NBN

[Wedgie]

Dunno about being cheaper, I'd rather pay $70pm for 200gb at the speeds I get now than pay 40 billion dollars for zero GB at zero speed.

[dedja]

What can you do with the NBN that I cant do on my 4G mobile connection?

My household will go through 60-80Gb per month, a figure that cannot be provided by mobile data, primarily due to cost.

Also, ADSL technology provides large downloads in comparison to uploads. Typically you'll only get uploads of 256Kb-384Kb up to maybe a max of 1Mb.

For a whole range of uses, this is totally inadequate.

I cannot do a decent Skype or Facetime call at home due to this fact alone.

Extraordinary amount of money to spend, so you can do a "decent" Skype and Facetime session!

Thanks for the patronising reply.

3 Kids doing internet school research, media downloads, no ability to perform offline cloud data backups, I can't run my business, etc in addition to the above.

The last 2 skype calls were for medical reasons and both were over 1 hour duration. One was for a medical advice from an overseas specialist on a terminal illness for a family member, the other so that the interstate specialist could treat a family member remotely. Both those calls saved thousand of dollars and more importantly saved time.

Cheers ...

[dedja]

you forgot to mention that their plan to buy the copper network is only necessary in their plan because they sold it years ago.....


because it was old and outdated then......


but is somehow good to go now.....

LOL, good point ... because they think that they can score some political points since in their eyes most people are noobs and dumbing everything down is good for us.

Also, Fibre To The Node (FTTN) is already here (not everywhere of course), and look at the atrocious service that is currently provided. I have FTTN but have a crap service because of ADSL technology over copper, and the inability of the monopoly wholesaler to allow competition on their network. Telstra will want a small fortune for this access, something that the Coalition have severely downplayed.

[Sky Pilot]

I think the NBN is a good idea but as all of Labor's projects it is over priced, over designed, under achieving installation-wise. Why should generations of Aussies be saddled with. $90bn debt so a few in the community can play faster games or download movies at a better speed etc?

[Baron Greenback]

My internet is fast enough, I don't think spending a potential $90 billion is justified.
Just make sure people in rural areas have decent internet and spend the money on hospitals or schools.

[Mr Beefy]

My internet is fast enough, I don't think spending a potential $90 billion is justified.
Just make sure people in rural areas have decent internet and spend the money on hospitals or schools.

Rather than make those people in rural areas come to the big smoke to go to the hospital they will be able to use the NBN and eHealth applications to get their treatment/advice.

[Sky Pilot]

My internet is fast enough, I don't think spending a potential $90 billion is justified.
Just make sure people in rural areas have decent internet and spend the money on hospitals or schools.

Rather than make those people in rural areas come to the big smoke to go to the hospital they will be able to use the NBN and eHealth applications to get their treatment/advice.

I've spoken to my GP and to two specialists up here in the Country who reckon their current speeds are good enough for medical use right now. As one said to me, if it is going to cost $40bn-plus to allow me to send complex data files and images to Adelaide or London in 11seconds instead of 22 seconds then it is questionable. He also said current Skype speeds are well within satisfactory limits even in life saving situations.

[Banker]

What can you do with the NBN that I cant do on my 4G mobile connection?

My household will go through 60-80Gb per month, a figure that cannot be provided by mobile data, primarily due to cost.

Also, ADSL technology provides large downloads in comparison to uploads. Typically you'll only get uploads of 256Kb-384Kb up to maybe a max of 1Mb.

For a whole range of uses, this is totally inadequate.

I cannot do a decent Skype or Facetime call at home due to this fact alone.

Extraordinary amount of money to spend, so you can do a "decent" Skype and Facetime session!

Thanks for the patronising reply.


3 Kids doing internet school research, media downloads, no ability to perform offline cloud data backups, I can't run my business, etc in addition to the above.

The last 2 skype calls were for medical reasons and both were over 1 hour duration. One was for a medical advice from an overseas specialist on a terminal illness for a family member, the other so that the interstate specialist could treat a family member remotely. Both those calls saved thousand of dollars and more importantly saved time.

Cheers ...

So how will the NBN increase this service?

How many hospitals can you get for 40 billion?

[dedja]

It won't be a net cost to the taxpayer ... It generates ongoing revenue, when its fully up and running, lots of it.

Telstra have made squillions from their copper network.

[Dissident]

The NBN will make everything we do now faster and more reliable

But there are uses for it that will arise because of this speed.
Delivering video at a far higher rate, etc.

People are looking at the NBN (or any faster network) as "how will it help me" when the other benefits are massive, whether it be video conferencing, education, telehealth

[Wedgie]

Nice posts guys. And if we all wish hard enough we can fly to Never Land too!

[Banker]

Delivering video at a far higher rate, etc.

That's all i'm getting?

Skype works fine right now on 3G wireless.

[Dissident]

Delivering video at a far higher rate, etc.

That's all i'm getting?

Skype works fine right now on 3G wireless.

Video at a higher rate has wider benefits than you using Skype.
Would be nice to have some HD streaming for pay-TV - and be able to watch more than one thing at once.

But as I said, it's not just a consumer framework.
Delivering media is more than just Skype

[Banker]

So over 10% of our taxes are being spent on upgrading video chat to HD.


I'd rather 40 hospitals thanks.

[Dissident]

I said video.
Not video chat.

[Dissident]

Also, don't get me wrong. It's stupidly expensive and blown out.
I'm not saying I support the current project, it's policies, or cost.

I'm talking purely from the point of view that our current infrastructure is horribly archaic.
It stunts what we could do and what we could offer.

[dedja]

So over 10% of our taxes are being spent on upgrading video chat to HD.


I'd rather 40 hospitals thanks.

What part of it will generate shit loads of revenue don't you understand?

Telstra currently charges most residential customers $30 per month just for the privilege to have services on their very old and crappy copper network. Every month, think about how much revenue that is before any services are delivered.

[Squids]

Shitloads of revenue in $ terms but shit in terms of roi.

[dedja]

Maybe, but clearly it will cost far less than $45B over the 10-15 years to complete, as revenue will come in to offset (exactly to what extent is debatable) the capital cost to construct.

Also, ROI is only one aspect of the benefit ...

[Dissident]

ROI is every aspect, when the R doesn't just refer to monetary profit