SAAFL Div C5 2007

[Bluedemon]

but you do know if they forfeit ag kenilworth this week the three strikes your out rule applies, and they are no more for 2007.

it wont matter as they arent going to make the finals.

[Punk Rooster]

but you do know if they forfeit ag kenilworth this week the three strikes your out rule applies, and they are no more for 2007.

it wont matter as they arent going to make the finals.

it will matter to the other sides drawn to play them...

[finn]

cheers for the relegation/promotion information mr rooster.

[Pag]

I thought it depended on whether the A grade side gets relegated or promoted as to whether the C grade teams are promoted/relegated, much like the B grade. Thougyt the amatuer league wanted to keep clubs playing against the same club in all 3 grades to try and entice the triple-header deal more often? Correct me if I'm wrong, because I very well could be.

[Felch]

I thought it depended on whether the A grade side gets relegated or promoted as to whether the C grade teams are promoted/relegated, much like the B grade. Thougyt the amatuer league wanted to keep clubs playing against the same club in all 3 grades to try and entice the triple-header deal more often? Correct me if I'm wrong, because I very well could be.

Im pretty sure you are right Pag, otherwise it was pointless changing to the new grades. It wont matter where a clubs C grade team finish, their division for the following season will be dependant on their A grade teams division. It all makes pretty good sense to me.
Where did you get your info from Rooster ?

[gothebombers]

I thought it depended on whether the A grade side gets relegated or promoted as to whether the C grade teams are promoted/relegated, much like the B grade. Thougyt the amatuer league wanted to keep clubs playing against the same club in all 3 grades to try and entice the triple-header deal more often? Correct me if I'm wrong, because I very well could be.

def right. there is no relegation promotion in c grade any more. this is the reason why they made it c1 c2 etc. if they go back to the original div 8 9 and 10 this will change, but gepps are stuck in c1 until their a gr drop to div 2. the focus is on the a grade of each club, your b gr follow as the res side but mostly the c grade is for the older or not so good players to have some fun, which seems to be happening this year. the comps been fairly even apart from a few glaring exceptions but at least all the teams arnt getting beaten by 30 g week in out like what was happening with gepps last year

[gothebombers]

absolutely disgraceful by the essendon f c sacking sheedy today, big mistake,,,,,, shame shame shame bombers

[gothebombers]

what number are you punk rooster, ill come and say gday sat. how s your team looking.

[Bluedemon]

I thought it depended on whether the A grade side gets relegated or promoted as to whether the C grade teams are promoted/relegated, much like the B grade. Thougyt the amatuer league wanted to keep clubs playing against the same club in all 3 grades to try and entice the triple-header deal more often? Correct me if I'm wrong, because I very well could be.

def right. there is no relegation promotion in c grade any more. this is the reason why they made it c1 c2 etc. if they go back to the original div 8 9 and 10 this will change, but gepps are stuck in c1 until their a gr drop to div 2. the focus is on the a grade of each club, your b gr follow as the res side but mostly the c grade is for the older or not so good players to have some fun, which seems to be happening this year. the comps been fairly even apart from a few glaring exceptions but at least all the teams arnt getting beaten by 30 g week in out like what was happening with gepps last year

what happens next year if your club get a fourth side, where will they play?

[Punk Rooster]

I thought it depended on whether the A grade side gets relegated or promoted as to whether the C grade teams are promoted/relegated, much like the B grade. Thougyt the amatuer league wanted to keep clubs playing against the same club in all 3 grades to try and entice the triple-header deal more often? Correct me if I'm wrong, because I very well could be.

def right. there is no relegation promotion in c grade any more. this is the reason why they made it c1 c2 etc. if they go back to the original div 8 9 and 10 this will change, but gepps are stuck in c1 until their a gr drop to div 2. the focus is on the a grade of each club, your b gr follow as the res side but mostly the c grade is for the older or not so good players to have some fun, which seems to be happening this year. the comps been fairly even apart from a few glaring exceptions but at least all the teams arnt getting beaten by 30 g week in out like what was happening with gepps last year

I got my information out of the Booklet they issue you with- but it related generally, & was not specific to Div C.
In my opinion, they can't sustain C's aligning with the A's & B's past 1 season.

[Felch]

I thought it depended on whether the A grade side gets relegated or promoted as to whether the C grade teams are promoted/relegated, much like the B grade. Thougyt the amatuer league wanted to keep clubs playing against the same club in all 3 grades to try and entice the triple-header deal more often? Correct me if I'm wrong, because I very well could be.

def right. there is no relegation promotion in c grade any more. this is the reason why they made it c1 c2 etc. if they go back to the original div 8 9 and 10 this will change, but gepps are stuck in c1 until their a gr drop to div 2. the focus is on the a grade of each club, your b gr follow as the res side but mostly the c grade is for the older or not so good players to have some fun, which seems to be happening this year. the comps been fairly even apart from a few glaring exceptions but at least all the teams arnt getting beaten by 30 g week in out like what was happening with gepps last year

I got my information out of the Booklet they issue you with- but it related generally, & was not specific to Div C.
In my opinion, they can't sustain C's aligning with the A's & B's past 1 season.

Why not ? I would think it would work fine. I know quite a few of the D4 clubs have really embraced the triple-header idea, and i reckon it is great.Im interested to hear why you think it cant be sustained Rooster.

[Punk Rooster]

Why not ? I would think it would work fine. I know quite a few of the D4 clubs have really embraced the triple-header idea, and i reckon it is great.Im interested to hear why you think it cant be sustained Rooster.

I'll use Fitzroy as an example...

Suppose the A's play in the GF (what happens to the B's isn't important for this exercise), they move up into D4. Under your theory, Fitzroy's C5 team move up to C4, despite not making the finals.
Is it fair to put a penalty on the C grade side?
Let's say they get thrashed 9 times out of 10, blokes drop off & the C grade folds- what benefit is that to the SAAFL?
& by the way, insert any club (with 3 sides) into the above scenario...

On the flip side, what about the GF's from the C grade divisions?
Shouldn't they be penalised, by stepping up a grade, or conversly, 2 bottom sides relegated to give them a chance?

As it is this year in C5-
Flinders Uni- have no "A's or B's" they ARE the A's
Adelaide Lutheran, Central United & Kenilworth- A's & B's in D5
Hope Valley, Hectorville, West Croydon & Golden Grove- A's & B's in D6
Plympton forfeited their C5 side- their A's & B's are in D5

So we didn't start with a "perfect" scenario, but it was good/close enough (with the exception of including Flinders Uni). Through natural attrition, C grade sides should rise & fall as their form warrants- not the form of the A grade.

It would be a much better scenario for Fitzroy C grade, to keep playing against "like" sides (again, this goes for any club C grade)

[Felch]

Why not ? I would think it would work fine. I know quite a few of the D4 clubs have really embraced the triple-header idea, and i reckon it is great.Im interested to hear why you think it cant be sustained Rooster.

I'll use Fitzroy as an example...

Suppose the A's play in the GF (what happens to the B's isn't important for this exercise), they move up into D4. Under your theory, Fitzroy's C5 team move up to C4, despite not making the finals.
Is it fair to put a penalty on the C grade side?
Let's say they get thrashed 9 times out of 10, blokes drop off & the C grade folds- what benefit is that to the SAAFL?
& by the way, insert any club (with 3 sides) into the above scenario...

On the flip side, what about the GF's from the C grade divisions?
Shouldn't they be penalised, by stepping up a grade, or conversly, 2 bottom sides relegated to give them a chance?

As it is this year in C5-
Flinders Uni- have no "A's or B's" they ARE the A's
Adelaide Lutheran, Central United & Kenilworth- A's & B's in D5
Hope Valley, Hectorville, West Croydon & Golden Grove- A's & B's in D6
Plympton forfeited their C5 side- their A's & B's are in D5

So we didn't start with a "perfect" scenario, but it was good/close enough (with the exception of including Flinders Uni). Through natural attrition, C grade sides should rise & fall as their form warrants- not the form of the A grade.

It would be a much better scenario for Fitzroy C grade, to keep playing against "like" sides (again, this goes for any club C grade)

Some reasonable points, but i would suggest that in many cases that the clubs that make grand finals in their A grade divisions would quite often have strong C grades. Example is D4 - Para Hills are top, Salisbury second, Mitcham third - all 3 of these have strong C grade sides and should go up with their A & B grades. If the C divisions have relegation/promotion, then surely the SAAFL would have to correct things in a few years and re-distribute the clubs. Obviously, C grade teams following their A/B grade doesnt suit every club, but i would think that in the majority of cases it is pretty accurate. As you said before, not a perfect scenario, but not everyone can be pleased all the time.There is always going to be unhappy clubs.
Also, i would think that as a club gets stronger and moves up divisions, that all their sides would get better. I imagine that if Fitzroy get back into D4, then they would have to recruit some more A grade standard footballers, if they want to consolidate their position. Surely this would then in turn push blokes back into the lower grade teams.

[gothebombers]

the c grade in any comp isnt really that important as its your third side. the a and b grade are really what counts. the c grade is really there just so a few more that arnt playing higher can have a kick and a catch. its a much fairer system the c grade have now than it has been in the last 20 years. the strong clubs in higher div were always playing the weak clubs in lower div and always winning. was always div 1 2 or 3 c grades clubs always playing ag div 4 5 or 6. c grades so if your a div2 b grader and you get dropped to c grade you are playing div 10 (old system) same if your a div 6 b grader and got dropped your playing in the same comp as the div2 c gr , if you know what i mean. this year is a much fairer way and at least keeps the div s together. ie get dropped fr div 1 2 or 3 b grade and your playing c1 c2 or c3. cant be any fairer. (maybe ex flinders uni who should be c3 if there was a spot)

[gothebombers]

what happens next year if your club get a fourth side, where will they play?[/quote]
under the system thats in place at the moment a 4 th side would go into c6. theres not a real lot of clubs that can field 4 teams as ,in this system the c and d s play sep grounds ev 2nd week and you need extra trainers staff etc, can be diff.

[Punk Rooster]

I would forego the triple-header concept, if it meant we were playing teams of equal strength. Also, I would only prefer promotion if we had earnt it, relegation if we deserve it.

Yes, the C's are a feeder side to the A's & B's, but our club is stronger this year for having a C grade- & we've developed some players as well.

[Blue Boy]

I might start up a new topic on the C1 to C6 scenarios for next year !!!

[Bluedemon]

I would forego the triple-header concept, if it meant we were playing teams of equal strength. Also, I would only prefer promotion if we had earnt it, relegation if we deserve it.

Yes, the C's are a feeder side to the A's & B's, but our club is stronger this year for having a C grade- & we've developed some players as well.

same at kenilworth in some ways (except the results in the A's)

[Punk Rooster]

can Fitzroy upset Hectorville this week?

[Bluedemon]

can Fitzroy upset Hectorville this week?

you are still playing for a finals chance so your team will be pumped up for it, we should knock off central united (if they show up)