Society These Days

[Dogwatcher]

The Matthew Wright incident, and the increasing amount of violent attacks, has got me thinking.

Is anyone ever blameless in these situations? And by asking this I'm not casting aspersions on this poor young fella that's had the cr*p belted out of him.

But if you're there, and if you're drinking or around people drinking you increase the chance of something like that happening.

It's like being in a car accident - by being there, you've caused part of the problem. And that's how insurance parties view it.

Are we going to see this sort of reasoning introduced soon in insurance pay outs? As these sort of incidents continue to escalate, insurance companies are going to want to pay less money out, this might be a way around it...

This is a societal question, rather than a question relating to this incident.

[Dutchy]

interesting question DW...my brother was outside a pub waiting for a taxi and was with a girl, 2 blokes made a lewd remark about the girl and my brother told them to nick off in a non agressive manner, ended up getting king hit and smashed his head on the kerb...so simple but can be so deadly...

he got a payout thru victims of crime, but it is capped at a certain amount, this capping may reduce as these incidents increase I dare say

[silicone skyline]

I know of way too many people who go out to pubs and clubs looking for a fight.
Waiting for something to start.
It's a growing trend.
Last friday night i was waiting in a taxi stand and some poor bloke got knocked out cold by a king hit.
Just thought to myself that i could just be me next time.

[Rhino]

interesting question DW...my brother was outside a pub waiting for a taxi and was with a girl, 2 blokes made a lewd remark about the girl and my brother told them to nick off in a non agressive manner, ended up getting king hit and smashed his head on the kerb...so simple but can be so deadly...

he got a payout thru victims of crime, but it is capped at a certain amount, this capping may reduce as these incidents increase I dare say

That's the exact same thing that happened to Jake Bowen earlier this year in the city. Bloody sad state of affairs. Can't a young fella in Adelaide even go to a party and have a drink with his mates without some neanderthal perpetrating violence!!??

What is this city coming to? Shootings in the city becoming almost a weekly occurence and bashings like this seem to be a dime a dozen.

SA Govt needs to turn its rhetoric into actions and give the police more powers and the judiciary tougher sentencing laws that MUST be adhered to IMO.

Hope you get well soon young fella.

[JK]

This incident, and the increasing amount of violent attacks, has got me thinking.

Is anyone ever blameless in these situations? And by asking this I'm not casting aspersions on this poor young fella that's had the cr*p belted out of him.

But if you're there, and if you're drinking or around people drinking you increase the chance of something like that happening.

It's like being in a car accident - by being there, you've caused part of the problem. And that's how insurance parties view it.

Are we going to see this sort of reasoning introduced soon in insurance pay outs? As these sort of incidents continue to escalate, insurance companies are going to want to pay less money out, this might be a way around it...

This is a societal question, rather than a question relating to this incident.

See your point DW, but where does the line get drawn? The alternative is to sit at home, but home invasions have been a common occurrence for years and they too have become increasingly more violent, so does that become unwitting guilt by location/association aswell?

[BPBRB]

He was at a party and putting his girlfriend into a cab when he and others got attacked by gate crashers so it is hard to blame him for being there or any party to it.

Anyone no matter where they are or what time of the day or night is, can just be minding their own business and get hit these days for no reason.

[Dogwatcher]

He was at a party and putting his girlfriend into a cab when he and others got attacked by gate crashers so it is hard to blame him for being there or any party to it.

Anyone no matter where they are or what time of the day or night is, can just be minding their own business and get hit these days for no reason.

My intention in the question above was not intended to blame him.

As I said it's a look at where society might be heading as a result of incidents like this.

[BPBRB]

He was at a party and putting his girlfriend into a cab when he and others got attacked by gate crashers so it is hard to blame him for being there or any party to it.

Anyone no matter where they are or what time of the day or night is, can just be minding their own business and get hit these days for no reason.

My intention in the question above was not intended to blame him.

As I said it's a look at where society might be heading as a result of incidents like this.

Sorry DW - I did get your point and I wasn't trying to suggest you were blaming him but there still are genuine victims out there that do nothing but happen to be in the wrong spot.

If it got to the situation where just being there and doing nothing apportioned some blame to you / victim then no-one would want to leave home - too risky if you want to apply the insurance car collision analogy.

[Dogwatcher]

sadly, could be where we're heading.

[mighty_tiger_79]

I know of way too many people who go out to pubs and clubs looking for a fight.
Waiting for something to start.
It's a growing trend.
Last friday night i was waiting in a taxi stand and some poor bloke got knocked out cold by a king hit.
Just thought to myself that i could just be me next time.

that is so true, people go out looking to start trouble

the best place for this used to be the New york bar and grill a few years back when people went there

[heater31]

I know of way too many people who go out to pubs and clubs looking for a fight.
Waiting for something to start.
It's a growing trend.
Last friday night i was waiting in a taxi stand and some poor bloke got knocked out cold by a king hit.
Just thought to myself that i could just be me next time.

I'm not surprised given where you are mate there are some wayward cannons in that town and I have witnessed it first hand further south by this mob one new years 2 or 3 years back.


myself and 2 other cricket club mates were set upon earlier this year on our end of season trip in a seaside town south of Adelaide. I believe that we were chosen because we were out of towners luckily the cops drove past and the sh*t themselves and took off

[Wedgie]

I must admit in all my life despite trampsing through some of the dingyest and darkest streets of Adelaide and being drunk as a skunk both in a group and by myself I've never had one problem with any person.
I'm just wondering if because I've always been fairly tall and well built if that helps and puts people off harassing me perhaps?
I don't thinks these days are a lot worse to 30 years ago, I just believe they're publicised a lot more.

[Lunchcutter]

i'm only 38 and i do think that some things are worse now than then were in the early ninetees when I was hitting the club/bar scene.. these types of violent incidences seemed a lot less frequent. I believe a large part of the problem is hard drug use in the community (ie speed, meth, cocaine etc) sheesh the worst I ever saw was some dudes coning up in "bent" street next to the Austral Hotel, (mind you did see a couple nasty incidents where the bouncers went overbaord and in one case throwing a pissed dude down a flight of stairs at the Settlers late 80's. Also the way sociey treats the youth of today my mamby pambying them (anti bully policy, fair treatment policies, anti-vilification etc etc) whilst i think that in essence we need things like this, I just think that sometimes its taken too far (a la political correctness)... the youth of today seem much more arrogant in general and dont deal with authority well. As a society I think everyone is quick to judge - how many times do you hear "you should....." " i would have "... all value judgements. Also we've got to contend with the lower end of the gene pool procreating who have no idea how to parent and teach their oppspring values, morals etc. Again, just my opinion but I also think in general we have lost respect for one another often that "get em before they get you" mentallity prevails... personally im of the old school and i treat others how I expect to be treated and am able most times to defuse situations rather than ignite them - my motto is there is always gonna be some dickhead that is ready to piss you off this you can not control - the only thing in our control is the way we react to certain situations (i know im preaching to the converted for the majority on this site). I'm hoping for a return to the three r's "Respect, Responsibility (being acountable for your actions) dont blame others and Reacting (or not reacting to certain situations that may get you in hot water... well thats just my take on things, thanks for the chance to rant.

[Ian]

SA Govt needs to turn its rhetoric into actions and give the police more powers and the judiciary tougher sentencing laws that MUST be adhered to IMO.

The sentencing laws are already there, they just need to be applied tougher, when was the last time anyone heard of someone convicted and then given the maximum penalty, it just doesn't happen.
Rather than change laws, the govt should give a very clear policy to the magistrates instructing them to use the laws that are there now in a much tougher way.

[silicone skyline]

I'm not surprised given where you are mate there are some wayward cannons in that town and I have witnessed it first hand further south by this mob one new years 2 or 3 years back.

I've only been living here for about 18 months, but i think you're talking about the mass fights in either Tumby Bay or Port Neill a few years back???
Yeah, i think that's a few of the crew but there are more than a few names i already know not to cross at any time of day.
I hear of them rocking up to people's houses, people that may have possibly offended one of them at some stage, kicked his door down, dragged him out the house and beat him up.
Must be a real adrenaline rush.
I also think Hindley Street is just amazingly dangerous on a Saturday night.

[Footy Chick]

SS, Hindley St always has, and always will be a dangerous place. Even after numerous attempts to "clean it up" it will always be a mecca for scum.

I used to work at Jules and remember one NYE where the head bouncer wouldn't let a guy in because of his shoes, he came back half an hour later with half a dozen mates with baseball bats and belted the living suitcase out of him. Cant remember if he ever went back to work there.

Also remember seeing one of the Royal Admiral dancers getting harrased in the car park next to the Big Ticket one night(morning), luckily a couple of the bouncers came to her aid, or she could have being raped.

I don't ever remember having as many "gangs" around then like there are today though, drive by's were unheard of.. There is no way you would catch me near any establishment in the west end (bar the casino) on a Saturday night nowadays.

[JAS]

SS, Hindley St always has, and always will be a dangerous place. Even after numerous attempts to "clean it up" it will always be a mecca for scum.

I used to work at Jules and remember one NYE where the head bouncer wouldn't let a guy in because of his shoes, he came back half an hour later with half a dozen mates with baseball bats and belted the living suitcase out of him. Cant remember if he ever went back to work there.

Also remember seeing one of the Royal Admiral dancers getting harrased in the car park next to the Big Ticket one night(morning), luckily a couple of the bouncers came to her aid, or she could have being raped.

I don't ever remember having as many "gangs" around then like there are today though, drive by's were unheard of.. There is no way you would catch me near any establishment in the west end (bar the casino) on a Saturday night nowadays.

So I'm guessing that if I'm planning a trip to Adelaide in the not too distant future I should avoid hotels recommended in guide books in the Hindley St area, especially as I'd be travelling alone. Hmmmm that's quite a few off the 'potential' list Anywhere else in the city that I should actively avoid ????

Regards
JAS

[heater31]

So I'm guessing that if I'm planning a trip to Adelaide in the not too distant future I should avoid hotels recommended in guide books in the Hindley St area, especially as I'd be travelling alone. Hmmmm that's quite a few off the 'potential' list Anywhere else in the city that I should actively avoid ????

Regards
JAS

yep Elizabeth and Nourlunga

just don't go down the dark side streets at night and you should be fine JAS the day time its fairly safe...............I think

[silicone skyline]

I don't know if you should totally avoid it, it's ok if you keep to yourself i think.
But it's one of those things you have to be comfortable with.
And i don't recommend traveling alone.
I might be an isolated night i was there, i'm not sure.

[smac]

So I'm guessing that if I'm planning a trip to Adelaide in the not too distant future I should avoid hotels recommended in guide books in the Hindley St area, especially as I'd be travelling alone. Hmmmm that's quite a few off the 'potential' list Anywhere else in the city that I should actively avoid ????

Regards
JAS

yep Elizabeth and Nourlunga

just don't go down the dark side streets at night and you should be fine JAS the day time its fairly safe...............I think

You've only got one place to go to see the TS Hill trophy with your own eyes, Jas. Keep Elizabeth on the list, don't believe the hype.