Brodlach wrote:I think you have sold Johnathon Brown so short Morrell. In my 47 years of watching footy I rate him as one of the best players I have seen. Because he played up in Brisbane too many people dismiss what he did. If he played in SA or Victoria he would be lauded as a pure champion of the game
And I don't support Brisbane
You may very well, but I would suggest that is because of a few moments of gutsy efforts, a personal liking towards a personality type/playing style - rather than an overall body of work.
Dismiss what he did? What exactly did he do? His record is really not that impressive when you factor in the teams he played in and the roles that he had.
It's a bit like people frothing over Glen Archer - who was in all reality a limited footballer. Boy he was tough though
Brodlach wrote:I think you have sold Johnathon Brown so short Morrell. In my 47 years of watching footy I rate him as one of the best players I have seen. Because he played up in Brisbane too many people dismiss what he did. If he played in SA or Victoria he would be lauded as a pure champion of the game
And I don't support Brisbane
You may very well, but I would suggest that is because of a few moments of gutsy efforts, a personal liking towards a personality type/playing style - rather than an overall body of work.
Dismiss what he did? What exactly did he do? His record is really not that impressive when you factor in the teams he played in and the roles that he had.
It's a bit like people frothing over Glen Archer - who was in all reality a limited footballer. Boy he was tough though
C'mon mate now we know you are taking the p*ss. Not that impressive?
And Archer was limited? C'mon man............
There are no stupid questions, just stupid people.
Brodlach wrote:I think you have sold Johnathon Brown so short Morrell. In my 47 years of watching footy I rate him as one of the best players I have seen. Because he played up in Brisbane too many people dismiss what he did. If he played in SA or Victoria he would be lauded as a pure champion of the game
And I don't support Brisbane
You may very well, but I would suggest that is because of a few moments of gutsy efforts, a personal liking towards a personality type/playing style - rather than an overall body of work.
Dismiss what he did? What exactly did he do? His record is really not that impressive when you factor in the teams he played in and the roles that he had.
It's a bit like people frothing over Glen Archer - who was in all reality a limited footballer. Boy he was tough though
C'mon mate now we know you are taking the p*ss. Not that impressive?
And Archer was limited? C'mon man............
Not that impressive, as an individual player, compared to the very elite, no.
Archer was limited! Great defender, courageous to a fault. Not very good skills and was dumb as a post.
Your post just confirms what I am saying. If a player is seen as tough and courageous and a "good bloke" we massively overrate their output as footballers.
Brodlach wrote:I think you have sold Johnathon Brown so short Morrell. In my 47 years of watching footy I rate him as one of the best players I have seen. Because he played up in Brisbane too many people dismiss what he did. If he played in SA or Victoria he would be lauded as a pure champion of the game
And I don't support Brisbane
You may very well, but I would suggest that is because of a few moments of gutsy efforts, a personal liking towards a personality type/playing style - rather than an overall body of work.
Dismiss what he did? What exactly did he do? His record is really not that impressive when you factor in the teams he played in and the roles that he had.
It's a bit like people frothing over Glen Archer - who was in all reality a limited footballer. Boy he was tough though
C'mon mate now we know you are taking the p*ss. Not that impressive?
And Archer was limited? C'mon man............
Not that impressive compared to the very elite, no.
Archer was limited! Great defender, courageous to a fault. Not very good skills and was dumb as a post.
Your post just confirms what I am saying. If a player is seen as tough and courageous and a "good bloke" we massively overrate their output as footballers.
Only one shinboner of the century though
There are no stupid questions, just stupid people.
morell wrote:It's a bit like people frothing over Glen Archer - who was in all reality a limited footballer. Boy he was tough though
All Australian, AFL Hall of Fame inductee, 311 games for the most dominant team of the 90's, widely regarded as on of the most courageous players seen. All this as a limited footballer...
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morell wrote:It's a bit like people frothing over Glen Archer - who was in all reality a limited footballer. Boy he was tough though
All Australian, AFL Hall of Fame inductee, 311 games for the most dominant team of the 90's, widely regarded as on of the most courageous players seen. All this as a limited footballer...
And he played out of his weight category nearly all those 311 games as well.
There are no stupid questions, just stupid people.
Yep. Amazing that he was able to do that considering his limitations. He wasn't that tall or quick and had relatively ordinary skills. He is perhaps the most highly romanticised player of all time. Brown next.
Archer is a champion of the game, don't get me wrong, but ... he is another example of us as footballs fans putting tough or courageous footballers on a higher pedestal than perhaps they deserve. Paul Kelly another one - bloke could barely kick a drop punt. There are a myriad of them.
Port do it too. Michael Wilson being our equivalent.
My different ideas come from not growing up with AFL - I question all of our "known truths" and it makes people perplexed.
Brown takes a courageous gutsy mark and everyone gets all excited. But ultimately... it still just counts as one mark. If another player takes two standard contested marks that aren't as courageous. That player is better.
Same thing for Archer. He might do one incredibly tough spoil running back with the flight and break a rib. But if another player keeps his opposition goalless and gets 20 touches of quality for his team. That player is the better player.
We overrate courage when assessing players. In a nutshell.
My different ideas come from not growing up with AFL - I question all of our "known truths" and it makes people perplexed.
Brown takes a courageous gutsy mark and everyone gets all excited. But ultimately... it still just counts as one mark. If another player takes two standard contested marks that aren't as courageous. That player is better.
Same thing for Archer. He might do one incredibly tough spoil running back with the flight and break a rib. But if another player keeps his opposition goalless and gets 20 touches of quality for his team. That player is the better player.
We overrate courage when assessing players. In a nutshell.
High disposal count doesn't make you a great player. Sure it helps but it's not everything.
Kane Cornes anyone?
There are no stupid questions, just stupid people.
My different ideas come from not growing up with AFL - I question all of our "known truths" and it makes people perplexed.
Brown takes a courageous gutsy mark and everyone gets all excited. But ultimately... it still just counts as one mark. If another player takes two standard contested marks that aren't as courageous. That player is better.
Same thing for Archer. He might do one incredibly tough spoil running back with the flight and break a rib. But if another player keeps his opposition goalless and gets 20 touches of quality for his team. That player is the better player.
We overrate courage when assessing players. In a nutshell.
High disposal count doesn't make you a great player. Sure it helps but it's not everything.
Kane Cornes anyone?
Oh I agree.
Being courageous doesn't make you a great player either.
To be clear. Glen Archer is a great player. I suspect ya'll are not picking up what I'm putting down.
Running back with the flight of the ball, courageous acts, gutsy marks... Theses things LIFT your team mates around you. Because there isn't a stat for this, you want to gloss over it?
2017 safooty NFL tipping champ 2024 champ, Spargo’s Good Friday Cup @ Ascot
My different ideas come from not growing up with AFL - I question all of our "known truths" and it makes people perplexed.
Brown takes a courageous gutsy mark and everyone gets all excited. But ultimately... it still just counts as one mark. If another player takes two standard contested marks that aren't as courageous. That player is better.
Same thing for Archer. He might do one incredibly tough spoil running back with the flight and break a rib. But if another player keeps his opposition goalless and gets 20 touches of quality for his team. That player is the better player.
We overrate courage when assessing players. In a nutshell.
High disposal count doesn't make you a great player. Sure it helps but it's not everything.
Kane Cornes anyone?
Oh I agree.
Being courageous doesn't make you a great player either.
To be clear. Glen Archer is a great player. I suspect ya'll are not picking up what I'm putting down.
No, you said he was a limited footballer.
2017 safooty NFL tipping champ 2024 champ, Spargo’s Good Friday Cup @ Ascot
Spargo wrote:Running back with the flight of the ball, courageous acts, gutsy marks... Theses things LIFT your team mates around you. Because there isn't a stat for this, you want to gloss over it?
I think he wants reactions and that's what he's getting. Good to see Scarlett and Enright in there. They're lock ins for the greatest team of all time IMO.
So you've seen everything have you? Yep Have you ever seen a man eat his own head? No Well you haven't seen everything then have you.
Spargo wrote:Running back with the flight of the ball, courageous acts, gutsy marks... Theses things LIFT your team mates around you. Because there isn't a stat for this, you want to gloss over it?
I actually agree with Morrell. Archer was able to get everything out of his ability. Very good player/clubman etc and i'd love to play with him but he wasn't an elite footballer. Also picking Tredrea over Brown. Tredrea early 2000's were amazing. Brown could probably dominate a single game better but Tredrea was so much more consistent.
