LEGS v EAGLES SCORES.

[RustyCage]

They said on ABC News tonight that the Eags will be investigated by the SANFL for having McKenzie come back on to the ground near the end of the game. Surely the Eagles officials would know the rules.

So should the interchange steward who allowed him back on.

Is that his job?

[spell_check]

As far as I know, the interchange steward approves of any changes made and records them on a sheet.

The club manager or whoever is on the boundary line notifies the interchange steward of who is about to go on and off the ground.

[cd]

Personal Observation from the stand was that the player was waved onto the ground by at least one umpire probably not wanting the game held up - that's what it looked like from my spot

Col D

[RustyCage]

Either way, the Eagles should have never tried to put him back on the ground.

[spell_check]

Yes, correct.

But I wonder if they asked the steward if he was allowed back on, or perhaps it was a case of misunderstanding between Eagles officials and the umpire(s) as what cd said. Perhaps the steward said "ok, the umpire says it's alright, McKenzie can go back on", but instead the umpire might have not known it was McKenzie and called him on.

[RustyCage]

Was probably just miscommunication.

[Mickyj]

Personal Observation from the stand was that the player was waved onto the ground by at least one umpire probably not wanting the game held up - that's what it looked like from my spot

Col D

I think you were sitting behind me CD in the Bradman Stand and from memory it looked that way as well ,I turned to my son and said we cant do that at the time !!
They cant take the points away surely ?

[Punk Rooster]

They cant take the points away surely ?

They should lose the points. Also, they should record Norwood as the winners, with this information being sent post haste to all SANFL tipping competitions, and corrected asap!

[stan]

They cant take the points away surely ?

They should lose the points. Also, they should record Norwood as the winners, with this information being sent post haste to all SANFL tipping competitions, and corrected asap!

Yeah ill back you with that punk, as i only got one this week, damn eagles. All seriousness it was a good game of footy.

[Mickyj]

They cant take the points away surely ?

They should lose the points. Also, they should record Norwood as the winners, with this information being sent post haste to all SANFL tipping competitions, and corrected asap!

Why would it bother you PR your team is a finals shoe in?

[am Bays]

Nah but as a supporter of a club who may be battling for a position in the five come round 23, and we miss out to the Eagles by 2 pts and they brought a player back onto the ground illegally ander the rules of Australian football and the known penalty is loss of points I for one will be p!ssed off!!

Rules are rules, and if the Eagles have broken them knowlingly or inadvertantly they should face the appropriate consequences.

If it can be attributed to an umpiring error/miscommunication well guess who is doing U/17s next week, However, it is the job of the team manager to know those rules though so the Eagles are not blameless if a rule has been broken.

I mean this is a state league competition, arguably the 2nd best in the nation it is not like we are playing an U/12s schoolboys competition...

Over to you Glen Rosser

[Dissident]

They cant take the points away surely ?

They should lose the points. Also, they should record Norwood as the winners, with this information being sent post haste to all SANFL tipping competitions, and corrected asap!

Yeah ill back you with that punk, as i only got one this week, damn eagles. All seriousness it was a good game of footy.

I hope they don't - I got 3!

[Punk Rooster]

They cant take the points away surely ?

They should lose the points. Also, they should record Norwood as the winners, with this information being sent post haste to all SANFL tipping competitions, and corrected asap!

Why would it bother you PR your team is a finals shoe in?

Because I tipped Norwood... sheesh!

[Mickyj]

They cant take the points away surely ?

They should lose the points. Also, they should record Norwood as the winners, with this information being sent post haste to all SANFL tipping competitions, and corrected asap!

Why would it bother you PR your team is a finals shoe in?

Because I tipped Norwood... sheesh!

LOL and I tipped the eagles to win by 1 point !!

[spell_check]

Nah but as a supporter of a club who may be battling for a position in the five come round 23, and we miss out to the Eagles by 2 pts and they brought a player back onto the ground illegally ander the rules of Australian football and the known penalty is loss of points I for one will be p!ssed off!!

Rules are rules, and if the Eagles have broken them knowlingly or inadvertantly they should face the appropriate consequences.

If it can be attributed to an umpiring error/miscommunication well guess who is doing U/17s next week, However, it is the job of the team manager to know those rules though so the Eagles are not blameless if a rule has been broken.

I mean this is a state league competition, arguably the 2nd best in the nation it is not like we are playing an U/12s schoolboys competition...

Over to you Glen Rosser

It's a shame that the clubs and us the public do not know what punishment there is if the rule was deliberately broken. We all know about the 19 men on the field rule, but for everyone on this matter, it's guesswork.

[PhilH]

For The record

According to the Laws of Australian Football

(NB This is the AFL rules issued by the SANFL umpires to the Media at the start of the year ... not 100% certain these rules apply to SANFL but can't see why not.

I have highlighted in bold some interesting points

PART D - PRE MATCH AND MATCH PROVISIONS

7. INTERCHANGE

7.3 USE OF STRETCHER

7.3.2 Procedure

"Where a stretcher is required, the following proceedure shall apply:

(a) upon being advised or noticing that a player requires a stretcher, the field umpire shall stop play at the earliest opportunity and unless a doctor considers or it is apprarent that it is unsafe to do so, the Player MUST be removed from the Arena on the stretcher by the shortest possible route and taken direct to his / her Team's change rooms.

(b) a team may replace the injured player with a player listed on its team sheetm who must enter the Playing surface via the Interchange Area.

(c) the Interchange Steward may allow the Player who is replacing the injured player to enter the Playing Surface before the injured player is removed from the Arena.

(d) Once the injured player has been removed from the Arena, the field umpire shall recommence play by either bouncing the football or allowing a player who had been awarded a Free Kick or a mark at the time play was stopped. to dispose of the football.

(e) A player for whom a stretcher was called shall not resume playing for a perios of 20 minutes (excluding intervals between quarters) from the time when the player left the Arena. After the 20 minute period has expired the Player may be interchanged in accordance with the proccedure set out under Rule 7.2 provided the player is able having due regard to his or her health and safety to resume playing in the match: and

(f) Where a stretcher enters the Arena but the Player elects to walk off, all provisions of law 7.3.2 apply but the player may go through the Interchange Bench."


7.5 - BREACH OF LAW 7

"The Interchange Steward or field Umpire as the case may be (in this case the Steward) shall advise the Controlling Body of any breach of this law 7."

(there is no mention of what the contolling body should do however
Back in 7.2 PROCEEDURE FOR INTERCHANGE there is this

"(f) where a player does not enter the Playing Surface as specific under Law 7.2 (d) the Interchange Steward and/or a field umpire shall report the circumstances to the Controlling Body, including the scores at the time. The Controlling Body may determine the matter by way of fine, reversal of Match result or other sanction as it deems appropriate."


Now I was not there but the following questions beg asking

Did Mackenzie come off on a strecher? (or was a stretcher called & he walked off)
If so did he go direct to the changerooms or sideline ?
How long was he off the field before returning ?

Listening to the match I can't believe he was off for 20 mins making this an interesting situation for the Interchange Steward and the Controlling Body.

Stay Tuned.......

[Wedgie]

Now I was not there but the following questions beg asking

Did Mackenzie come off on a strecher? (or was a stretcher called & he walked off)
If so did he go direct to the changerooms or sideline ?
How long was he off the field before returning ?

Listening to the match I can't believe he was off for 20 mins making this an interesting situation for the Interchange Steward and the Controlling Body.

Stay Tuned.......

Yes he came off on the stretcher.
He went to the sideline.
He was off the field for 2 minutes at the most

Thanks for that Phil, its apparent the rules were breached but the most important factor now is what is the penalty?
I assume something is written down but if not the SANFL will just give a fine I'd think.

[Mickyj]

Now I was not there but the following questions beg asking

Did Mackenzie come off on a strecher? (or was a stretcher called & he walked off)
If so did he go direct to the changerooms or sideline ?
How long was he off the field before returning ?

Listening to the match I can't believe he was off for 20 mins making this an interesting situation for the Interchange Steward and the Controlling Body.

Stay Tuned.......

Yes he came off on the stretcher.
He went to the sideline.
He was off the field for 2 minutes at the most

Thanks for that Phil, its apparent the rules were breached but the most important factor now is what is the penalty?
I assume something is written down but if not the SANFL will just give a fine I'd think.

And the umpire that waved mackenzie back onto the field what should happen to him ?

[Wedgie]

And the umpire that waved mackenzie back onto the field what should happen to him ?

Death

Nothing to do with the umpires.

[Mickyj]

And the umpire that waved mackenzie back onto the field what should happen to him ?

Death

Nothing to do with the umpires.

Wedgie from where I was sitting in the bradman stand the umpire went upto Mackenzie and told him to come on the field waved him on in fact!
So he wont get dropped for a week ?
Hang on this smells like the video stuffed up and nothing will happen moment!