Ashes 2023

[Lightning McQueen]

Cummins gets Root. Not a tabloid headline.

3/41

Well let’s invent one

[daysofourlives]

thats a joke, its out every day of the week. Erasmus is a joke

[Lightning McQueen]

thats a joke, its out every day of the week. Erasmus is a joke

Incredible, I could understand if there was a juggle or something

[locky801]

4/114 at stumps

Game far from over here

Duckett 50*
Stokes 29*

Been 18 overs since our last wicket

[Brodlach]

That Starc catch given not out is one of the most ridiculous things I’ve seen at the cricket

[RB]

Yep, just saw it. It seems that they've just invented a new rule. Makes you wonder how many catches at every level of the game over the last 200 years were, according to this new standard, not out.

[stan]

Interesting call for that to be not out, it keeps the game alive now.

We really need to make sure we use the morning conditions to get one of these 2 now. Stokes had to knuckle in rather than Bazballing it due to what he has come in at.

Cummins and Starc produced some good old fashioned fast bowling. You Bazz all you like but a 140km nut at the stumps on a deck that's starting to go a but funny will bring you undone.

I just hope we can clean this up quickly and get the win.

[am Bays]

Under the current laws it’s not a fair catch as Starc wasnt in control of his movement.

MCC Law 33.3 Making a catch

The act of making a catch shall start from the time when the ball first comes into contact with a fielder’s person and shall end when a fielder obtains complete control over both the ball and his/her own movement.

However I believe this law is flawed in much the same way a batsman used to be out if after making his ground (completed his run) no part of his body or bat was grounded behind the crease. WTF?? He’s made his ground and now he’s out??

Law 33.3 should be changed to remove the wording “and his/her own movement” as a catch should all be about controlling the ball.

To paraphrase the best current and most insightful commentator on cricket, Ian Chappell, don’t blame the umpire on this, blame the administrators.

This make it easier for umpires as they don’t have to worry about interpreting if the fielder is in control of his movement which he can technically be biomechanically as he manages his deceleration.

[RB]

Under the current laws it’s not a fair catch as Starc wasnt in control of his movement.

I'm not convinced that he wasn't in control of his movement. Since when did sliding mean you weren't in control? Especially since, when you've got 4 points of contact on the ground, it's not as if you've got anywhere to fall.

[Brodlach]

Only person in the world who thought that was not out was the third umpire

[am Bays]

Under the current laws it’s not a fair catch as Starc wasnt in control of his movement.

I'm not convinced that he wasn't in control of his movement. Since when did sliding mean you weren't in control? Especially since, when you've got 4 points of contact on the ground, it's not as if you've got anywhere to fall.

I don’t disagree with that hence why I believe the law should be changed to remove that grey area.

It should all be about completing the catch and controlling the ball, IMO.

[Hector]

Did the ball touch the ground? Yes.
Did Starc have complete control of the catch before the ball touched the ground? Yes.
The ball touched the ground because Starc was protecting himself from injury in the slide. Some players have control for less time before they chuck it in the air.

[Brodlach]

Kevin Pieterson theory that Lyon only batted to get hit in the head so they could get a substitute.

Hey Wanker, heard of Phil Hughes? A friend to these blokes. Show some respect you dickhead.

[The Dark Knight]

Mitchell Starc now has 315 test wickets moving past Mitchell Johnson (313) into Australia's top five test wicket takers.

[The Dark Knight]

Kevin Pieterson theory that Lyon only batted to get hit in the head so they could get a substitute.

Hey Wanker, heard of Phil Hughes? A friend to these blokes. Show some respect you dickhead.

Nathan Lyon's response to Pieterson's comments.
https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/cr ... 89a8e56940

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[The Dark Knight]

To paraphrase the best current and most insightful commentator on cricket, Ian Chappell

Is it necessary to add that into your post? Lol

[FlyingHigh]

Did the ball touch the ground? Yes.
Did Starc have complete control of the catch before the ball touched the ground? Yes.
The ball touched the ground because Starc was protecting himself from injury in the slide. Some players have control for less time before they chuck it in the air.

Excellent point, we often see cricketers injure their shoulders, and doesn't that prove he was in control of his body?

[FlyingHigh]

Kevin Pieterson theory that Lyon only batted to get hit in the head so they could get a substitute.

Hey Wanker, heard of Phil Hughes? A friend to these blokes. Show some respect you dickhead.

Nathan Lyon's response to Pieterson's comments.
https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/cr ... 89a8e56940

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I think Pietersen is being taken out of context and only talked about it as a hypothetical.
And the fact it was even in anyone's mind is because of the bullsh!t England were serving up and were allowed to get away with.

[Brodlach]

Kevin Pieterson theory that Lyon only batted to get hit in the head so they could get a substitute.

Hey Wanker, heard of Phil Hughes? A friend to these blokes. Show some respect you dickhead.

Nathan Lyon's response to Pieterson's comments.
https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/cr ... 89a8e56940

Screenshot_20230702_090857_The Advertiser.jpg

I think Pietersen is being taken out of context and only talked about it as a hypothetical.
And the fact it was even in anyone's mind is because of the bullsh!t England were serving up and were allowed to get away with.

Hypothetical or not it doesn’t need to be said. Period!

[FlyingHigh]

Apart from the decision being horsesh!t, the question I have is about the involvement of the third umpire. Do they check all catches, are they allowed to get involved of their own volition, or do they have to be reviewed to by the on-field umpires? I always thought it was the latter, and did it happen in this case?

But Australia messed up in that last hour of play by going back completely to that short ball stuff to Dunkett. 4-down for bugger all, why not really attack him with some quick bowling at the top of off and 2 slips and 2 gullies. See whether he really is Test Match material.

And can you imagine some of players in the past putting up with that short pitch stuff for so long (98% in the middle session) and not firing back at the Poms or making some sort of point - "how about bowling it at the ******* stumps" etc etc -like when Chappelli pulled the off stump and banged it in on the edge of pitch coz of deliberate wide bowling.