1973 v 1985 premiership teams....which is better ?

[bayman]

firstly apologies if this has come up before

so which team would be the better glenelg team if they played each other at their prime ?


i'd think the 1985 team would be given the fact that many of that team ended up playing either or all of state of origin footy, vfl/afl etc, mind you not too many (compared to the 1980's) ventured over the border i the early 1970's


so which team was better ?

[Adelaide Hawk]

1973
Coach: Neil Kerley
F: Cornes, D.Phillis, Voigt
HF: Caldwell, Carey, Wickens
C: Millard, Hamilton, MacFarlane
HB: Hywood, W.Phillis, Colbey
B: Rawson, Anderson, Tregenza
Ruck: Tardif, Marker, Bennett
Int: Sandland, Marriott

1985
Coach: Graham Cornes
F: Carey, Garton, McGuinness
HF: Copping, S.Kernahan, Marshall
C: D.Kernahan, A.Stringer, Symonds
HB: W.Stringer, Seebohm, Hall
B: Gibbs, Duthy, Murphy
Ruck: Henwood, Maynard, McDermott
Int: Kidney, Salisbury

[Pseudo]

Whichever team drew the short straw and had to wear the gold guernseys would lose.

But seriously - relative to the standard of competition in their day, I think the '73 team had it all over '85 (not that I have first-hand memory of 1973). However I think head-to-head the '85 team would win, largely because of the style of game they played.

Would be a cracking contest either way.

[Adelaide Hawk]

I lean towards the 1973 team, purely based on the fact they were awesome throughout the entire season, losing only 1 game.

[stampy]

agree AH i reckon the '73 team would be superior to the 85 side, my dad worked at uniroyal/bridgestone at the time and there were a lot of sturt fans there and i remember one came over our house the week after richmond had knocked us off and he was livid that we hadnt won the COA as he thought we were the best team in australia that year bloody gold guernseys and sheedy stitching up cornsey and marker, the bays then went the knuckle and richmond played footy during the 2nd qtr, lost by 15pts in the end with the same amount of scoring shots, being 10 at the time it left a big impression on me, i had followed richmond in the vfl up until that time but gave them the flick after that game as i thought they were dirty bastards, remember going on the monday and yelling my guts out for subi but to no avail

[Dog_ger]

As much as I would like to say the '73 team I cannot.

I would prefer to say our great game has developed over the years.

We are talking 12 years guys. Perhaps a different era.

The '85 team would win by at least 7 goals.

Carey, Kernahan, McDermott, McGuinness, Maynard, Salisbury, Murphy, Duthy, Gibbs, Stringer x 2, Symonds.

The list goes on.

[nolongerthere]

I would say the 1973 side was better, lost one game all season, that was to North Adelaide 14.16 to 8.23 from memory, i was about 14 or 15 that year and went to all the Bays games, they had a great all round side, fav player was Kerry Hamilton who i think played in the Centre, they had a great ability to smash sides back then, played one of the greatest Grand Finals i can remember.

Cheers
Mark

[Wedgie]

73 side definitely. They beat the team that were previously the Champions of Australia and battle hardened Premiership players and also had the greatest player of all time where the 85 team beat the team who had hardly played finals in previous seasons.
Carey and Voight for the Bays and Hammond for North were amazing in the 73 GF.

Anyone got copies of the 2 sides they beat?

[robranisgod]

73 side definitely. They beat the team that were previously the Champions of Australia and battle hardened Premiership players and also had the greatest player of all time where the 85 team beat the team who had hardly played finals in previous seasons.
Carey and Voight for the Bays and Hammond for North were amazing in the 73 GF.

Anyone got copies of the 2 sides they beat?

North 1973 :

Fwds : Hearl D Sachse Marsh
H/F : Plummer B Robran R Robran
Centre : Phillips D Burns B Stringer
H/B : Howard N Sachse Mumford
Backs : Robinson Hammond Spry

1st Ruck : Sporn
C Payne
von Bertouch

19th Rebbeck
20th Collins

The 1985 side :

Fwds : Parsons Brearley Hart
H/F : Sanders Bennett Robertson
Centre : Campbell A Jarman B Phillips
H/B : J Riley Wildy Armfield
Backs : S Riley Arnold Hay

1st Ruck :
Redden
Tiller
Antrobus

Interchange :
T Hill
Zoontjens

[Wedgie]

God that's right, Brearley at FF.
He was a good reserves player.

[robranisgod]

God that's right, Brearley at FF.
He was a good reserves player.

Yes, he replaced Grenville who was caught drinking at the Preliminary final team meeting. I don't think that it made the difference in the end. How Nunan could have chosed Zoontjens in front of Kim Klomp is another minor mystery. Brearley actually kicked two goals in the GF which is 2 more than we expected.

[on the rails]

God that's right, Brearley at FF.
He was a good reserves player.

Yes, he replaced Grenville who was caught drinking at the Preliminary final team meeting. I don't think that it made the difference in the end. How Nunan could have chosed Zoontjens in front of Kim Klomp is another minor mystery. Brearley actually kicked two goals in the GF which is 2 more than we expected.

We had our chances in that first half. It all changed when Robbo bounced the ball back over his head heading towards goal when we were 4 goals up (or thereabouts) in the second quarter from memory? They took it down and scored and the whole tide turned so to speak. Also didn't help losing Wildy in that altercation with Kernahan.

[robranisgod]

God that's right, Brearley at FF.
He was a good reserves player.

Yes, he replaced Grenville who was caught drinking at the Preliminary final team meeting. I don't think that it made the difference in the end. How Nunan could have chosed Zoontjens in front of Kim Klomp is another minor mystery. Brearley actually kicked two goals in the GF which is 2 more than we expected.

We had our chances in that first half. It all changed when Robbo bounced the ball back over his head heading towards goal when we were 4 goals up (or thereabouts) in the second quarter from memory? They took it down and scored and the whole tide turned so to speak. Also didn't help losing Wildy in that altercation with Kernahan.

I agree the Robbo incident changed the whole game. I thought we were gone at half time and losing Wildy just blew out the result. Given the respective teams I thought we did very well to lead the Bays by 5 goals at one stage and to have our chances in the game. We certainly had a better team in 1986 and that effort remains one of the biggest disappointments of my life.

[Magpiespower]

Zoontjens

Must surely hold the world record for being named 'emergency'...

[tigerpie]

i witnessed the kernas square up through binoculars as it was obvious that he was going to belt him....and he did!!!

that was the best square up ive seen to this day.wildy made the error in belting kernas earlier in the game and not knocking him out.

those were the days!!!

fair result would be a draw between 73 and 85. two very very good TEAMS!!!

[GWW]

I was using the binoculars at one stage (although admittedly i don't know if it was 85, 86 or 87 as all those 3 games have tended to blend into 1!!) and noticed Grenvold giving his North opponent a sly jab.

[stampy]

God that's right, Brearley at FF.
He was a good reserves player.

Yes, he replaced Grenville who was caught drinking at the Preliminary final team meeting. I don't think that it made the difference in the end. How Nunan could have chosed Zoontjens in front of Kim Klomp is another minor mystery. Brearley actually kicked two goals in the GF which is 2 more than we expected.

We had our chances in that first half. It all changed when Robbo bounced the ball back over his head heading towards goal when we were 4 goals up (or thereabouts) in the second quarter from memory? They took it down and scored and the whole tide turned so to speak. Also didn't help losing Wildy in that altercation with Kernahan.

I agree the Robbo incident changed the whole game. I thought we were gone at half time and losing Wildy just blew out the result. Given the respective teams I thought we did very well to lead the Bays by 5 goals at one stage and to have our chances in the game. We certainly had a better team in 1986 and that effort remains one of the biggest disappointments of my life.

behind 89 i take it

[Hondo]

My memory of 85 was also that the Robbo fumble swung the game but when I re-watched the game last year there wasn't the instant momentum swing that I recalled. We still had the run of play for a while after that it seemed me of a slow change in the momentum over the later stages of the second quarter but moreso it was a dominant second half by the Bays. It seemed like what Robbo did or didn't do in that incident didn't really matter to the end result even though my memory had always been that it was a game turner.

I didn't see any of the 73 side so can't comment on the thread question other than to say I rate the 85 Bay side as one of the best I have seen (that means 1980 onwards).

[robranisgod]

behind 89 i take it

No, 1986 hurt a lot more. I went to the game expecting to win and got murdered. In 1989 I went to the game expecting to be killed and that what happened. Actually 1973 is the game that hurts me the most to this day. I thought we were invincible in big ggames at that stage and to get so close then lose hurt me very, very much.

[GWW]

Why did you expect North to get killed in '89? From memory it was seen as a 50/50 game by the media and general football supporting public.