Southern Football League

[One Eyed]

How does James Hannah go from Cove ??

[lion heart]

Anyone see the irony in the articles on pages 6 & 7 of the Messenger?
One article bemoans how Marion Football Club is struggling to field 2 sides this season & right next to it another article spruiking the completion of new clubrooms, pokie auditorium, function rooms, change rooms & lighting for $2.8 mill.

And before you start the old "Well your Morphy Park Club is not much better, no juniors & buying players blah, blah, blah...."
I say this:

Make it 2 divs. we will start in 2nd div. I think it is the way to go too.
Just get off our backs about juniors, as i know first hand how hard Morphies are working on it.
Under 16's this year & 18,s in the near future.

Happy Valley are now expirencing it. Most 17 year olds just don not give a crap about footy anymore.

Agreed on all counts

I think unless this happens soon we are going to lose a few clubs (maybe thats what the SFL wants). OSB/LONS are struggling to compete in div 1 we simply don't have the money/resources for such a strong cut throat comp like the SFL. We've recently lost some of our best local players to big money and replacing them with the same quality is near on impossible.

Gives clubs a chance to rebuild and find a place where they belong weather it be div 1 or 2. Promotion/relegation a must. I don't see too many clubs voting against it other than maybe a couple of middle of the road teams who's ego's may think they are better than div 2. I'm sure making 2 divisions will attract a few teams to the SFL also.

Make it happen SFL

[vics01]

Moe wrote:
Anyone see the irony in the articles on pages 6 & 7 of the Messenger?
One article bemoans how Marion Football Club is struggling to field 2 sides this season & right next to it another article spruiking the completion of new clubrooms, pokie auditorium, function rooms, change rooms & lighting for $2.8 mill.

And before you start the old "Well your Morphy Park Club is not much better, no juniors & buying players blah, blah, blah...."
I say this:

Make it 2 divs. we will start in 2nd div. I think it is the way to go too.
Just get off our backs about juniors, as i know first hand how hard Morphies are working on it.
Under 16's this year & 18,s in the near future.

Happy Valley are now expirencing it. Most 17 year olds just don not give a crap about footy anymore.

FARVA
couldnt agree more moe, now just need a few more clubs to start thinking like that at board level and it might just happen

It is not club boards who need to make this decision, most clubs seem to want to go this way. It is the Old Guard at SFL house which is dead against progress. They seem to think big is better.

or

maybe they are just slowly but surely putting some clubs to the sword

Maybe the clubs need to put it to a vote at the AGM which is coming up

[BFG]

Moe wrote:
Anyone see the irony in the articles on pages 6 & 7 of the Messenger?
One article bemoans how Marion Football Club is struggling to field 2 sides this season & right next to it another article spruiking the completion of new clubrooms, pokie auditorium, function rooms, change rooms & lighting for $2.8 mill.

And before you start the old "Well your Morphy Park Club is not much better, no juniors & buying players blah, blah, blah...."
I say this:

Make it 2 divs. we will start in 2nd div. I think it is the way to go too.
Just get off our backs about juniors, as i know first hand how hard Morphies are working on it.
Under 16's this year & 18,s in the near future.

Happy Valley are now expirencing it. Most 17 year olds just don not give a crap about footy anymore.

FARVA
couldnt agree more moe, now just need a few more clubs to start thinking like that at board level and it might just happen

It is not club boards who need to make this decision, most clubs seem to want to go this way. It is the Old Guard at SFL house which is dead against progress. They seem to think big is better.

or

maybe they are just slowly but surely putting some clubs to the sword

Maybe the clubs need to put it to a vote at the AGM which is coming up

surely they wouldnt intentionally be putting clubs to the sword?
it doesnt take a genius to figure out that two divisions with the same amount of clubs is better financially than having one div with 3 or 4 less clubs in the future

[Hardly_super]

I know its true but why do people think its hard to keep junior footballers?

If you look at any club and see how many players drop out of footy between 14 and 18. Not many clubs turn a good number of their juniors into A grade footballers. It doesnt even seem to be club based. Could a contributing factor be at weaker clubs juniors get sick of losing and at clubs that are stronger with lots to choose from kids get sick of competing for a game each week?
I guess my point is im all for competition but are we going about Junior footy all wrong when it comes to the new Generation? Footy is a great sport for developement socially and personally but do we need to meet them half way?

[Moe]

In my junior days at Morphie Parks we struggled a bit in U/16s (Scraped into finals) Got a few beltings in my 1st year of U/18's then won the Premiership undefeated yhe next year with now fewer than 15 of us also playing at least 1 senior game in A & B grade and i never thought of leaving during the bad times.

My point: 16-17 year olds will do what their mates do, it has always been the same ( in general ). It is about time some of this new generation realise that everything does not get given to them and winning does not come without some hard yakka & some sacrifice. they are mollycoddled for all their junior sporting careers but when the training steps up or more time is taken from their precious social lives then its bye bye sport hello trouble!
Geez i sound old & bitter, but my god, meet them 1/2 way! We as coaches, volunteers & club people have been bringing the line back for so long now, it's no wonder we are nearly going backwards.

Moe out!

[Animus]

Hey Moe,

How is young Hockey settling in down there?

Is his brother going to play & did you get 1 or both the schneider boys from mclaren vale

[Moe]

Hey Moe,

How is young Hockey settling in down there?

Is his brother going to play & did you get 1 or both the schneider boys from mclaren vale

Sorry mate. NFI on all counts.
Only involved in junior development (in a small way too).
I stay well away from all other aspects for personal reasons.

[Hardly_super]

In my junior days at Morphie Parks we struggled a bit in U/16s (Scraped into finals) Got a few beltings in my 1st year of U/18's then won the Premiership undefeated yhe next year with now fewer than 15 of us also playing at least 1 senior game in A & B grade and i never thought of leaving during the bad times.

My point: 16-17 year olds will do what their mates do, it has always been the same ( in general ). It is about time some of this new generation realise that everything does not get given to them and winning does not come without some hard yakka & some sacrifice. they are mollycoddled for all their junior sporting careers but when the training steps up or more time is taken from their precious social lives then its bye bye sport hello trouble!
Geez i sound old & bitter, but my god, meet them 1/2 way! We as coaches, volunteers & club people have been bringing the line back for so long now, it's no wonder we are nearly going backwards.

Moe out!

Hey Moe I hear what your saying im olds chool when it comes to footy too but the older I get the bigger the divide from old school put up and shut up to the new i want it all now generation.

You are right about the hard work but how do you get that message across with out them turning away because it seems too hard!

[Kart Horse]

In my junior days at Morphie Parks we struggled a bit in U/16s (Scraped into finals) Got a few beltings in my 1st year of U/18's then won the Premiership undefeated yhe next year with now fewer than 15 of us also playing at least 1 senior game in A & B grade and i never thought of leaving during the bad times.

My point: 16-17 year olds will do what their mates do, it has always been the same ( in general ). It is about time some of this new generation realise that everything does not get given to them and winning does not come without some hard yakka & some sacrifice. they are mollycoddled for all their junior sporting careers but when the training steps up or more time is taken from their precious social lives then its bye bye sport hello trouble!
Geez i sound old & bitter, but my god, meet them 1/2 way! We as coaches, volunteers & club people have been bringing the line back for so long now, it's no wonder we are nearly going backwards.

Moe out!

Hey Moe I hear what your saying im olds chool when it comes to footy too but the older I get the bigger the divide from old school put up and shut up to the new i want it all now generation.

You are right about the hard work but how do you get that message across with out them turning away because it seems too hard!

This issue is bigger than football and sport.
All young people are now babied all the way through. I dont agree with bullying but come on the extent now they go to. Its the way kids are treated at school if there is somehing a little tough they sook and the schools allow it. When Footy training gets tough they wimp out. The whole Australian culture has changed. Hard work for your rewards has gone and its now who can kick up the biggest stink.
Then there is sex drugs and drinking. There are huge social issues that I feel are also hurting our football clubs.

[reppoh_eht]

Any bidy read this article: http://www.safc.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=131:fuller-wants-locals-to-harden-up&catid=1:panther-news&Itemid=10

Pretty interesting stuff coming from South Adelaide...

[asert]

Biggest problem is the subbies. No scoring all year so that you can have a carnival at the end of the year that comes down to percentage even. They can't tackle even soccer the footy. Then they hit under 14s still wrapped in bubble wrap expected to be young men. We all had contact thru primary school and we kept score and turned out alright. It's a joke

[Specky McGee]

Any bidy read this article: http://www.safc.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=131:fuller-wants-locals-to-harden-up&catid=1:panther-news&Itemid=10

Pretty interesting stuff coming from South Adelaide...

What a hypocrite Ron Fuller is.

In his article I see that he fails to mention the treatment that some of these SFL 'recruits' have been dealt. How about a reigning Best and Fairest from an SFL club that was approached by South Adelaide with the opportunity to play league footy, but only to be turned away because he had been chosen to represent his country in another discipline.

This player had attended all pre-season sessions at South Adelaide, and after being selected for an Australian side decided to inform Ron Fuller that he would be away for 2 weeks as this competition was being held overseas. Fuller's reply to this player was that if you take 2 weeks off you are obviously not commited to the cause, and not to bother coming back!!

IMHO, this had cost South Adelaide a seriousy talented footballer who genuinely wanted to have a crack at playing footy at a higher level. Surely this is an extenuating circumstance that Fuller could have given some lee-way. I'm sure most blokes would jump at the chance to represent their country, rather than have the chance to play for a perennially under-achieving football club!

[Roo Ted]

Here's another interesting article featuring in the Messenger that caught my eye. Front page on the Guardian for all to read - Club in Crisis. Boohoo Marion can't field two sides. Just because you live on Sturt Road opposite the Council chambers and the Sporting Mecca continually gets looked after (see article appropriately added next to their plight in pages 6-7) with a $2.8m, yes $2.8m upgrade to facilities and your struggling to field 2 sides. One of the sporting codes that is supposed to be a strong hold of the complex. Give me a break. Windy City with no atmosphere, no footy photos etc hanging up. It's just a place to kick the footy. The joint has got poker machines FFS, how is it you get funding. Oh that's right opposite the Council chambers.

here's a link to the Guardian in case you don't receive this edition of the Messenger:-
http://digitaledition.messengernews.com.au/

Yes I'm having a whinge about this but bugger me we try hard to get some good publicity to attract kids and players to our club but no we are good enough.

There is more than 1 footy club in the Guardian and Marion Council ditribution area!

[Hardly_super]

Any bidy read this article: http://www.safc.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=131:fuller-wants-locals-to-harden-up&catid=1:panther-news&Itemid=10

Pretty interesting stuff coming from South Adelaide...

What a hypocrite Ron Fuller is.

In his article I see that he fails to mention the treatment that some of these SFL 'recruits' have been dealt. How about a reigning Best and Fairest from an SFL club that was approached by South Adelaide with the opportunity to play league footy, but only to be turned away because he had been chosen to represent his country in another discipline.

This player had attended all pre-season sessions at South Adelaide, and after being selected for an Australian side decided to inform Ron Fuller that he would be away for 2 weeks as this competition was being held overseas. Fuller's reply to this player was that if you take 2 weeks off you are obviously not commited to the cause, and not to bother coming back!!

IMHO, this had cost South Adelaide a seriousy talented footballer who genuinely wanted to have a crack at playing footy at a higher level. Surely this is an extenuating circumstance that Fuller could have given some lee-way. I'm sure most blokes would jump at the chance to represent their country, rather than have the chance to play for a perennially under-achieving football club!

Pretty harsh article considering that these local (SFL) blokes he is refering too would have been working full time trying to get their careers up and running outside of football. Lets face it some people just wont be able to commit at SANFL Level due to the amount of work required. Its all good and well to have a crack at them but if your not looking to be drafted then there is no real money or career in busting your bum on the off chance you may get a league game.

All that aside I do think that people should have a crack and chase their dreams and I do like the SANFL competition. Has Ron tried to blame "local" players commitment for years of bad results??

[qwerty]

Who was it and what sport were hey representing Aus at?

[The Poacher]

Not wishing to complain but I clicked the link and only get last weeks paper, but then again I do use a really old computer, maybe thats the problem.

Here's another interesting article featuring in the Messenger that caught my eye. Front page on the Guardian for all to read - Club in Crisis. Boohoo Marion can't field two sides. Just because you live on Sturt Road opposite the Council chambers and the Sporting Mecca continually gets looked after (see article appropriately added next to their plight in pages 6-7) with a $2.8m, yes $2.8m upgrade to facilities and your struggling to field 2 sides. One of the sporting codes that is supposed to be a strong hold of the complex. Give me a break. Windy City with no atmosphere, no footy photos etc hanging up. It's just a place to kick the footy. The joint has got poker machines FFS, how is it you get funding. Oh that's right opposite the Council chambers.

here's a link to the Guardian in case you don't receive this edition of the Messenger:-
http://digitaledition.messengernews.com.au/

Yes I'm having a whinge about this but bugger me we try hard to get some good publicity to attract kids and players to our club but no we are good enough.

There is more than 1 footy club in the Guardian and Marion Council ditribution area!

[Pommy Git]

Any bidy read this article: http://www.safc.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=131:fuller-wants-locals-to-harden-up&catid=1:panther-news&Itemid=10

Pretty interesting stuff coming from South Adelaide...

What a hypocrite Ron Fuller is.

In his article I see that he fails to mention the treatment that some of these SFL 'recruits' have been dealt. How about a reigning Best and Fairest from an SFL club that was approached by South Adelaide with the opportunity to play league footy, but only to be turned away because he had been chosen to represent his country in another discipline.

This player had attended all pre-season sessions at South Adelaide, and after being selected for an Australian side decided to inform Ron Fuller that he would be away for 2 weeks as this competition was being held overseas. Fuller's reply to this player was that if you take 2 weeks off you are obviously not commited to the cause, and not to bother coming back!!

IMHO, this had cost South Adelaide a seriousy talented footballer who genuinely wanted to have a crack at playing footy at a higher level. Surely this is an extenuating circumstance that Fuller could have given some lee-way. I'm sure most blokes would jump at the chance to represent their country, rather than have the chance to play for a perennially under-achieving football club!

Pretty harsh article considering that these local (SFL) blokes he is refering too would have been working full time trying to get their careers up and running outside of football. Lets face it some people just wont be able to commit at SANFL Level due to the amount of work required. Its all good and well to have a crack at them but if your not looking to be drafted then there is no real money or career in busting your bum on the off chance you may get a league game.

All that aside I do think that people should have a crack and chase their dreams and I do like the SANFL competition. Has Ron tried to blame "local" players commitment for years of bad results??

Fuller has told the players that football is the first priority in life. It comes before family work or school.
One of the local lads got into strife for missing a training session for a grandparent's funeral. He was very close to the grandparent and I believe that it was only the second session that he had missed. The other was for work commitments. He was chastised for this as well. He is not afraid of hard work and is of good strong character. He has a fantastic family who encouraged him to stay at South. Ultimately he left because he just didn't find it at all enjoyable anymore.
This lad is from a club that strongly encourages their players to endeavour to play at the highest level possible.
If SAFC bothered with exit interviews or questionnaires with departing players they may get some insight into the mindset of these disgruntled players.
Fuller looks as thou he should be right at home amongst the rest of the d!ckheads down there.

[Roo Ted]

Not wishing to complain but I clicked the link and only get last weeks paper, but then again I do use a really old computer, maybe thats the problem.

Here's another interesting article featuring in the Messenger that caught my eye. Front page on the Guardian for all to read - Club in Crisis. Boohoo Marion can't field two sides. Just because you live on Sturt Road opposite the Council chambers and the Sporting Mecca continually gets looked after (see article appropriately added next to their plight in pages 6-7) with a $2.8m, yes $2.8m upgrade to facilities and your struggling to field 2 sides. One of the sporting codes that is supposed to be a strong hold of the complex. Give me a break. Windy City with no atmosphere, no footy photos etc hanging up. It's just a place to kick the footy. The joint has got poker machines FFS, how is it you get funding. Oh that's right opposite the Council chambers.

here's a link to the Guardian in case you don't receive this edition of the Messenger:-
http://digitaledition.messengernews.com.au/

Yes I'm having a whinge about this but bugger me we try hard to get some good publicity to attract kids and players to our club but no we are good enough.

There is more than 1 footy club in the Guardian and Marion Council ditribution area!

Looks like it is the only one the Messenger has not updated on their website to this week's edition.

There is part of the articles in the Southern Times edition.

[words of wisdom]

South just dont change. Last year Fuller made his captain play ressies because he was going to miss a few weeks of preo, he was on his honeymoon. Yet i heard that Fuller missed the start of preo this year because he was off on a holiday. Its a cop out by saying theres no talent in the south zone or clubs arent pushing there players to south. Who continues to win the zone carnivals? Clubs would be stupid not to encourage players to reach the highest level.