AFL Round 18

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woodublieve12 wrote:Games cooked because Cameron got off, but according to you Heeney deserved a game

Heeney got done because you can't swing an arm ( like the Gaff gaff).
To me there was a tangle of legs, Cameron seemed to get pulled forward.

Bedfords 3 stays......wow do you just let him go?
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The condition of the grounds is the biggest factor here that no one is talking about. The are basically playing on concrete these days, i couldnt believe the Adelaide oval surface when i got the chance to play on it a few years ago. It doesnt look or feel real at all.

It would be interesting to look at concussions from contact with the ground by venues. Compare the once or twice a year grounds to the every week grounds.
To do this effectively maybe we would have to look at concussions at SANFL, VFL and WAFL from contact with the ground. I feel as though its a rare occurrence in the SANFL with the softer grounds
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Flying high bought up ground conditions on the previous page.
And it has to be a factor.
Optus has had a bunch of complaints.
The scg looked flint hard on the weekend.
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Tribunal regarding the Davies bump "We have viewed the training videos and have no difficulty in accepting that what is shown is good technique for gathering a ground ball." Have to laugh, so because Jones is using a bad technique you cant use a good technique that has been trained... I thought it was worth 4+ but this reasoning makes me scratch my head.


Charlie Cameron
"Reasons:
We find that in tackling his opponent in the way he did, Cameron engaged in rough conduct.
Almost immediately after Duggan picked up the ball, Cameron ran to Duggan and wrapped his arms around him in a tackle.
He had both of Duggan's arms pinned and the ball was locked in between them."


THEN BLOW THE WHISTLE UMPIRE CASE CLOSED


Toby Bedford
"A reasonable player would have realised Taranto was in a vulnerable position and was being driven into the ground with force, and that Toronto's head may well hit the ground with force.
A reasonable player would have released at least one of Taronto's arms to enable him to attempt to brace for impact."

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There is a clear agenda to protect the head at all costs to the game. Why don't the AFL come out and say that. Stop treating us like fools.
In saying that, how on earth that sniper from Gold Coast only got one week is beyond baffling for the same reason I just said above.

Seems one week they punish the act, then the next week they punish the outcome.
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One week for an elbow to the head.
Not a football act and the injury could've been a lot worse.

If that's not worse than Bedfords or Cameron's I'll eat my hat.

As far as protecting the head, they have to take into account accidental contact or blokes are not going to attack the footy or apply a tackle.
I've already seen 2 blokes running at a 50/50 ball and they both pull up and look at each other.

I along with many enjoy the physicality of the game.
Its slowly being degraded to the Irish game.
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They have gotten to the point where players are only safe from suspension when they attack the ball without protecting themselves. If they don't protect themselves they won't get rubbed out but risk a concussion or worse. If they do protect themselves they risk a lengthy holiday.

For mine Cameron seemed to get pulled over onto Duggan by Duggan trying to wrestle his way out of the tackle. That exact tackle on someone who doesn't have a history of head knocks is probably in next years training video.

Agree though if the umpire blew his whistle as soon as he was wrapped up then this isn't an issue. It was either enough prior or it wasn't. Ball it up or ping him.
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Zelezny Chucks wrote:They have gotten to the point where players are only safe from suspension when they attack the ball without protecting themselves. If they don't protect themselves they won't get rubbed out but risk a concussion or worse. If they do protect themselves they risk a lengthy holiday.

For mine Cameron seemed to get pulled over onto Duggan by Duggan trying to wrestle his way out of the tackle. That exact tackle on someone who doesn't have a history of head knocks is probably in next years training video.

Agree though if the umpire blew his whistle as soon as he was wrapped up then this isn't an issue. It was either enough prior or it wasn't. Ball it up or ping him.


Have a look at Duggans leg position just prior. He's pulling Cameron on top of himself.
Cameron's right elbow accidentally contacts him on the side of the head as he gets off him. I reckon Duggan has felt that more than the head hitting the deck.
The controlling umpire should have blown the whistle a lot earlier you are correct.
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tigerpie wrote:
Zelezny Chucks wrote:They have gotten to the point where players are only safe from suspension when they attack the ball without protecting themselves. If they don't protect themselves they won't get rubbed out but risk a concussion or worse. If they do protect themselves they risk a lengthy holiday.

For mine Cameron seemed to get pulled over onto Duggan by Duggan trying to wrestle his way out of the tackle. That exact tackle on someone who doesn't have a history of head knocks is probably in next years training video.

Agree though if the umpire blew his whistle as soon as he was wrapped up then this isn't an issue. It was either enough prior or it wasn't. Ball it up or ping him.


Have a look at Duggans leg position just prior. He's pulling Cameron on top of himself.
Cameron's right elbow accidentally contacts him on the side of the head as he gets off him. I reckon Duggan has felt that more than the head hitting the deck.
The controlling umpire should have blown the whistle a lot earlier you are correct.


I thought he grabbed the back of his head immediately after impact, I thought Charlie may be in a bit of trouble but was hoping otherwise, it was an unfortunate incident and a one motion tackle.

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Cameron and Bedford off to the appeals tribunual
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Lightning McQueen wrote:
tigerpie wrote:
Zelezny Chucks wrote:They have gotten to the point where players are only safe from suspension when they attack the ball without protecting themselves. If they don't protect themselves they won't get rubbed out but risk a concussion or worse. If they do protect themselves they risk a lengthy holiday.

For mine Cameron seemed to get pulled over onto Duggan by Duggan trying to wrestle his way out of the tackle. That exact tackle on someone who doesn't have a history of head knocks is probably in next years training video.

Agree though if the umpire blew his whistle as soon as he was wrapped up then this isn't an issue. It was either enough prior or it wasn't. Ball it up or ping him.


Have a look at Duggans leg position just prior. He's pulling Cameron on top of himself.
Cameron's right elbow accidentally contacts him on the side of the head as he gets off him. I reckon Duggan has felt that more than the head hitting the deck.
The controlling umpire should have blown the whistle a lot earlier you are correct.


I thought he grabbed the back of his head immediately after impact, I thought Charlie may be in a bit of trouble but was hoping otherwise, it was an unfortunate incident and a one motion tackle.

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Charlie got off, free to play.
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PatowalongaPirate wrote:Charlie got off, free to play.


Should never have been cited.

Seriously, you can't make this shit up.

If Bedford get's off on appeal, watch the AFL say ... our tribunal process is fine, nothing to change or see here. :roll:
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dedja wrote:
PatowalongaPirate wrote:Charlie got off, free to play.


Should never have been cited.

Seriously, you can't make this shit up.

If Bedford get's off on appeal, watch the AFL say ... our tribunal process is fine, nothing to change or see here. :roll:


Bedford also free to play, both decisions have nothing to do with the tackle but an error in the law at the tribunal evidently
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locky801 wrote:
dedja wrote:
PatowalongaPirate wrote:Charlie got off, free to play.


Should never have been cited.

Seriously, you can't make this shit up.

If Bedford get's off on appeal, watch the AFL say ... our tribunal process is fine, nothing to change or see here. :roll:


Bedford also free to play, both decisions have nothing to do with the tackle but an error in the law at the tribunal evidently


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The Redbacks are better run than the AFL
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Camry's a sneaky chance tonight?
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Vamos wrote:Camry's a sneaky chance tonight?


Ask the oracle Jim05...
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Vamos wrote:Camry's a sneaky chance tonight?

Definitely, Essendon aren’t going that well.
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am Bays wrote:
Vamos wrote:Camry's a sneaky chance tonight?


Ask the oracle Jim05...


I'm hoping he chimes in, make or break joker round this week. As Spargo said, apart from the Pies game, the Bombers aren't going too well.
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