HFL Division 1 (Central)

[Dutchy]

What does the u18 comp look like in 2021? Similar to this year or back to 2 divs?

As for the merger talk, Ive always admired the small southern hills towns who have stand alone footy clubs, but they must battle hard every year with numbers and being so close to each other. Ironbank, Kangarilla, Meadows, Maccy, Echunga. Not only are they close together but they are close to other leagues.

[TooNice]

I feel that Sunday works well for the HFLW. A number of those players still play women's sports such as netball, and the Sunday slot allows them to play both. HFLW is working VERY well in the hills at the moment and is growing in participation, with a lot of spectators watching on a Sunday arvo with a beer or two. Putting the Women into the Saturday slot would also leave Girls football (which currently is mostly played Sunday as well) hanging out on a limb.
Building on comments you have put forward, it seems to me that Country Division sides (who always have the two senior teams - just missing juniors basically) could host a lot of the modified junior football that is played on Friday nights, rather than your suggestion of HFLW. No doubt there would be programming challenges with that though. This may be an alternative to the idea of trying to have all players in one comp. Certainly, allowing a tier 2 level comp to exist saves repeating the error of 1983, when there were many extremely one sided games.

[BurntToast]

OK now the season is over, Im just going to start the conversation about the divisions and junior comps. This is to promote some discussion;

The league announce that as of 2023 (this gives clubs 2 years to get it done) there will be only 1 x division with a minium requirement to field As, Bs, 18s, 16s.
The 14s and under age groups are not mandatory and will be a comp run on seperate days/nights
The league with support of the SACFL provides Div 2 clubs financial assistance for mergers to occur, those clubs that merge will get a 10% increase in salary cap for 2 x years and 4 extra APPs per year for 2 years and $1 for $1 to replace guernseys across all 4 x Div 1 teams.
The Senior womens footy games where possible play on Saturday game day between the 18s and Reserves
Any clubs with an excess of players in any grade are fielded in an extra comp open to all clubs in the HFL, if there is not enough teams then clubs can field these teams in a metro comp (clubs cant field a metro comp team if there is a comp available in the Hills).
The C Grade can continue if there is excess senior numbers.

If any club doesnt want to take up the opportunity in a Div 1 comp they play elsewhere in another league or they with any other Div 2 clubs that dont want to join start up a Hills Independant league, so basically come up to Div 1 level, merge or go elsewhere.

Again, just trying to start a conversation to get peoples ideas, not saying this is the answer, but all our brains put together will surely have something positive to contribute.

One thing that cannot be mucked around with is Div 1 comp. We need to lift teams up to this level not bring Div 1 down.

Merging clubs is a sign of the times, a club disappaering altogether is the worst outcome. At least with a merger each club brings their history to the new club. Emotions need to be put aside and either merge or they will fold and be lost forever.

Let the discussion begin. Its more appropriate to offer up in your comments ideas to improve the comp, dont just bag my ideas without an alternate solution

Personally I think a single division competition is the best way to approach the future for the HFL. A single division with 12 - 14 teams would benefit the league as whole in both the senior and in particular the junior grades. To accomplish this it obviously means the culling of some clubs. Whether that be mergers, folding or moving to another league. There are some proud small clubs in both divisions, and convincing them to do so (if that’s even possible) would be a mammoth task.

[wazzal77]

Good comments on the womens staying on a Sunday, was a suggestion to give them more air time but if Sundays are working agree to leave them alone.
The issues of 1983 with one sided games would certainly exist today if the less competitive Div 2 clubs didnt merge, and they still may exist with a merger, but with a larger pool of resources as far as numbers of players and finance would it make it less of an issue?
The alternative is leave Div 1 alone altogether and enforce the mandatory number of teams required to compete and let Div 2 sort out a comp that suits those clubs and be 'independant' so that Div 1 clubs cant vote on their issues and Div 2 Clubs cant vote on Div 1 issues.

[B&F]

Ask the SFL how that 1 division is working for them now... A lot of clubs from SFL each year apply to move to another League and not just those at the bottom, they had a strong league with 2 Divisions and went to 1 and that's where clubs left and is not clubs that are at risk of folding its potentially the league if clubs continue to disappear to other leagues.

In my opinion there needs a President and head of the league but then 2 sub committees to look after both leagues with different priorities and issues that need addressed. As we have clubs in the Top end which are quiet financially sound and set up with money to spend to import players and retain local talent however they still struggle to attack the full compliment of juniors which means the League's brand and sometimes clubs brand have taken a hit and this needs to be worked on to attract players back to the competition as a feeder for SANFL and Senior footy. Then there are the smaller community clubs which are very well run and are financially operational and need to get their junior systems back to a 17.5's and a 15.5s comp as it will help strengthen the comp and grow again. Funny enough all clubs in both division have at times gone through the different Divisions... wonder if the merger talk would be so popular if it was Lobethal and Onka's being forced to combine along with Mt Barker & Hahndorf - some will tell me that will never happen but all have been rock bottom before.

Promotion - Relegation needs to be looked at and what it takes to take the step up - Bridgewater are currently in the worst spot to take the step up but in a decision made for the competition its been agreed upon. Unsure if they still have the clear path for clubs that want to progress to the higher division to achieve this and also if there are minimum requirements and clubs in Division 1 cannot comply with them for 2 years running (given that clubs will every now and again have an off year) they need to be relegated.

[shoe boy]

B&F,
Has your club or clubs been approached regarding a divisional competition based on Hills div 1&2 Southern & Great Southern gaining legs for a 2022 start.

I believe Clubs are being approached directly with expression of interest required, The current leagues would still have a stake hold in Sunday program's with a formation of a controlling executive to run the competition as a whole.

[cracka]

B&F,
Has your club or clubs been approached regarding a divisional competition based on Hills div 1&2 Southern & Great Southern gaining legs for a 2022 start.

I believe Clubs are being approached directly with expression of interest required, The current leagues would still have a stake hold in Sunday program's with a formation of a controlling executive to run the competition as a whole.

Been talked about for a while on here but not from anyone on the board of the 3 leagues that I'm aware of. Is this just that again or you know more. Does Netball still follow the footy in GSFL.

[shoe boy]

B&F,
Has your club or clubs been approached regarding a divisional competition based on Hills div 1&2 Southern & Great Southern gaining legs for a 2022 start.

I believe Clubs are being approached directly with expression of interest required, The current leagues would still have a stake hold in Sunday program's with a formation of a controlling executive to run the competition as a whole.

Been talked about for a while on here but not from anyone on the board of the 3 leagues that I'm aware of. Is this just that again or you know more. Does Netball still follow the footy in GSFL.

I believe communication is with Clubs directly only at this stage.

[ol man emu]

The Morphett Vale Football Club is one of the oldest football clubs in the Southern Football League. We have just reappointed our A Grade Coach Braden Bayly, and are now looking to fill all remaining grades to take on Season 2021. We are looking for Saturday Competition Coaches for B Grade, U17.5, U15 & U13. Sunday U14 Girls, U17 Girls and A Grade Ladies, along with Mini's U8, U10 & U12 and an Auskick Co-ordinator.
We are looking for enthusiastic Coaches with a minimum Foundation Coaching accreditation (or prepared to attain their accreditation) with a passion for coaching and a strength in effective communication.
Please email your application to the email address within this notice.
Applications Close 5pm Monday 12th October, 2020

[Number7]

The Morphett Vale Football Club is one of the oldest football clubs in the Southern Football League. We have just reappointed our A Grade Coach Braden Bayly, and are now looking to fill all remaining grades to take on Season 2021. We are looking for Saturday Competition Coaches for B Grade, U17.5, U15 & U13. Sunday U14 Girls, U17 Girls and A Grade Ladies, along with Mini's U8, U10 & U12 and an Auskick Co-ordinator.
We are looking for enthusiastic Coaches with a minimum Foundation Coaching accreditation (or prepared to attain their accreditation) with a passion for coaching and a strength in effective communication.
Please email your application to the email address within this notice.
Applications Close 5pm Monday 12th October, 2020

Hey "ol man emu" you want to include the email address, and post in the Position Vacant thread

[Under_Scrutiny]

Ask the SFL how that 1 division is working for them now... A lot of clubs from SFL each year apply to move to another League and not just those at the bottom, they had a strong league with 2 Divisions and went to 1 and that's where clubs left and is not clubs that are at risk of folding its potentially the league if clubs continue to disappear to other leagues.

In my opinion there needs a President and head of the league but then 2 sub committees to look after both leagues with different priorities and issues that need addressed. As we have clubs in the Top end which are quiet financially sound and set up with money to spend to import players and retain local talent however they still struggle to attack the full compliment of juniors which means the League's brand and sometimes clubs brand have taken a hit and this needs to be worked on to attract players back to the competition as a feeder for SANFL and Senior footy. Then there are the smaller community clubs which are very well run and are financially operational and need to get their junior systems back to a 17.5's and a 15.5s comp as it will help strengthen the comp and grow again. Funny enough all clubs in both division have at times gone through the different Divisions... wonder if the merger talk would be so popular if it was Lobethal and Onka's being forced to combine along with Mt Barker & Hahndorf - some will tell me that will never happen but all have been rock bottom before.

Promotion - Relegation needs to be looked at and what it takes to take the step up - Bridgewater are currently in the worst spot to take the step up but in a decision made for the competition its been agreed upon. Unsure if they still have the clear path for clubs that want to progress to the higher division to achieve this and also if there are minimum requirements and clubs in Division 1 cannot comply with them for 2 years running (given that clubs will every now and again have an off year) they need to be relegated.

Agree with this. Southern Football League been turned into a basket case since the closure of their Division 2 competition. Why fold or merger Clubs that are their towns escape for the day, just for the sake of strengthening the competition. Hills Central already arguably has the title as strongest Country Footy competition without merging towns to produce more super clubs. Juniors been an issue in the Hills for a while now since they made the competition with so many different age brackets. Now the bigger towns pillage the smaller towns numbers just to fill up all the age requirements.

[meanderman]

How will clubs go abiding with the reduced salary cap??

[daysofourlives]

How will clubs go abiding with the reduced salary cap??

Lol what salary cap. It just makes the CFL feel good about themselves

[TooNice]

Good comments on the womens staying on a Sunday, was a suggestion to give them more air time but if Sundays are working agree to leave them alone.
The issues of 1983 with one sided games would certainly exist today if the less competitive Div 2 clubs didnt merge, and they still may exist with a merger, but with a larger pool of resources as far as numbers of players and finance would it make it less of an issue?
The alternative is leave Div 1 alone altogether and enforce the mandatory number of teams required to compete and let Div 2 sort out a comp that suits those clubs and be 'independant' so that Div 1 clubs cant vote on their issues and Div 2 Clubs cant vote on Div 1 issues.

Another possible idea is that often Div 2 has a couple of clubs that have very good seniors, but can not carry on to Div 1 as they are missing juniors. Maybe those two top 2 Div 2 clubs field senior teams in Div 1, and the juniors are backfilled by the whole of Div2. The rest of Div 2 could run a seniors comp (which was virtually the case in 2020 anyway) The Div 2 clubs that manage to field the most juniors, could be the ones that manage the juniors from that region from their town. Eg Birdwood might field 15 U18 players, and the rest come from Kersbrook / Gumeracha, so Birdwood would get the gig for managing that junior team, but might be linked to Bridgewater who have one of the senior teams from Div 2.
Just thinking out aloud and trying not to confuse myself here!

[shoe boy]

How many Div 1 clubs field junior sides?

[glenmish]

How many Div 1 clubs field junior sides?

Lobethal didn't field a senior colts team and Echunga didn't field a junior colts team.

[Keefy]

How many Div 1 clubs field junior sides?

Lobethal didn't field a senior colts team and Echunga didn't field a junior colts team.

Most weeks Echunga were lucky to fill their Senior Colts

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[TheBull]

How many Div 1 clubs field junior sides?

Lobethal didn't field a senior colts team and Echunga didn't field a junior colts team.

Most weeks Echunga were lucky to fill their Senior Colts

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Their B grade was the only side getting filled weekly. Big line up to get into that side.

[Bluedemon]

How many Div 1 clubs field junior sides?

Lobethal didn't field a senior colts team and Echunga didn't field a junior colts team.

Most weeks Echunga were lucky to fill their Senior Colts

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Their B grade was the only side getting filled weekly. Big line up to get into that side.

And they lost the Grand Final

[jake the snake]

Sam Miles appointed A grade coach at Bridgey as they re enter div one