough to suspend players. It is pretty clear why the AFL aren't doing anything because everything is in ASADA hands.

[on the rails]

LOL your clutching at straws - none of those articles answer my question!!! Why has the AFL (Andy D) been silent on the Watson admission, that is my POINT! What bit don't you get?

The legal argument / slant is no different than the Milne rape charges. A major indictable criminal offence before the Courts is far more serious than a footballer or footballers taking a banned diaretic yet the AFL and Andy D. made some comment on that albeit very neutral ones but at least they said something? Even the quotes in the articles of an AFL no comment since the Watson admission have not had any Senior AFL Official's name to it. I suspect when the media rang AFL house it was the receptionist stating that the AFL wouldn't comment and nor could the media speak to anyone in power to comment or not comment. They are running scared and hiding no doubt!

[kickinit]

LOL your clutching at straws - none of those articles answer my question!!! Why has the AFL (Andy D) been silent on the Watson admission, that is my POINT! What bit don't you get?

The legal argument / slant is no different than the Milne rape charges. A major indictable criminal offence before the Courts is far more serious than a footballer or footballers taking a banned diaretic yet the AFL and Andy D. made some comment on that albeit very neutral ones but at least they said something? Even the quotes in the articles of an AFL no comment since the Watson admission have not had any Senior AFL Official's name to it. I suspect when the media rang AFL house it was the receptionist stating that the AFL wouldn't comment and nor could the media speak to anyone in power to comment or not comment. They are running scared and hiding no doubt!

what do you want them to say. All the AFL have said about milne that he's innocent until proven guilty and would be allowed to come back and play when he and st kilda are happy. They are pretty much doing the same with watson and essendon innocent until proven guilty. just like any business they ain't going to go out in the media and take a guess at something, they will only provide a comment until they have the evidence in front of them, at which this stage they haven't. Do you know ASADA are still trying to get Dank to come in for a interview, because he apparently holds information which could AOD-9604 a legal substance, which would mean Watson isn't a drug cheat. But seeing as you have failed to understand how the system works means you would never understand this.

Anyway for someone that hates the AFL so much why you in the AFL thread?

[RustyCage]

The AFL have said they won't come out and say anything until the investigation has finished. They've said that from day 1. That's not going to change just because a few people who aren't involved in anything to do with the situation want to hear something

[whufc]

The AFL have said they won't come out and say anything until the investigation has finished. They've said that from day 1. That's not going to change just because a few people who aren't involved in anything to do with the situation want to hear something

In fairness the whole landscape changed once a player came out and admitted to using the banned substance

[RustyCage]

The AFL have said they won't come out and say anything until the investigation has finished. They've said that from day 1. That's not going to change just because a few people who aren't involved in anything to do with the situation want to hear something

In fairness the whole landscape changed once a player came out and admitted to using the banned substance

True, and a quick comment from the AFL wouldn't have hurt anyone.

[kickinit]

The AFL have said they won't come out and say anything until the investigation has finished. They've said that from day 1. That's not going to change just because a few people who aren't involved in anything to do with the situation want to hear something

In fairness the whole landscape changed once a player came out and admitted to using the banned substance

he came out and admitted to taking a substance that the assured him was a legal substance. He hasn't come out and said yes I took a substance I knew was banned. Unfortunately for us and the AFL we don't know what has been said behind close doors. By the sounds of it a few people in the Essendon football club (not players) have gone through a few pairs of jocks in the last couple of months. And there is 1 person especially, if involved should get a life ban and thats not Dank.

[on the rails]

Thank you pafc1870! Why hasn't there been even just 1 comment / statement re Watson? You don't think the media is not going to be camped out at the Airport when Andy D. arrives home from his overseas holiday!

[kickinit]

The AFL have said they won't come out and say anything until the investigation has finished. They've said that from day 1. That's not going to change just because a few people who aren't involved in anything to do with the situation want to hear something

In fairness the whole landscape changed once a player came out and admitted to using the banned substance

True, and a quick comment from the AFL wouldn't have hurt anyone.

I would of thought the comment "we are not in a position to comment until we have all the information" was good enough. Seems pretty fair to me when the situation was that big that there was a ACC investigation. Would you also want the AFL to comment then 2 months later come out and say sorry we where wrong.

[daysofourlives]

The AFL have said they won't come out and say anything until the investigation has finished. They've said that from day 1. That's not going to change just because a few people who aren't involved in anything to do with the situation want to hear something

In fairness the whole landscape changed once a player came out and admitted to using the banned substance

he came out and admitted to taking a substance that the assured him was a legal substance. He hasn't come out and said yes I took a substance I knew was banned. Unfortunately for us and the AFL we don't know what has been said behind close doors. By the sounds of it a few people in the Essendon football club (not players) have gone through a few pairs of jocks in the last couple of months. And there is 1 person especially, if involved should get a life ban and thats not Dank.

Who would that be, Thompson, Hird or the doc?

[whufc]

The AFL have said they won't come out and say anything until the investigation has finished. They've said that from day 1. That's not going to change just because a few people who aren't involved in anything to do with the situation want to hear something

In fairness the whole landscape changed once a player came out and admitted to using the banned substance

he came out and admitted to taking a substance that the assured him was a legal substance. He hasn't come out and said yes I took a substance I knew was banned. Unfortunately for us and the AFL we don't know what has been said behind close doors. By the sounds of it a few people in the Essendon football club (not players) have gone through a few pairs of jocks in the last couple of months. And there is 1 person especially, if involved should get a life ban and thats not Dank.

Isn't it still his body, his system, his responsibility!

No matter what he was told by dank or anyone involved at Essendon unless he can prove he was unconscious when the substance was administered he is up shit creek

[kickinit]

The AFL have said they won't come out and say anything until the investigation has finished. They've said that from day 1. That's not going to change just because a few people who aren't involved in anything to do with the situation want to hear something

In fairness the whole landscape changed once a player came out and admitted to using the banned substance

he came out and admitted to taking a substance that the assured him was a legal substance. He hasn't come out and said yes I took a substance I knew was banned. Unfortunately for us and the AFL we don't know what has been said behind close doors. By the sounds of it a few people in the Essendon football club (not players) have gone through a few pairs of jocks in the last couple of months. And there is 1 person especially, if involved should get a life ban and thats not Dank.

Who would that be, Thompson, Hird or the doc?

It's one of those 3, i'm sure you can work who it is.

[kickinit]

Isn't it still his body, his system, his responsibility!

No matter what he was told by dank or anyone involved at Essendon unless he can prove he was unconscious when the substance was administered he is up shit creek

Firstly i think you get the impression I actually agree with all this, I am far from that. If I had my way i would of handed a life ban on all the idiots for even considering taking a substance thats not fit for human use.

It is the ruling that it is his responsibility, to some extent. There is cases were a athlete can be excused from this, mind you very rare and very very hard to prove. But the S0 category that it falls under is basically any substance that hasn't been approved by any Government health authority for human use. So at the moment I think you would find that ASADA and WADA would be dotting their i and crossing their t to make sure that they get this decision 100% correct. It's not as simple as it would be with just 1 players. Your talking a entire club and not just players you've got coaches, doctors, scientist and basically anyone that had any idea about what was going on. You think how much Essendon are set to lose if pretty much the entire club is given a sentence, then on the flip side think how much ASADA would be sued for if Essendon found a loophole in their system.

[RustyCage]

The AFL have said they won't come out and say anything until the investigation has finished. They've said that from day 1. That's not going to change just because a few people who aren't involved in anything to do with the situation want to hear something

In fairness the whole landscape changed once a player came out and admitted to using the banned substance

True, and a quick comment from the AFL wouldn't have hurt anyone.

I would of thought the comment "we are not in a position to comment until we have all the information" was good enough.

Which is exactly what they should have done, the continued silence isn't a good look. Even though they have been told not to make official comments, just the occasional "we'd like to comment but can't" would explain that to people

[on the rails]

Comment or no comment, I think we all agree the whole thing is a bloody mess and a nightmare for the AFL let alone Essendon who really only have themselves to blame. The ultimate / outcome and penalties could change the whole AFL and decimate Essendon.

[RustyCage]

It's definitely a complete mess. People are sick of it and there is currently no end in sight.

[kickinit]

Comment or no comment, I think we all agree the whole thing is a bloody mess and a nightmare for the AFL let alone Essendon who really only have themselves to blame. The ultimate / outcome and penalties could change the whole AFL and decimate Essendon.

Especially when your talking about a substance that has been classified as "not fit for human use". Think about 5-10 years time if this substance starts showing health issue.

There is a way to future proof the issue. Any substance used has to be documented with ASADA, then when ASADA do a check if your found to having anything that was declared to ASADA you automatically get a 2 year ban, no question asked.